Anonymous wrote:Flights can get delayed, miss flight connections (stuff happens), of so he might not even get back for the first day of school.
Also, it's pretty poor behavior to go incommunicado after informing the parents of this change in plans.

Who gives a shit?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. The GF parents give her free-rein with no restrictions at all. They wouldn't care if she was with my son alone for the entire summer.

Imagine that in Europe they think an 18year old, adult, can manage their time. Maybe thats why the average 15 year old in Europe has the maturity level of the average 23 year old American. you said "alone with my son" like you think they arent having sex already.

OH BS! I'd love to know the imaginary Europeans you DCUMERS claim to know. I assure you 15 yo Eutopean kids are not more mature than 23 yo American kids. I can also assure European kids don't do whatever the hell they feel like in regards to home life and their parents.

The post isnt far off. I see absolute stupidity out of recent college grads often. For example, a full grown23-year-old woman blaming her coworkers, who don't even live with her for not making sure she was awake and at work on time for an important meeting. A 22ish-year-old man saying it was not fair he has to stay late to finish work he didn't, he had plans to go out with friends.

So you know two examples of clueless American young adults and that translates to all 20 something American adults and European teens being more mature?

As I said , you and the "sophisticated Euro" DCUM crowd are clueless.

Correction I cited two, I dont "know two". Look at teen pregnancy rates, drug abuse, alcohol related deaths the list goes on and on, US teens and young adults surpass European teens and young adults in virtually every negative category....maturity at work. No one said "sophisticated" did they? Nice job trying at defining a position no one took. Sad you're in denial that the helicopter, boogie man is waiting behind every corner to snatch your baby partening technic is so typical. Fact of the matter is in Europe kids arent babied into young adulthood, OP case in point. She is just one of the legion of partents that think their young adult is a child compared to Europe where it is very common to trust their decsion making and not treat them like little children.

NP here and leave OP out of your insane argument! She already admitted that she was angry because she misses her son. She raised a top student, student leader who is up for merit and NEED BASED scholarships for college and has worked since he was 14 and paid for this trip himself by working hard this summer and getting an A in a college class. She did not stand in the way of her son going to Sweden with his girlfriend and just worries about him and misses him.

BTW, this is not about red-shirting either!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think 18 is a magical age at which you get to do whatever you want, especially while still in HS and living at home.

Not sure what you do, OP, but I would be furious too. And not just at lack of control - at the demonstrated lack of maturity and courtesy.

Actually, it is a magical age where your are legally entitled to do what you want within the confines of the law. "Lack of control" he is a MAN , not a boy you arent going to control him like he was 10. Maturity, he bought his own ticket and arranged to be back for school, nothing at all indicates a "lack of maturity". Lack of courtesy, maybe he most likely knew they would not be happy. You views are probably why the US has the most immature, helpless childlike young adults on earth. Really they are typically 5-10 years behind European kids in maturity and ability to fend for themselves.

It's painfully, obvious you have no idea what you are talking about, but you think you sound clever with your European tripe.

Yes, stating a fact of law is an indicator someone has no idea of what they are talking about. As is citing a position, he showed maturity, followed by a basis for the position, he bought paid for and planned his own trip. Tripe, wow you sound smart. It almost distracts me from the fact that you make no point what so ever. I mean you try, that little lonely brain cell is peddling away to come up with ad hominem attacks. You do get star sticker for the word tripe, I bet your helicopter mommy will be proud of you.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. The GF parents give her free-rein with no restrictions at all. They wouldn't care if she was with my son alone for the entire summer.

Imagine that in Europe they think an 18year old, adult, can manage their time. Maybe thats why the average 15 year old in Europe has the maturity level of the average 23 year old American. you said "alone with my son" like you think they arent having sex already.

OH BS! I'd love to know the imaginary Europeans you DCUMERS claim to know. I assure you 15 yo Eutopean kids are not more mature than 23 yo American kids. I can also assure European kids don't do whatever the hell they feel like in regards to home life and their parents.

The post isnt far off. I see absolute stupidity out of recent college grads often. For example, a full grown23-year-old woman blaming her coworkers, who don't even live with her for not making sure she was awake and at work on time for an important meeting. A 22ish-year-old man saying it was not fair he has to stay late to finish work he didn't, he had plans to go out with friends.

So you know two examples of clueless American young adults and that translates to all 20 something American adults and European teens being more mature?

As I said , you and the "sophisticated Euro" DCUM crowd are clueless.

Correction I cited two, I dont "know two". Look at teen pregnancy rates, drug abuse, alcohol related deaths the list goes on and on, US teens and young adults surpass European teens and young adults in virtually every negative category....maturity at work. No one said "sophisticated" did they? Nice job trying at defining a position no one took. Sad you're in denial that the helicopter, boogie man is waiting behind every corner to snatch your baby partening technic is so typical. Fact of the matter is in Europe kids arent babied into young adulthood, OP case in point. She is just one of the legion of partents that think their young adult is a child compared to Europe where it is very common to trust their decsion making and not treat them like little children.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you call the gf's parents to at least find out where they're going and if they'll have adults with them?

Not sure what you can do about it at this point tbh, but he's definitely taught you that he can't be trusted with that level of freedom.

He is an adult.

This is one of those things that people don't think about when they redshirt.

Agree with PP, he is an adult now, so you now have less control over his decisions. He paid for his own ticket and is having a great time, so let him enjoy it even if he has jet lag for a few days. Please though, PP, do not drag the redshirt bashing into this thread. Plenty of people have valid reasons for doing so and it is not up to you to judge.

Anonymous wrote:Are the people in this thread calling him "an adult" trolling? He's a high school senior who lives at home.

He's going to come home after a summer of freedom and walk all over his parents, then this "adult" is going to say you owe me $120,000-280,000 for my college and don't forget to keep me insured, maybe let me take a car to college, pay that auto insurance, and keep my debit card at +$500.

Some "adult".

OP already said he will get a merit/need scholarship. He has been working since he was 14 and paid for this trip by working all summer while acing a college class.

Doesn't sound like the typical Beltway Brat to me.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. The GF parents give her free-rein with no restrictions at all. They wouldn't care if she was with my son alone for the entire summer.

Imagine that in Europe they think an 18year old, adult, can manage their time. Maybe thats why the average 15 year old in Europe has the maturity level of the average 23 year old American. you said "alone with my son" like you think they arent having sex already.

OH BS! I'd love to know the imaginary Europeans you DCUMERS claim to know. I assure you 15 yo Eutopean kids are not more mature than 23 yo American kids. I can also assure European kids don't do whatever the hell they feel like in regards to home life and their parents.

I lived in Germany, Holland, and Belgium for over 10 years and return often. I can say with 100% certainty, the average European teenager is far more responsible and mature than the average US teenager and even many young adults. Largely due to over coddling and babying, like OP attempted to justify with jet-lag bs. No one said European teenagers do "what ever the hell they feel like", the point is they are trusted enough to and ALLOWED to do things without mommy and daddy imagining their little baby is lost and alone without them. Scared the boogie man will get them.
Dont get so butthurt. The defensiveness tells me you have one of those kids that will be a child until they are 26.

You lived in 3 countries and vacation there and are now an expert on European family dynamics. Hahaha.
Your faulty reasoning might be why some American kids struggle, they have dumbasses like you for a parent.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think 18 is a magical age at which you get to do whatever you want, especially while still in HS and living at home.

Not sure what you do, OP, but I would be furious too. And not just at lack of control - at the demonstrated lack of maturity and courtesy.

Actually, it is a magical age where your are legally entitled to do what you want within the confines of the law. "Lack of control" he is a MAN , not a boy you arent going to control him like he was 10. Maturity, he bought his own ticket and arranged to be back for school, nothing at all indicates a "lack of maturity". Lack of courtesy, maybe he most likely knew they would not be happy. You views are probably why the US has the most immature, helpless childlike young adults on earth. Really they are typically 5-10 years behind European kids in maturity and ability to fend for themselves.

It's painfully, obvious you have no idea what you are talking about, but you think you sound clever with your European tripe.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. The GF parents give her free-rein with no restrictions at all. They wouldn't care if she was with my son alone for the entire summer.

Imagine that in Europe they think an 18year old, adult, can manage their time. Maybe thats why the average 15 year old in Europe has the maturity level of the average 23 year old American. you said "alone with my son" like you think they arent having sex already.

OH BS! I'd love to know the imaginary Europeans you DCUMERS claim to know. I assure you 15 yo Eutopean kids are not more mature than 23 yo American kids. I can also assure European kids don't do whatever the hell they feel like in regards to home life and their parents.

The post isnt far off. I see absolute stupidity out of recent college grads often. For example, a full grown23-year-old woman blaming her coworkers, who don't even live with her for not making sure she was awake and at work on time for an important meeting. A 22ish-year-old man saying it was not fair he has to stay late to finish work he didn't, he had plans to go out with friends.

So you know two examples of clueless American young adults and that translates to all 20 something American adults and European teens being more mature?

As I said , you and the "sophisticated Euro" DCUM crowd are clueless.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. The GF parents give her free-rein with no restrictions at all. They wouldn't care if she was with my son alone for the entire summer.

Imagine that in Europe they think an 18year old, adult, can manage their time. Maybe thats why the average 15 year old in Europe has the maturity level of the average 23 year old American. you said "alone with my son" like you think they arent having sex already.

OH BS! I'd love to know the imaginary Europeans you DCUMERS claim to know. I assure you 15 yo Eutopean kids are not more mature than 23 yo American kids. I can also assure European kids don't do whatever the hell they feel like in regards to home life and their parents.

The post isnt far off. I see absolute stupidity out of recent college grads often. For example, a full grown23-year-old woman blaming her coworkers, who don't even live with her for not making sure she was awake and at work on time for an important meeting. A 22ish-year-old man saying it was not fair he has to stay late to finish work he didn't, he had plans to go out with friends.

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe you let him go to Sweden . I can't believe he was invited. It sounds more like he's a married 28 year old going to visit his wife's family then a teen who is about to start his senior year of high school.

I hope you approve of his girlfriend and her family because he and his girlfriend are probably a lot more serious now, I wouldn't be surprised if they talked about getting married after college.

He is 18 freaking years old, not 8. Its Sweden, not Somalia. And so what if they are "talked about getting married after college"? Not likely, but so what? Will he be a baby at 23 years old still needing to report mommy?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. The GF parents give her free-rein with no restrictions at all. They wouldn't care if she was with my son alone for the entire summer.

Imagine that in Europe they think an 18year old, adult, can manage their time. Maybe thats why the average 15 year old in Europe has the maturity level of the average 23 year old American. you said "alone with my son" like you think they arent having sex already.

OH BS! I'd love to know the imaginary Europeans you DCUMERS claim to know. I assure you 15 yo Eutopean kids are not more mature than 23 yo American kids. I can also assure European kids don't do whatever the hell they feel like in regards to home life and their parents.

I lived in Germany, Holland, and Belgium for over 10 years and return often. I can say with 100% certainty, the average European teenager is far more responsible and mature than the average US teenager and even many young adults. Largely due to over coddling and babying, like OP attempted to justify with jet-lag bs. No one said European teenagers do "what ever the hell they feel like", the point is they are trusted enough to and ALLOWED to do things without mommy and daddy imagining their little baby is lost and alone without them. Scared the boogie man will get them.
Dont get so butthurt. The defensiveness tells me you have one of those kids that will be a child until they are 26.

Flights can get delayed, miss flight connections (stuff happens), of so he might not even get back for the first day of school.
Also, it's pretty poor behavior to go incommunicado after informing the parents of this change in plans.

Your son sounds like a good kid. He is 18, earning his own money, president of his class. Sounds like he is very mature and not as dependant on you as a typical 18 year old. He is also a year older than a typical high school senior. He may regret getting back so late if there are delays, but it will all be on him.

Anonymous wrote:From the OP's responses, it seems like she would have given her son and okay for extending his trip if he had the common courtesy to speak them. He chose
to TEXT his parents and then be unavailable for communication. He knew exactly what he was doing-they had no choice but to accept his travel changes. To the DCUMers who think this is normal 18 year old/adult behavior, then you will be fine when your DH pulls this on you.

She had no objection other than"missing him" the school, jet-lag and other excuses were nonsense. She and DH are controlling and he was smart enough to know it.