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If you are talking about 11, 12, 13 year olds who still haven't figured out whether they are boys or girls, and you can't see what a problem that is, then you have your head completely in the sand. Most of us figure that out by the age of 2 or so.

Most of us do. And some of us don't. Different people are different people who have different experiences. (DCUM always has troubles with this concept.)

More to the point, how does it harm you? Having to acknowledge that there are different people who have different experiences does not constitute harm. Neither does having to acknowledge that different people understand the world differently. And, really, if somebody wants you to use a particular pronoun/name for them, but you want to use a different one, then there's nothing stopping you from doing that. Including my opinion that it's rude.

It's harming me greatly because it is harming society. More to the point it's harming my kids to have to put up with this BS at school, when they should be learning about, you know, physics or chemistry. I agree that it is harming most of all the poor kids who do not have parents with the sense to see the danger on this.

You are not convincing. It's not harming society. Rather, society previously was harming people who identify this way.

Why don't you give Joe Straus a call and solicit his views on this. You'll like him -- he's the Republican Speaker of the Texas House of Representatives.

This isn't about you and your backwards, twisted and invalid views, OP. Either get with the program or get out of my country. You're not welcome here anymore.

Wow. I would say the same thing up you but I'm a lot nicer person than you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Listen the incidence of transgender is like less than 1%. The amount of energy being spent on this is just ridiculous.

Transgender =/= Gender non-binary or gender non-conforming. The students this discussion is about don't want to transition; they're just asserting that they don't fit into the feminine/masculine societal binary.

And most of them are wrong. The great, great majority of them are in the middle of the distribution. Its all nonsense. "I hate labels" - "Please call me by these labels" They/them is confusing when you are talking about a singular person. Just go about your life. Not every single person needs to know exactly how you see yourself.

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If you are talking about 11, 12, 13 year olds who still haven't figured out whether they are boys or girls, and you can't see what a problem that is, then you have your head completely in the sand. Most of us figure that out by the age of 2 or so.

Most of us do. And some of us don't. Different people are different people who have different experiences. (DCUM always has troubles with this concept.)

More to the point, how does it harm you? Having to acknowledge that there are different people who have different experiences does not constitute harm. Neither does having to acknowledge that different people understand the world differently. And, really, if somebody wants you to use a particular pronoun/name for them, but you want to use a different one, then there's nothing stopping you from doing that. Including my opinion that it's rude.

It's harming me greatly because it is harming society. More to the point it's harming my kids to have to put up with this BS at school, when they should be learning about, you know, physics or chemistry. I agree that it is harming most of all the poor kids who do not have parents with the sense to see the danger on this.

No, it doesn't work that way. Or, if it does, then I could equally well say that your opinions personally harm me, because they harm society. And then what?

Meanwhile, if you don't want your children to encounter fellow students who have beliefs about gender you don't share, then I suggest you enroll your children in a private school that reflects your beliefs about gender, or homeschool your children.

Or perhaps you could keep your liberal views in your own home and among your own social groups and not bring it into the public schools that my tax dollars pay for, you DON'T own the public school system an neither do your personal views.

Uh, no. There are more of us than there are of you. Go back to your cave or join ISIS or the Taliban or something.

Uh, no there are not as evidenced by the fight back in this country in the last election. Uh, your side lost, got it? Deal with the fact that your world view is f d up.

Uh, maybe you didn't check the popular vote that proves without a doubt that there are more of us than there are of you. And if there was a revote today, that delta would be even higher.

Anonymous wrote:Listen the incidence of transgender is like less than 1%. The amount of energy being spent on this is just ridiculous.

Transgender =/= Gender non-binary or gender non-conforming. The students this discussion is about don't want to transition; they're just asserting that they don't fit into the feminine/masculine societal binary.

Listen the incidence of transgender is like less than 1%. The amount of energy being spent on this is just ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:There are only 3 genders...male, female, and mental illness.

If you want to live your life like that, then you should live your life like that. However, I hope that you will be polite to everybody. Also, please be aware that, if you are rude to people for being their gender wrong (according to you), there are plenty of people who will have a low opinion of you as a consequence.

Only people who haven't taken a biology class. There are only men and women. Men have a penis and women have a vagina. PERIOD

The fact that so- called grown, mature adults have to be reminded of this is staggering.

Do you deny that intersex people exist?

What about people who had penises, but lost them due to medical incidents or accidents, even combat? They don't have vaginas? Isn't what's in your head important?

Humans are bipedal. Individual people can lose their legs in an accident. They can be born without legs. They might feel like they shouldn't have two legs. That doesn't change the fact that humans are bipedal.

The same happens with sex. Individual humans can be born intersex. They might be hurt in an accident. They might even feel like they shouldn't be a particular sex. It doesn't change the basic biological facts.

I don't care what someone's gender presentation is. A girl in pants is a girl. A boy in a dress is a boy. A girl should be able to wear pants. A boy should be able to wear a dress. A boy wants to be called Larla or a girl wants to be called Larlo, I don't care.

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly, I am horrified by this. Where are these kids' parents, and why are schools allowing this?

Again, ignorance abounds. If gender nonconforming youth or transgender youth are not affirmed and supported by their parents and schools, they have sky-high rates of depression and suicide.

The fact that all these kids are gender confused is scary. Nothing ignorant about that. What is going on in society where so many kids don't know who they are and arent comfoetable in their own skin. Of course, these kids are at a high risk for depression and suicide. I would be ashamed of myself if my children do not know who they are. And this has nothing to do with trends. It has to do with emotional instability. It's sad.

The majority of these students aren't gender confused--in fact, they're very comfortable in their own skin, which includes being comfortable with asserting the fact that they don't live in a culturally-mandated binary. I wish it had been so easy for me to assert myself in my early teens!

Easy? How can you say any of this is easy for anyone?

Clearly it's not easy on you. But you are not everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly, I am horrified by this. Where are these kids' parents, and why are schools allowing this?

Again, ignorance abounds. If gender nonconforming youth or transgender youth are not affirmed and supported by their parents and schools, they have sky-high rates of depression and suicide.

The fact that all these kids are gender confused is scary. Nothing ignorant about that. What is going on in society where so many kids don't know who they are and arent comfoetable in their own skin. Of course, these kids are at a high risk for depression and suicide. I would be ashamed of myself if my children do not know who they are. And this has nothing to do with trends. It has to do with emotional instability. It's sad.

The majority of these students aren't gender confused--in fact, they're very comfortable in their own skin, which includes being comfortable with asserting the fact that they don't live in a culturally-mandated binary. I wish it had been so easy for me to assert myself in my early teens!

Easy? How can you say any of this is easy for anyone?

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I agree. We can't be supportive of every crazy idea our kids come up with. This whole tran movement is scary and fucked up. I would never allow my children to be rude to anyone but I when the time comes, i will teach them that children like this are confused and to not get too close to them. There is a lot of imitation happening at that age and I wouldn't want my kids to be influenced . Sorry if i offended anyone, but thia is more like a drug problem than a kid getting a tattoo.

OK. As long as your children aren't rude to anyone. You can tell your children whatever you want. Of course, your children will grow up and form their own opinions. Those opinions might be the same as yours, or they might be different.

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If you are talking about 11, 12, 13 year olds who still haven't figured out whether they are boys or girls, and you can't see what a problem that is, then you have your head completely in the sand. Most of us figure that out by the age of 2 or so.

Most of us do. And some of us don't. Different people are different people who have different experiences. (DCUM always has troubles with this concept.)

More to the point, how does it harm you? Having to acknowledge that there are different people who have different experiences does not constitute harm. Neither does having to acknowledge that different people understand the world differently. And, really, if somebody wants you to use a particular pronoun/name for them, but you want to use a different one, then there's nothing stopping you from doing that. Including my opinion that it's rude.

It's harming me greatly because it is harming society. More to the point it's harming my kids to have to put up with this BS at school, when they should be learning about, you know, physics or chemistry. I agree that it is harming most of all the poor kids who do not have parents with the sense to see the danger on this.

I agree. We can't be supportive of every crazy idea our kids come up with. This whole tran movement is scary and fucked up. I would never allow my children to be rude to anyone but I when the time comes, i will teach them that children like this are confused and to not get too close to them. There is a lot of imitation happening at that age and I wouldn't want my kids to be influenced . Sorry if i offended anyone, but thia is more like a drug problem than a kid getting a tattoo.

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly, I am horrified by this. Where are these kids' parents, and why are schools allowing this?

Again, ignorance abounds. If gender nonconforming youth or transgender youth are not affirmed and supported by their parents and schools, they have sky-high rates of depression and suicide.

The fact that all these kids are gender confused is scary. Nothing ignorant about that. What is going on in society where so many kids don't know who they are and arent comfoetable in their own skin. Of course, these kids are at a high risk for depression and suicide. I would be ashamed of myself if my children do not know who they are. And this has nothing to do with trends. It has to do with emotional instability. It's sad.

The majority of these students aren't gender confused--in fact, they're very comfortable in their own skin, which includes being comfortable with asserting the fact that they don't live in a culturally-mandated binary. I wish it had been so easy for me to assert myself in my early teens!

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly, I am horrified by this. Where are these kids' parents, and why are schools allowing this?

Again, ignorance abounds. If gender nonconforming youth or transgender youth are not affirmed and supported by their parents and schools, they have sky-high rates of depression and suicide.

The fact that all these kids are gender confused is scary. Nothing ignorant about that. What is going on in society where so many kids don't know who they are and arent comfoetable in their own skin. Of course, these kids are at a high risk for depression and suicide. I would be ashamed of myself if my children do not know who they are. And this has nothing to do with trends. It has to do with emotional instability. It's sad.

Eh. I'm not scared. They'll figure it out.

What will you do, though, when some of them figure out that being outside the gender binary is part of who they are -- part of their being comfortable in their own skin?

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Anonymous wrote:There are only 3 genders...male, female, and mental illness.

If you want to live your life like that, then you should live your life like that. However, I hope that you will be polite to everybody. Also, please be aware that, if you are rude to people for being their gender wrong (according to you), there are plenty of people who will have a low opinion of you as a consequence.

Only people who haven't taken a biology class. There are only men and women. Men have a penis and women have a vagina. PERIOD

That's biological sex. Sex and gender are different things, regardless of people talking about their fetus's "gender." (They mean "sex." It's just weird for some people to use the word "sex" when referring to a fetus.)

No, they are not. If you had any inkling of real science beyond about 7th grade, you might have some recognition of how idiotic you sound

Hm, what's your scientific background? While I don't have a ton of formal scientific education past high school--where I did take AP bio, chem, and physics--I do have some college-level scientific education, and I make a point to read research on my own.

Here's a paper from the APA outlining the definitions of terms we've been using in this discussion, including sex ("a person’s biological status and is typically categorized as male, female, or intersex (i.e., atypical combinations of features that usually distinguish male from female). There are a number of indicators of biological sex, including sex chromosomes, gonads, internal reproductive organs, and external genitalia.") and gender ("the attitudes, feelings, and behaviors that a given culture associates with a person’s biological sex. Behavior that is compatible with cultural expectations is referred to as gender-normative; behaviors that are viewed as incompatible with these expectations constitute gender non-conformity.")
https://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexuality-definitions.pdf

In addition, there are people who are born with different chromosomes than XX and XY. For example, here's a website about Klinefelter Syndrome, one sex chromosomal abnormality: https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/klinefelter-syndrome

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly, I am horrified by this. Where are these kids' parents, and why are schools allowing this?

Again, ignorance abounds. If gender nonconforming youth or transgender youth are not affirmed and supported by their parents and schools, they have sky-high rates of depression and suicide.

The fact that all these kids are gender confused is scary. Nothing ignorant about that. What is going on in society where so many kids don't know who they are and arent comfoetable in their own skin. Of course, these kids are at a high risk for depression and suicide. I would be ashamed of myself if my children do not know who they are. And this has nothing to do with trends. It has to do with emotional instability. It's sad.

Anonymous wrote:Kids "try on" lots of behaviors as a normal part of growing up. This is a fairly new one, certain to alarm the adults within their sphere. I "tried on" dressing and acting like a boy briefly in high school, long before it was popular. I also tried on Jesus freak, armband wearing revolutionary and apathetic intellectual before finally settling for myself.
I don't think trans identity should be treated with any meds, etc. before 21.

I think you are conflating issues here. Genderqueer or nonbinary or whatever kids rarely seek out hormonal treatment. They are just experimenting with their gender expression and identity.

Trans kids, though? If you wait until 21, you are pretty much screwing them over. By then, puberty will have permanently changed their facial structure, voice, and bodies. For those few kids who really need it, drugs to suppress puberty are probably the best option. It keeps the door open to them changing their mind later, or not.