Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 17:24     Subject: Re:The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
If you're a woman who "married down" how did it affect the culture your children grew up with? Are they also Ls/Gs? What is your culture at home?
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 17:20     Subject: Re:The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
I come from a E family and am married to a G from an L1 family.

The differences in our outlook on money, culture, education is STRIKING.

If I could do it again, I would marry another E or a solid G with a G family.

Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 16:36     Subject: The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Im still reeling from the fact that there are people who fall outside of E1-E4. Where do they live?


Who do you think the people are who fix your car, your plumbing, mow your lawns, do childcare, etc. Or do you just not consider them to be real "people"?


Oh, I see. But why are we talking about them?
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 16:27     Subject: The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So were would a public school teacher and a s##tlaw bank trust lawyer with degrees from rural low ranked state universities and working in rural southern countries rank. I feel G2 fits definition but is poorly matched to G2 front wake Forest working as a govt lawyer in DC? So which do I have wrong?


Shitlaw would be a G3 job -- you do it just for the money.

Gov't Law might be G2....picking something for enjoyment, not just money.

Public school teacher, also G2. They chose a career for satisfaction.


Interesting. An investment banker is ONLY in it for the money, let's not fool ourselves - but it is listed as Elite here??


I am thinking that people here might think it is elite, but in reality, not so much. Expect, they are really trading on connections, which is a hallmark of elite. I, on the other hand, look down on people who use connections as a commodity.

DP here. Which makes it obvious you're a member of the "Gentry". But I definitely agree with the reason that I-Bankers are Elite is that it's as much about connections as it is about money. Traders probably run more of a gamut depending on whether they are "Wolf of Wall Street" type boiler room traders or work for a more prestigious firm.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 15:47     Subject: The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So were would a public school teacher and a s##tlaw bank trust lawyer with degrees from rural low ranked state universities and working in rural southern countries rank. I feel G2 fits definition but is poorly matched to G2 front wake Forest working as a govt lawyer in DC? So which do I have wrong?


Shitlaw would be a G3 job -- you do it just for the money.

Gov't Law might be G2....picking something for enjoyment, not just money.

Public school teacher, also G2. They chose a career for satisfaction.


Interesting. An investment banker is ONLY in it for the money, let's not fool ourselves - but it is listed as Elite here??


I am thinking that people here might think it is elite, but in reality, not so much. Expect, they are really trading on connections, which is a hallmark of elite. I, on the other hand, look down on people who use connections as a commodity.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 15:44     Subject: The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So were would a public school teacher and a s##tlaw bank trust lawyer with degrees from rural low ranked state universities and working in rural southern countries rank. I feel G2 fits definition but is poorly matched to G2 front wake Forest working as a govt lawyer in DC? So which do I have wrong?


Shitlaw would be a G3 job -- you do it just for the money.

Gov't Law might be G2....picking something for enjoyment, not just money.

Public school teacher, also G2. They chose a career for satisfaction.


Public school teacher is G3. School teachers on average have the lowest SAT and GRE scores around. Few elite colleges have education departments.

Virtually anyone with a masters in education or an ED would be G3 as well.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 14:58     Subject: The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So were would a public school teacher and a s##tlaw bank trust lawyer with degrees from rural low ranked state universities and working in rural southern countries rank. I feel G2 fits definition but is poorly matched to G2 front wake Forest working as a govt lawyer in DC? So which do I have wrong?


Shitlaw would be a G3 job -- you do it just for the money.

Gov't Law might be G2....picking something for enjoyment, not just money.

Public school teacher, also G2. They chose a career for satisfaction.


Interesting. An investment banker is ONLY in it for the money, let's not fool ourselves - but it is listed as Elite here??
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 14:57     Subject: The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So were would a public school teacher and a s##tlaw bank trust lawyer with degrees from rural low ranked state universities and working in rural southern countries rank. I feel G2 fits definition but is poorly matched to G2 front wake Forest working as a govt lawyer in DC? So which do I have wrong?


Shitlaw would be a G3 job -- you do it just for the money.

Gov't Law might be G2....picking something for enjoyment, not just money.

Public school teacher, also G2. They chose a career for satisfaction.


You must not know a lot of teachers. A lot of them go into teaching b/c it pays better than almost any other jobs in rural counties and the summer vacation is a big draw. Not going into as a career with a mission; so far would say G3 for places like that.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 14:41     Subject: The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
Anonymous wrote:So were would a public school teacher and a s##tlaw bank trust lawyer with degrees from rural low ranked state universities and working in rural southern countries rank. I feel G2 fits definition but is poorly matched to G2 front wake Forest working as a govt lawyer in DC? So which do I have wrong?


Shitlaw would be a G3 job -- you do it just for the money.

Gov't Law might be G2....picking something for enjoyment, not just money.

Public school teacher, also G2. They chose a career for satisfaction.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 13:46     Subject: The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
So were would a public school teacher and a s##tlaw bank trust lawyer with degrees from rural low ranked state universities and working in rural southern countries rank. I feel G2 fits definition but is poorly matched to G2 front wake Forest working as a govt lawyer in DC? So which do I have wrong?
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 11:55     Subject: Re:The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:These cross-class tensions, especially the snobbery of the G/E, are particularly intense in the Northeast. My dad's a class migrant -- grew up on a midwestern farm, spent time in the army, went to vocational school and ended up working for a manufacturer where he worked his way up to an executive level. Because of that we grew up in an expensive "G" suburb of LA. Prior to that he and my mom lived in an NJ suburb and he hated it. He'd lived all over the country and said the snobbery and put-downs of rural people happened regularly, even from people he'd thought were friends. It was particularly bad from people who went to Ivy league schools and so he would not hire from them and would not pay for us to go to Ivys. He never experienced that degree to cross-class snobbery in other parts of the country.


My anecdote - my sister in law is a complete snob. She grew up MC and went to a crappy state school in Florida. She reinvented herself and wears Lilly or Vineyard Vines ALL. THE. TIME. She and her husband look down on everyone, but they are solidly middle class. It's disgusting.

Isn't vineyard vines completely a Gentry teen thing


They look and are indantile but grown men and women wear them.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 11:40     Subject: Re:The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:These cross-class tensions, especially the snobbery of the G/E, are particularly intense in the Northeast. My dad's a class migrant -- grew up on a midwestern farm, spent time in the army, went to vocational school and ended up working for a manufacturer where he worked his way up to an executive level. Because of that we grew up in an expensive "G" suburb of LA. Prior to that he and my mom lived in an NJ suburb and he hated it. He'd lived all over the country and said the snobbery and put-downs of rural people happened regularly, even from people he'd thought were friends. It was particularly bad from people who went to Ivy league schools and so he would not hire from them and would not pay for us to go to Ivys. He never experienced that degree to cross-class snobbery in other parts of the country.


My anecdote - my sister in law is a complete snob. She grew up MC and went to a crappy state school in Florida. She reinvented herself and wears Lilly or Vineyard Vines ALL. THE. TIME. She and her husband look down on everyone, but they are solidly middle class. It's disgusting.

Isn't vineyard vines completely a Gentry teen thing
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 11:17     Subject: Re:The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
Anonymous wrote:These cross-class tensions, especially the snobbery of the G/E, are particularly intense in the Northeast. My dad's a class migrant -- grew up on a midwestern farm, spent time in the army, went to vocational school and ended up working for a manufacturer where he worked his way up to an executive level. Because of that we grew up in an expensive "G" suburb of LA. Prior to that he and my mom lived in an NJ suburb and he hated it. He'd lived all over the country and said the snobbery and put-downs of rural people happened regularly, even from people he'd thought were friends. It was particularly bad from people who went to Ivy league schools and so he would not hire from them and would not pay for us to go to Ivys. He never experienced that degree to cross-class snobbery in other parts of the country.


My anecdote - my sister in law is a complete snob. She grew up MC and went to a crappy state school in Florida. She reinvented herself and wears Lilly or Vineyard Vines ALL. THE. TIME. She and her husband look down on everyone, but they are solidly middle class. It's disgusting.
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 11:14     Subject: Re:The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
Anonymous wrote:These cross-class tensions, especially the snobbery of the G/E, are particularly intense in the Northeast. My dad's a class migrant -- grew up on a midwestern farm, spent time in the army, went to vocational school and ended up working for a manufacturer where he worked his way up to an executive level. Because of that we grew up in an expensive "G" suburb of LA. Prior to that he and my mom lived in an NJ suburb and he hated it. He'd lived all over the country and said the snobbery and put-downs of rural people happened regularly, even from people he'd thought were friends. It was particularly bad from people who went to Ivy league schools and so he would not hire from them and would not pay for us to go to Ivys. He never experienced that degree to cross-class snobbery in other parts of the country.

That s because in California the L class is almost exclusively Latino so much more invisible and no one pays them any mind
Anonymous
Post 07/07/2017 10:53     Subject: Re:The Social Class Ladders—Labor, Gentry, and Elite
These cross-class tensions, especially the snobbery of the G/E, are particularly intense in the Northeast. My dad's a class migrant -- grew up on a midwestern farm, spent time in the army, went to vocational school and ended up working for a manufacturer where he worked his way up to an executive level. Because of that we grew up in an expensive "G" suburb of LA. Prior to that he and my mom lived in an NJ suburb and he hated it. He'd lived all over the country and said the snobbery and put-downs of rural people happened regularly, even from people he'd thought were friends. It was particularly bad from people who went to Ivy league schools and so he would not hire from them and would not pay for us to go to Ivys. He never experienced that degree to cross-class snobbery in other parts of the country.