Anonymous
04/26/2017 22:29
Subject: Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to one game but it is so boring and slow. I took a book.
-- AA woman
Similar experience here at the game I attended. In fact there didn't seem to be many people paying attention, most were sitting around drinking beer and socializing...if being buzzed is a requirement to enjoy the game that may limit the audience.
Well holy shit, football will go under.
Football is still enjoyable without alcohol.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 16:29
Subject: Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sports in the US = white coaches ordering minority players around on a field or court or whatever. Why would a Black person want to watch that??
I guess you aren't a Nats fan and know who Dusty Baker is.
if you knew anything about baseball, you know that the manager has been minimized in their power/role and it flows from the GM/front office.
dusty baker's gm is white.
Are all GMs and President of Baseball Ops white males? I cannot think of one who is not, and yes, with analytics, the FOs have substantial say. Also, as of last year, there were only four women in baseball ops and two of them are with the dodgers. There should be more diversity overall in front offices and in managing positions.
The analyst was probably referring to only vp/agm level or above and not full front office
as someone who worked in a baseball front office very briefly (the pay is atrocious and i didn't love the game enough to try to make it to GM - which is a more rare job than US senator), there are more than four women in baseball ops. orioles have one for example. so to astros, dodgers, and a few other teams.
If you mean GM/AGM level, then no. I beleive there is only one woman - Jean Afterman with the yankees, who is rumoured to potentially get the GM job if cashman isn't re-upped in the bronx.
there are gm's who are not white males - farhan zaidi is with the dodgers, but he reports to Friedman, who is president. cubs have a vp/agm that's nonwhite (shiraz rehman) but he reports to hoyer and epstein. al avila is cuban (tigers). THe guy at the marlins is black but i dont' think he'll keep his job when ownership switches to the new owners after loria. the pirates have FO staff that are not ex-players that are black. Good guys.
mlb is doing a huge push for diversity in FO's. As someoen who has been to a number of winter meetings, there are actually a lot of women (more than i thought there would be) who are interested in breaking in.
If a woman wants to break in today, my advice would be for her to go to a top school (ivy or top lac) and major in a stem subject where she gains programming skills.
Thanks. I am the PP and was basing my comment on info from an analyst from last year (or maybe the year before). Happy to hear there are more women now (or maybe the analyst was just wrong).
Anonymous
04/26/2017 13:41
Subject: Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sports in the US = white coaches ordering minority players around on a field or court or whatever. Why would a Black person want to watch that??
I guess you aren't a Nats fan and know who Dusty Baker is.
if you knew anything about baseball, you know that the manager has been minimized in their power/role and it flows from the GM/front office.
dusty baker's gm is white.
Are all GMs and President of Baseball Ops white males? I cannot think of one who is not, and yes, with analytics, the FOs have substantial say. Also, as of last year, there were only four women in baseball ops and two of them are with the dodgers. There should be more diversity overall in front offices and in managing positions.
as someone who worked in a baseball front office very briefly (the pay is atrocious and i didn't love the game enough to try to make it to GM - which is a more rare job than US senator), there are more than four women in baseball ops. orioles have one for example. so to astros, dodgers, and a few other teams.
If you mean GM/AGM level, then no. I beleive there is only one woman - Jean Afterman with the yankees, who is rumoured to potentially get the GM job if cashman isn't re-upped in the bronx.
there are gm's who are not white males - farhan zaidi is with the dodgers, but he reports to Friedman, who is president. cubs have a vp/agm that's nonwhite (shiraz rehman) but he reports to hoyer and epstein. al avila is cuban (tigers). THe guy at the marlins is black but i dont' think he'll keep his job when ownership switches to the new owners after loria. the pirates have FO staff that are not ex-players that are black. Good guys.
mlb is doing a huge push for diversity in FO's. As someoen who has been to a number of winter meetings, there are actually a lot of women (more than i thought there would be) who are interested in breaking in.
If a woman wants to break in today, my advice would be for her to go to a top school (ivy or top lac) and major in a stem subject where she gains programming skills.
Thanks. I am the PP and was basing my comment on info from an analyst from last year (or maybe the year before). Happy to hear there are more women now (or maybe the analyst was just wrong).
Anonymous
04/26/2017 10:09
Subject: Re:Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
If you're a minority and want to go to a baseball game, you should go to a baseball game.
- A Minority
- A Minority
Anonymous
04/26/2017 10:04
Subject: Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to one game but it is so boring and slow. I took a book.
-- AA woman
Similar experience here at the game I attended. In fact there didn't seem to be many people paying attention, most were sitting around drinking beer and socializing...if being buzzed is a requirement to enjoy the game that may limit the audience.
Well holy shit, football will go under.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 10:01
Subject: Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, is there a suggestion you could make to solve this
problem?
I am thinking about it. For starters, I would ramp up efforts at improving minorities' access to baseball. Diversification must happen on the field too. My extensive baseball card collection includes African American greats from the 1970s and 1980s. That needs to come back. I had not thought about the corporate outing angle. That's a tough thing to overcome. I don't know, maybe I've got issues with gentrification in general... And of course I want people to enjoy themselves.
In your world, it seems like "diversity" means "needs more African-Americans."
Despite the drop-off in participation by African-Americans, baseball is more diverse now than it has ever been: https://sabr.org/bioproj/topic/baseball-demographics-1947-2012.
Please remember that baseball as a sport is popular around the world. There are professional leagues in North American, Central America, Japan, Korea, Australia, Italy, the Netherlands and, I think, Taiwan.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 09:53
Subject: Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There's a whole conversation that's been going on in the sports world about how Black people dont play baseball. Adam Jones is one of few. I became aware of the ongoing convo during the Kaepernick take-a-knee thing...and how it wasn't relevant in the baseball world.
OP, if this is something that you are *really* interested in, all you have to do is google "why dont black people play baseball". The first URL was this espn article from a few years ago http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/9186117/why-african-americans-play-pro-baseball
Yes, it's just cringe inducing to me to see the lack of diversity in the attendees. It should make everyone feel ashamed.
I don't understand this way of thinking. Why should people feel ashamed?!
Anonymous
04/26/2017 09:50
Subject: Re:Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
My white husband would rather put out his eye with a dull pencil than attend a baseball game. A small part of him already dies each time our mixed race son has a Little League game. I, on the other hand, am a minority and have learned to like baseball a lot more. My son and I attend one or two Nats game a year (husband and daughter are happy to stay home). There are ways to lessen the cost, as others have said- each person can bring in an unopened bottle of water and their own food, so you're not required to buy expensive ball park food. We do pay for parking because my son has peanut and treenut allergies, and while he's been fine so far, if something were to happen, I like to have my car handy as opposed to relying on the metro. We buy tickets off Stub Hub and sit in the 400s.
Come to think of it though, even though his school is fairly diverse, out of the 12 kids on his LL team, he and a half/white/half-Latino kid are the only kids of color.
Come to think of it though, even though his school is fairly diverse, out of the 12 kids on his LL team, he and a half/white/half-Latino kid are the only kids of color.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 02:02
Subject: Re:Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
Anonymous wrote:This is one of the craziest race posts I've seen on DCUM. OP seems to be assuming that black people aren't showing up because the games are not accessible. There are PLENTY of black families in this area who can afford an outing to the Nats. They choose not to go. Who cares? I am black and have gone with my family to Nats games. I don't feel the least bit uncomfortable. In fact, at one game, I was rather surprised by the number of black people in the crowd, knowing it's not the most popular game. OP, you can save your concern - I don't think there are black families looking longingly at the ball park wishing they could go. If there were, they would be there at the games.
I'm a minority too. And I can be concerned about whatever I want to be, thank you very much.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 00:51
Subject: Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sports in the US = white coaches ordering minority players around on a field or court or whatever. Why would a Black person want to watch that??
I guess you aren't a Nats fan and know who Dusty Baker is.
if you knew anything about baseball, you know that the manager has been minimized in their power/role and it flows from the GM/front office.
dusty baker's gm is white.
If you knew anything about baseball, you would know that the manager, not the GM makes all in-game decisions That is Dusty; That is why Matt Williams was fired. Rizzo is Dusty's boss, but is not in the dugout during the game.
i've worked in baseball - you don't the first thing about modern informational flow and the decision cycle that currently exists with clubs.
in-game management is a part of a much larger picture. In fact many minorities have complained about the newer structure because it takes away power from managers (who are more apt to be ex-pros and therefore potentially minorities) and gives it to FO's.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 00:48
Subject: Re:Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
Anonymous wrote:This is one of the craziest race posts I've seen on DCUM. OP seems to be assuming that black people aren't showing up because the games are not accessible. There are PLENTY of black families in this area who can afford an outing to the Nats. They choose not to go. Who cares? I am black and have gone with my family to Nats games. I don't feel the least bit uncomfortable. In fact, at one game, I was rather surprised by the number of black people in the crowd, knowing it's not the most popular game. OP, you can save your concern - I don't think there are black families looking longingly at the ball park wishing they could go. If there were, they would be there at the games.
it isn't a crazy post.
The commissioners office is VERY CONCERNED about what the OP has written about.
Anonymous
04/26/2017 00:47
Subject: Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sports in the US = white coaches ordering minority players around on a field or court or whatever. Why would a Black person want to watch that??
I guess you aren't a Nats fan and know who Dusty Baker is.
if you knew anything about baseball, you know that the manager has been minimized in their power/role and it flows from the GM/front office.
dusty baker's gm is white.
Are all GMs and President of Baseball Ops white males? I cannot think of one who is not, and yes, with analytics, the FOs have substantial say. Also, as of last year, there were only four women in baseball ops and two of them are with the dodgers. There should be more diversity overall in front offices and in managing positions.
as someone who worked in a baseball front office very briefly (the pay is atrocious and i didn't love the game enough to try to make it to GM - which is a more rare job than US senator), there are more than four women in baseball ops. orioles have one for example. so to astros, dodgers, and a few other teams.
If you mean GM/AGM level, then no. I beleive there is only one woman - Jean Afterman with the yankees, who is rumoured to potentially get the GM job if cashman isn't re-upped in the bronx.
there are gm's who are not white males - farhan zaidi is with the dodgers, but he reports to Friedman, who is president. cubs have a vp/agm that's nonwhite (shiraz rehman) but he reports to hoyer and epstein. al avila is cuban (tigers). THe guy at the marlins is black but i dont' think he'll keep his job when ownership switches to the new owners after loria. the pirates have FO staff that are not ex-players that are black. Good guys.
mlb is doing a huge push for diversity in FO's. As someoen who has been to a number of winter meetings, there are actually a lot of women (more than i thought there would be) who are interested in breaking in.
If a woman wants to break in today, my advice would be for her to go to a top school (ivy or top lac) and major in a stem subject where she gains programming skills.
Anonymous
04/25/2017 22:01
Subject: Re:Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
This is one of the craziest race posts I've seen on DCUM. OP seems to be assuming that black people aren't showing up because the games are not accessible. There are PLENTY of black families in this area who can afford an outing to the Nats. They choose not to go. Who cares? I am black and have gone with my family to Nats games. I don't feel the least bit uncomfortable. In fact, at one game, I was rather surprised by the number of black people in the crowd, knowing it's not the most popular game. OP, you can save your concern - I don't think there are black families looking longingly at the ball park wishing they could go. If there were, they would be there at the games.
Anonymous
04/25/2017 21:23
Subject: Re:Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
There are several black guys where I work who are Nats fans. Also, lots of Latinos like baseball but that doesn't count I guess. The diversity has to be AA or it doesn't count?
Anonymous
04/25/2017 10:27
Subject: Attendance ar Nationals games is so very white ....
If its too white don't go, of course that why its so white now.