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Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

Don't worry--Asian students still have to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites to get into the same school. So with open minded, unbiased people like your sister interviewing, there's no hope for equal opportunity for Asians any time soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

This proves my point - it is not about "scoring 140 points higher". It's about bringing something valuable to the university's freshman incoming class.

So Asians are less "valuable" to universities than whites?

Another PP here - who is AA.

As an AA, I would not say that at all. But if you look at other threads on this forum that talks about Asian admissions, many Whites will often say that (or something about Asians being over prepped robots). Just do a search. Bottom line is that many Whites want a more holistic approach when competing against Asians BUT want a "stats" approach when it comes to URM. In other words, they want to use whatever admission approach that benefits them the most at that particular time.

This exactly. You can't have it both ways. Get rid of legacy admissions to schools that weren't even accepting non-whites decades ago and "donor cases" where rich families can buy their kids admission a la Jared Kushner and then we can talk about eliminating affirmative action.

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone noticed that African Americans (decendents of slaves) are being over looked for Africans and hispanics? Perhaps just my perception. However, AA deserve the attention in the academic world and job market as well as other areas. They were here early on, discriminated against - yet still helped build and defend our country.

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Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

Don't worry--Asian students still have to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites to get into the same school. So with open minded, unbiased people like your sister interviewing, there's no hope for equal opportunity for Asians any time soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

This proves my point - it is not about "scoring 140 points higher". It's about bringing something valuable to the university's freshman incoming class.

So Asians are less "valuable" to universities than whites?

WOW. Way to miss a point! No one is saying that an Asian student is less valuable to a university than a non-Asian student. What is being stated, is that a university is not a factory looking for cogs in a machine. They want unique individuals with unique talents and personalities. If someone is only focusing on "stats", they are not looking at the big picture.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

Don't worry--Asian students still have to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites to get into the same school. So with open minded, unbiased people like your sister interviewing, there's no hope for equal opportunity for Asians any time soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

This proves my point - it is not about "scoring 140 points higher". It's about bringing something valuable to the university's freshman incoming class.

So Asians are less "valuable" to universities than whites?

Another PP here - who is AA.

As an AA, I would not say that at all. But if you look at other threads on this forum that talks about Asian admissions, many Whites will often say that (or something about Asians being over prepped robots). Just do a search. Bottom line is that many Whites want a more holistic approach when competing against Asians BUT want a "stats" approach when it comes to URM. In other words, they want to use whatever admission approach that benefits them the most at that particular time.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

Don't worry--Asian students still have to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites to get into the same school. So with open minded, unbiased people like your sister interviewing, there's no hope for equal opportunity for Asians any time soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

This proves my point - it is not about "scoring 140 points higher". It's about bringing something valuable to the university's freshman incoming class.

So Asians are less "valuable" to universities than whites?

Another PP here - who is AA.

As an AA, I would not say that at all. But if you look at other threads on this forum that talks about Asian admissions, many Whites will often say that (or something about Asians being over prepped robots). Just do a search. Bottom line is that many Whites want a more holistic approach when competing against Asians BUT want a "stats" approach when it comes to URM. In other words, they want to use whatever admission approach that benefits them the most at that particular time.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

Don't worry--Asian students still have to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites to get into the same school. So with open minded, unbiased people like your sister interviewing, there's no hope for equal opportunity for Asians any time soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

This proves my point - it is not about "scoring 140 points higher". It's about bringing something valuable to the university's freshman incoming class.

So Asians are less "valuable" to universities than whites?

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

Don't worry--Asian students still have to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites to get into the same school. So with open minded, unbiased people like your sister interviewing, there's no hope for equal opportunity for Asians any time soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

This proves my point - it is not about "scoring 140 points higher". It's about bringing something valuable to the university's freshman incoming class.

So Asians are less "valuable" to universities than whites?

WOW. Way to miss a point! No one is saying that an Asian student is less valuable to a university than a non-Asian student. What is being stated, is that a university is not a factory looking for cogs in a machine. They want unique individuals with unique talents and personalities. If someone is only focusing on "stats", they are not looking at the big picture.

No, it's not missing the big picture when statistically significant research is done that Asians as a group have to score higher than white students to get in. Did you read the article posted?

To explain that disparity some might assume that while Asian students have high test scores, they fall short in other categories colleges consider important. But the study isolated race as a factor by controlling for variables like academic performance, legacy status, social class, type of high school (public or private) and participation in athletics. So that 140-point gap is between a white student and an Asian student who differ by little more than race.

Correction: January 31, 2017
An earlier version of this essay misstated the parameters of a study that found that an Asian student needed to score 140 points higher on the SAT test to have the same chance at college admission as a similar white student. The study did not control for participation in extracurricular activities other than athletics.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

Don't worry--Asian students still have to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites to get into the same school. So with open minded, unbiased people like your sister interviewing, there's no hope for equal opportunity for Asians any time soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

This proves my point - it is not about "scoring 140 points higher". It's about bringing something valuable to the university's freshman incoming class.

So Asians are less "valuable" to universities than whites?

WOW. Way to miss a point! No one is saying that an Asian student is less valuable to a university than a non-Asian student. What is being stated, is that a university is not a factory looking for cogs in a machine. They want unique individuals with unique talents and personalities. If someone is only focusing on "stats", they are not looking at the big picture.

To explain that disparity some might assume that while Asian students have high test scores, they fall short in other categories colleges consider important. But the study isolated race as a factor by controlling for variables like academic performance, legacy status, social class, type of high school (public or private) and participation in athletics. So that 140-point gap is between a white student and an Asian student who differ by little more than race.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

Don't worry--Asian students still have to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites to get into the same school. So with open minded, unbiased people like your sister interviewing, there's no hope for equal opportunity for Asians any time soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

This proves my point - it is not about "scoring 140 points higher". It's about bringing something valuable to the university's freshman incoming class.

So Asians are less "valuable" to universities than whites?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

Don't worry--Asian students still have to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites to get into the same school. So with open minded, unbiased people like your sister interviewing, there's no hope for equal opportunity for Asians any time soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

This proves my point - it is not about "scoring 140 points higher". It's about bringing something valuable to the university's freshman incoming class.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok here is some truth

I could care less about your kid

I know my kid has better stats than this person who got into all 8 ivies

And yes I am white

Newsflash: just because your kid has better "stats", doesn't mean they'll be a better fit for the freshman class that the university is putting together. It takes all stripes. Your kid is probably a dime a dozen in terms of what he/she brings to the table vs. someone else. Stop kidding yourself that high GPA/SAT is some kind of meal ticket to elite universities. As I'm sure you are finding out, that is not how US elite university admissions works, nor should it be. Why would a university want a freshman incoming class of 2000 identical UMC white drones?? What does that do for the university??

Exactly! Many of these UMC whites have been tutored and test-prepped to death. When their artificially inflated grades/test scores don't get them into a top university, their parents start making accusations of reverse racism.

Where's my white tears bucket, again?

I am the PP you are responding to and to be honest, I've even seen this with UMC Asian parents. My sister does alumni interviews for an ivy and I can't tell you how many UMC Asian applications she has seen where the kid has clearly been test-prepped to death with "perfect stats" who doesn't get into ANY of the elite schools they apply to. She also says that none of them can give a good reason why they even WANT to go to an elite school. The admissions committees can see right through this BS.

Don't worry--Asian students still have to score 140 points higher on their SATs than whites to get into the same school. So with open minded, unbiased people like your sister interviewing, there's no hope for equal opportunity for Asians any time soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html