Anonymous wrote:How about considering some out of state state schools? Some aren't any more expensive than in state.

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Anonymous wrote:W&M take 60% from in state
UVA takes 75% from in state
and so on

You can look these numbers up.

Chances are, if 40% of the students are from out of state, instead of 25% of them, you'll have greater diversity (as defined by you, above).

No. You forgot the 102 students from foreign countries at UVA. and the students from almost of 50 states (= more diversity). http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2016/03/university-releases-admission-decisions-for-class-of-2020

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If it is the same FCPS high school we went through, what you are not seeing in those stats is the overall size of the class and the degree of self-selection that goes on in the application process if you are in NOVA. The college counselor and those faculty writing letters are not going to help your B students apply to UVA. They just aren't. If I had suggested that for DC they would have laughed me out of the room. Only the very best of the 525 students in a class will be supported by the system to apply to those two schools. Those students are the same ones applying to HYPS. Our numbers for getting into W&M and UVA were much smaller than those above. It seemed like the same ten students got in everywhere but not for the rest of the class. You are much better off applying to a VA university from any other area than NOVA and especially FCPS.


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The stats above were from McLean's Class of '16. Not sure if all the favoritism for the best and brightest goes on there, but it probably does.

My DC actually completely bypassed VA schools, counselor recommendations, and the Common App and only applied to OOS publics. The whole process just seemed really weird - parents have to write multi-page essay about their child for the counselor, child needs to give teachers a professionally done resume to get a recommendation, etc. If you just have a nice, regular kid who is a solid student but more of a late bloomer, forget about it. She just looked for schools that base their decision on the essay, transcript and test scores and did fine in the process.

Wish we could afford OOS publics.

We can afford in-state rates but DD has a B+ GPA so I guess we are shut out (except for CCs).

Surely you're joking. A B+ GPA will get you into most VA publics.

We were so impressed by Mary Washington which seems to admit a wide variety of students. Also vcu in richmond. Our child actually liked umw better than w and m. To me they seemed a lot alike.

Minus the far better caliber of students, yes.

Not really. Plenty of very smart kids choose UMW, JMU, Tech, etc. over UVA/W&M. As has been stated over and over on this forum, it's all about fit. I feel sorry for the kids of parents (probably like you) who insist they go to certain schools because of perceived "prestige." What a miserable experience for the kids who would be happier at so many other good schools.

Just looking at the grades and scores of admitted students, sir or ma'am.

Then you understand there's a range, just as there's a range at UVA. The perfect 4.5GPA at UVA rubs shoulders with a 3.2 kid too.

Rarely. 93% of the incoming class of 2020 were in the top 10% of their class

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I'd say that GMU and MWC are reaches with a 3.4 UW. Longwood, CNU (may also be a reach), JMU, VT.

Huh?

OP, depending on major, she should be able to get into any school in VA except maybe UVA and W&M.

My DD graduated from an FCPS HS last year. The school doesn't even report an u/w GPA and we found that many colleges just use the weighted GPA "as is" for admission and scholarship consideration (this is confirmed in the "from the counselor" notes on Naviance for many schools). Assuming that your HS is the same, use the 3.8 when considering her chances for admission at the various VA publics, not the 3.4. Heck, my kid got into much better schools than GMU, MWC, Longwood and CNU with a WEIGHTED 3.4. This is DCUM and a lot of posters think a GPA under 4.5 is a sure sign of failure in life.

So FCPS weighted GPA us the number used for in state applications/admissions?!?

From the looks of Naviance, yes. But other districts may not. This is all noted in the school profile sent to all colleges. Colleges are used to getting both weighted and unweighted and adjust accordingly. It's not a big deal.

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If it is the same FCPS high school we went through, what you are not seeing in those stats is the overall size of the class and the degree of self-selection that goes on in the application process if you are in NOVA. The college counselor and those faculty writing letters are not going to help your B students apply to UVA. They just aren't. If I had suggested that for DC they would have laughed me out of the room. Only the very best of the 525 students in a class will be supported by the system to apply to those two schools. Those students are the same ones applying to HYPS. Our numbers for getting into W&M and UVA were much smaller than those above. It seemed like the same ten students got in everywhere but not for the rest of the class. You are much better off applying to a VA university from any other area than NOVA and especially FCPS.


Woodson?

The stats above were from McLean's Class of '16. Not sure if all the favoritism for the best and brightest goes on there, but it probably does.

My DC actually completely bypassed VA schools, counselor recommendations, and the Common App and only applied to OOS publics. The whole process just seemed really weird - parents have to write multi-page essay about their child for the counselor, child needs to give teachers a professionally done resume to get a recommendation, etc. If you just have a nice, regular kid who is a solid student but more of a late bloomer, forget about it. She just looked for schools that base their decision on the essay, transcript and test scores and did fine in the process.

Wish we could afford OOS publics.

We can afford in-state rates but DD has a B+ GPA so I guess we are shut out (except for CCs).

Surely you're joking. A B+ GPA will get you into most VA publics.

We were so impressed by Mary Washington which seems to admit a wide variety of students. Also vcu in richmond. Our child actually liked umw better than w and m. To me they seemed a lot alike.

Minus the far better caliber of students, yes.

Not really. Plenty of very smart kids choose UMW, JMU, Tech, etc. over UVA/W&M. As has been stated over and over on this forum, it's all about fit. I feel sorry for the kids of parents (probably like you) who insist they go to certain schools because of perceived "prestige." What a miserable experience for the kids who would be happier at so many other good schools.

Just looking at the grades and scores of admitted students, sir or ma'am.

Then you understand there's a range, just as there's a range at UVA. The perfect 4.5GPA at UVA rubs shoulders with a 3.2 kid too.

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If it is the same FCPS high school we went through, what you are not seeing in those stats is the overall size of the class and the degree of self-selection that goes on in the application process if you are in NOVA. The college counselor and those faculty writing letters are not going to help your B students apply to UVA. They just aren't. If I had suggested that for DC they would have laughed me out of the room. Only the very best of the 525 students in a class will be supported by the system to apply to those two schools. Those students are the same ones applying to HYPS. Our numbers for getting into W&M and UVA were much smaller than those above. It seemed like the same ten students got in everywhere but not for the rest of the class. You are much better off applying to a VA university from any other area than NOVA and especially FCPS.


Woodson?

The stats above were from McLean's Class of '16. Not sure if all the favoritism for the best and brightest goes on there, but it probably does.

My DC actually completely bypassed VA schools, counselor recommendations, and the Common App and only applied to OOS publics. The whole process just seemed really weird - parents have to write multi-page essay about their child for the counselor, child needs to give teachers a professionally done resume to get a recommendation, etc. If you just have a nice, regular kid who is a solid student but more of a late bloomer, forget about it. She just looked for schools that base their decision on the essay, transcript and test scores and did fine in the process.

Wish we could afford OOS publics.

We can afford in-state rates but DD has a B+ GPA so I guess we are shut out (except for CCs).

Surely you're joking. A B+ GPA will get you into most VA publics.

We were so impressed by Mary Washington which seems to admit a wide variety of students. Also vcu in richmond. Our child actually liked umw better than w and m. To me they seemed a lot alike.

Minus the far better caliber of students, yes.

Not really. Plenty of very smart kids choose UMW, JMU, Tech, etc. over UVA/W&M. As has been stated over and over on this forum, it's all about fit. I feel sorry for the kids of parents (probably like you) who insist they go to certain schools because of perceived "prestige." What a miserable experience for the kids who would be happier at so many other good schools.

Just looking at the grades and scores of admitted students, sir or ma'am.

Anonymous wrote:W&M take 60% from in state
UVA takes 75% from in state
and so on

You can look these numbers up.

Chances are, if 40% of the students are from out of state, instead of 25% of them, you'll have greater diversity (as defined by you, above).

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I'd say that GMU and MWC are reaches with a 3.4 UW. Longwood, CNU (may also be a reach), JMU, VT.

Huh?

OP, depending on major, she should be able to get into any school in VA except maybe UVA and W&M.

My DD graduated from an FCPS HS last year. The school doesn't even report an u/w GPA and we found that many colleges just use the weighted GPA "as is" for admission and scholarship consideration (this is confirmed in the "from the counselor" notes on Naviance for many schools). Assuming that your HS is the same, use the 3.8 when considering her chances for admission at the various VA publics, not the 3.4. Heck, my kid got into much better schools than GMU, MWC, Longwood and CNU with a WEIGHTED 3.4. This is DCUM and a lot of posters think a GPA under 4.5 is a sure sign of failure in life.

So FCPS weighted GPA us the number used for in state applications/admissions?!?

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I'd say that GMU and MWC are reaches with a 3.4 UW. Longwood, CNU (may also be a reach), JMU, VT.

Huh?

OP, depending on major, she should be able to get into any school in VA except maybe UVA and W&M.

My DD graduated from an FCPS HS last year. The school doesn't even report an u/w GPA and we found that many colleges just use the weighted GPA "as is" for admission and scholarship consideration (this is confirmed in the "from the counselor" notes on Naviance for many schools). Assuming that your HS is the same, use the 3.8 when considering her chances for admission at the various VA publics, not the 3.4. Heck, my kid got into much better schools than GMU, MWC, Longwood and CNU with a WEIGHTED 3.4. This is DCUM and a lot of posters think a GPA under 4.5 is a sure sign of failure in life.

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If it is the same FCPS high school we went through, what you are not seeing in those stats is the overall size of the class and the degree of self-selection that goes on in the application process if you are in NOVA. The college counselor and those faculty writing letters are not going to help your B students apply to UVA. They just aren't. If I had suggested that for DC they would have laughed me out of the room. Only the very best of the 525 students in a class will be supported by the system to apply to those two schools. Those students are the same ones applying to HYPS. Our numbers for getting into W&M and UVA were much smaller than those above. It seemed like the same ten students got in everywhere but not for the rest of the class. You are much better off applying to a VA university from any other area than NOVA and especially FCPS.


Woodson?

The stats above were from McLean's Class of '16. Not sure if all the favoritism for the best and brightest goes on there, but it probably does.

My DC actually completely bypassed VA schools, counselor recommendations, and the Common App and only applied to OOS publics. The whole process just seemed really weird - parents have to write multi-page essay about their child for the counselor, child needs to give teachers a professionally done resume to get a recommendation, etc. If you just have a nice, regular kid who is a solid student but more of a late bloomer, forget about it. She just looked for schools that base their decision on the essay, transcript and test scores and did fine in the process.

Wish we could afford OOS publics.

We can afford in-state rates but DD has a B+ GPA so I guess we are shut out (except for CCs).

Surely you're joking. A B+ GPA will get you into most VA publics.

We were so impressed by Mary Washington which seems to admit a wide variety of students. Also vcu in richmond. Our child actually liked umw better than w and m. To me they seemed a lot alike.

Minus the far better caliber of students, yes.

Not really. Plenty of very smart kids choose UMW, JMU, Tech, etc. over UVA/W&M. As has been stated over and over on this forum, it's all about fit. I feel sorry for the kids of parents (probably like you) who insist they go to certain schools because of perceived "prestige." What a miserable experience for the kids who would be happier at so many other good schools.

Just looking at the grades and scores of admitted students, sir or ma'am.

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If it is the same FCPS high school we went through, what you are not seeing in those stats is the overall size of the class and the degree of self-selection that goes on in the application process if you are in NOVA. The college counselor and those faculty writing letters are not going to help your B students apply to UVA. They just aren't. If I had suggested that for DC they would have laughed me out of the room. Only the very best of the 525 students in a class will be supported by the system to apply to those two schools. Those students are the same ones applying to HYPS. Our numbers for getting into W&M and UVA were much smaller than those above. It seemed like the same ten students got in everywhere but not for the rest of the class. You are much better off applying to a VA university from any other area than NOVA and especially FCPS.


Woodson?

The stats above were from McLean's Class of '16. Not sure if all the favoritism for the best and brightest goes on there, but it probably does.

My DC actually completely bypassed VA schools, counselor recommendations, and the Common App and only applied to OOS publics. The whole process just seemed really weird - parents have to write multi-page essay about their child for the counselor, child needs to give teachers a professionally done resume to get a recommendation, etc. If you just have a nice, regular kid who is a solid student but more of a late bloomer, forget about it. She just looked for schools that base their decision on the essay, transcript and test scores and did fine in the process.

Wish we could afford OOS publics.

We can afford in-state rates but DD has a B+ GPA so I guess we are shut out (except for CCs).

Surely you're joking. A B+ GPA will get you into most VA publics.

We were so impressed by Mary Washington which seems to admit a wide variety of students. Also vcu in richmond. Our child actually liked umw better than w and m. To me they seemed a lot alike.

Minus the far better caliber of students, yes.

Not really. Plenty of very smart kids choose UMW, JMU, Tech, etc. over UVA/W&M. As has been stated over and over on this forum, it's all about fit. I feel sorry for the kids of parents (probably like you) who insist they go to certain schools because of perceived "prestige." What a miserable experience for the kids who would be happier at so many other good schools.

Anonymous wrote:As a side note you people do realize that UMW and GM were both colleges which were part of UVA until the early 1970's right?

Anonymous wrote:As a side note you people do realize that UMW and GM were both colleges which were part of UVA until the early 1970's right?