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Anonymous wrote:^I worked on a research project on interracial dating using OK Cupid and Match data. The results, which were released to the media and highly publicized, actually revealed that Asian women are more likely than women of other races to seek out men outside their race, primarily white men. This was measured by looking at how often Asian women initiated interactions and also followed up. They showed far more preference for white men than white men showed for them, and also showed more preference for Hispanic men than Hispanic men showed for them.

All in all, Asian women's success in the dating field is a consequence of smart dating, as opposed to men finding them more attractive. White men are both the most successful men in America and the most numerous men in America. Asian women are playing the numbers very wisely, unlike African American women who continue to act as if dating a white man is a capital offense. It is staggering how many perpetually single African American women I know who are approached by white men, but would rather die single waiting for African American men. They are simply not being rational about their own interests.

Here's an interesting and true stat: If even 5 percent of white men are interested in African American women, that is enough to get every single African American woman under age 44 married. And I can say from research and personal observation that far more than 5 percent of white men are interested in African American women.

frankly, its probably they are regarded as attractive AND they are open to dating outside their race.

Okay, Asian woman, you can believe you are more attractive if you want.

not an asian women and I don't find them physically attractive (I like having them as friends though) but asian women on average don't get fat like the average white woman does. And their skin stays softer and smoother for longer (which even hot white women lose at 28).

So yes I can definitely see why my fellow guys think asian women are 'more' attractive. it's relative - for the 'league' that they can pull, it could very well be that in that tier, asian women are the prettiest. Think of all your jewish male friends who are with asian women. A lot of it is because similarly attractive jewish women wouldn't give those guys the time of day in college and in their early/mid 20's.

Asian-American female here. I am married to a handsome successful Asian-American male. Many Asian guys joke that white guys marry the busted Asian girls. The Asian guys don't necessarily find these women attractive but some nerdy white guy will. Of course there are beautiful Asian women who are with outside races. Also know Asian women who would not date an unattractive Asian man but seem ok with an unattractive white man as long as he is tall and well educated.

Considering Asian men have a hard time with women of all races in America (be it right or wrong), sounds like your husband has a case of sour grapes.

My husband doesn't comment on women's looks. My ex boyfriend and his friends did. I am sure they are still partying and dating hot Asian girls in NYC.

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Anonymous wrote:If this were a white woman who lived in an area filled with minorities and wanted to hold out for a white man, would you so strongly encourage her to marry a black man rather than suffer the "penalty" of not marrying? Even though she said she was fine with it? Doubt it. You'd be on Zillow find houses she could move in to or telling her how marriage isn't all that great anyway. Check yourselves.

more white women should marry black men and have mixed babies - mixed babies are super cute !

Anonymous wrote:If this were a white woman who lived in an area filled with minorities and wanted to hold out for a white man, would you so strongly encourage her to marry a black man rather than suffer the "penalty" of not marrying? Even though she said she was fine with it? Doubt it. You'd be on Zillow find houses she could move in to or telling her how marriage isn't all that great anyway. Check yourselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it is them being picky!

we have a winner - and just to elaborate, they aren't just picky but they also probably have an extensive "list" of what they want, they carry around a F*!# you attitude and they think their shit doesn't stink. Most guys can see that attitude from a mile away and steer clear, unless they are just after a roll in the hay.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole conversation is interesting. My mom is a black women and my dad is of another race--guess that made them pioneers 40+ years ago when they got married.

I commented upthread that I attended an HBCU and that most of AA female college friends are still not married in their late 30s, despite being accomplished, attractive, etc. I agree with the statistician that there are far more educated and eligible AA women than men. Not impossible for educated AA women to get married but the numbers makes it a little less likely since most of us seem to want to hold out for AA men. In contrast, AA men are *not* holding out for AA women-- just being real--and instead will date a range of other races in addition to black women.

I agree that due to cultural differences black woman and white men may not always be a good match-- for example, many of my AA female friends attend church regularly and would describe spirituality as being important in their lives, whereas I don't know many white men in the same age group for whom the same characteristics would apply. However, I still for one think that more AA women who would like to be married one day should at least be *open* to The idea of interracial dating, if only to increase their chances of finding a good match even if they still ultimately end up with a black man. My two cents.

FWIW, I'm married to an African guy, and of my few married AA female friends, they are married to mostly AA men but also Swedish, Middle Eastern, etc.

I'm the PP who posted about dating white men but married AA. I look at it this way: people have all kinds of preferences about who they will date or mate, but it feels like the preferences of black women are the ones most open to criticism from all sides. Just as with the hairstyle I choose (chemically straightened, with no qualms) I'm not making any kind of statement, just exercising my choice. But there's always criticism from some quarter, which people feel free to discuss with me in a way that they'd never bring up with a person of another race or gender.

Reading this thread, I find myself a little disgusted in a way I've never been before by what seems to be a notion that black women should be willing to date and marry a white man for no other reason than desperation to be married. My father forbid it (though I never cared much what he said) but for the first time I'm understanding what he must have felt that a white guy would believe himself a catch no matter what his character as a person. Best to be avoided than find out after marriage and kids.

But the bottom line is that I chose what was best for me and I think it's rather uncivilized to open up MY CHOICE for public critique and debate. My husband is an excellent husband and father who respects and understands me better than anyone. He can be annoying but not in any way that overshadows his best qualities. He's pretty damned lucky to have me as well and makes sure that I know he knows it.

Anonymous wrote:This whole conversation is interesting. My mom is a black women and my dad is of another race--guess that made them pioneers 40+ years ago when they got married.

I commented upthread that I attended an HBCU and that most of AA female college friends are still not married in their late 30s, despite being accomplished, attractive, etc. I agree with the statistician that there are far more educated and eligible AA women than men. Not impossible for educated AA women to get married but the numbers makes it a little less likely since most of us seem to want to hold out for AA men. In contrast, AA men are *not* holding out for AA women-- just being real--and instead will date a range of other races in addition to black women.

I agree that due to cultural differences black woman and white men may not always be a good match-- for example, many of my AA female friends attend church regularly and would describe spirituality as being important in their lives, whereas I don't know many white men in the same age group for whom the same characteristics would apply. However, I still for one think that more AA women who would like to be married one day should at least be *open* to The idea of interracial dating, if only to increase their chances of finding a good match even if they still ultimately end up with a black man. My two cents.

FWIW, I'm married to an African guy, and of my few married AA female friends, they are married to mostly AA men but also Swedish, Middle Eastern, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:^I worked on a research project on interracial dating using OK Cupid and Match data. The results, which were released to the media and highly publicized, actually revealed that Asian women are more likely than women of other races to seek out men outside their race, primarily white men. This was measured by looking at how often Asian women initiated interactions and also followed up. They showed far more preference for white men than white men showed for them, and also showed more preference for Hispanic men than Hispanic men showed for them.

All in all, Asian women's success in the dating field is a consequence of smart dating, as opposed to men finding them more attractive. White men are both the most successful men in America and the most numerous men in America. Asian women are playing the numbers very wisely, unlike African American women who continue to act as if dating a white man is a capital offense. It is staggering how many perpetually single African American women I know who are approached by white men, but would rather die single waiting for African American men. They are simply not being rational about their own interests.

Here's an interesting and true stat: If even 5 percent of white men are interested in African American women, that is enough to get every single African American woman under age 44 married. And I can say from research and personal observation that far more than 5 percent of white men are interested in African American women.

frankly, its probably they are regarded as attractive AND they are open to dating outside their race.

Okay, Asian woman, you can believe you are more attractive if you want.

not an asian women and I don't find them physically attractive (I like having them as friends though) but asian women on average don't get fat like the average white woman does. And their skin stays softer and smoother for longer (which even hot white women lose at 28).

So yes I can definitely see why my fellow guys think asian women are 'more' attractive. it's relative - for the 'league' that they can pull, it could very well be that in that tier, asian women are the prettiest. Think of all your jewish male friends who are with asian women. A lot of it is because similarly attractive jewish women wouldn't give those guys the time of day in college and in their early/mid 20's.

Asian-American female here. I am married to a handsome successful Asian-American male. Many Asian guys joke that white guys marry the busted Asian girls. The Asian guys don't necessarily find these women attractive but some nerdy white guy will. Of course there are beautiful Asian women who are with outside races. Also know Asian women who would not date an unattractive Asian man but seem ok with an unattractive white man as long as he is tall and well educated.

Considering Asian men have a hard time with women of all races in America (be it right or wrong), sounds like your husband has a case of sour grapes.

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I don't consider singleness a penalty, and I would hardly be alone. There are plenty of option for black women who want to marry black men. Plenty. Those who say they aren't tend to be the type who are picky. I don't mean picky in a good way I mean the kind of picky where they would excuse a white man for having the same traits they'd find fault in a black man.

This is actually provably false. There are not nearly enough educated black men for all educated black women. Unless you think wanting someone of equal education is "picky."

If you choose to believe the myths perpetuated by fact that's fine. If you want to marry a white man go on and do you. I will not be joining you.

I am not a black woman and these aren't myths. Do you understand numbers? If there are x number of educated black men and y number of educated black women and x is less than y, plus x is made even less because some men are gay/unemployed/not interested in marriage, then there are going to be many unmarried educated black women. That is what you are seeing.

Don't talk down to me dear.
Trust and believe I'd run circles around you when it comes to education.
I understand the numbers that you believe, but it's not reality to say an educated black woman cannot have an educated black man.

For someone who will run circles around others, you seem to be having a hard time understanding basic concepts. The point is not that an educated black woman cannot have an educated black man. It is that the way things stand, it is numically impossible for every educated black woman to have an educated black man.

PP sounds like an angry black woman. They are so defensive. I can see why a man of any race would not find her attractive.

Anonymous wrote:^I worked on a research project on interracial dating using OK Cupid and Match data. The results, which were released to the media and highly publicized, actually revealed that Asian women are more likely than women of other races to seek out men outside their race, primarily white men. This was measured by looking at how often Asian women initiated interactions and also followed up. They showed far more preference for white men than white men showed for them, and also showed more preference for Hispanic men than Hispanic men showed for them.

All in all, Asian women's success in the dating field is a consequence of smart dating, as opposed to men finding them more attractive. White men are both the most successful men in America and the most numerous men in America. Asian women are playing the numbers very wisely, unlike African American women who continue to act as if dating a white man is a capital offense. It is staggering how many perpetually single African American women I know who are approached by white men, but would rather die single waiting for African American men. They are simply not being rational about their own interests.

Here's an interesting and true stat: If even 5 percent of white men are interested in African American women, that is enough to get every single African American woman under age 44 married. And I can say from research and personal observation that far more than 5 percent of white men are interested in African American women.

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Anonymous wrote:^I worked on a research project on interracial dating using OK Cupid and Match data. The results, which were released to the media and highly publicized, actually revealed that Asian women are more likely than women of other races to seek out men outside their race, primarily white men. This was measured by looking at how often Asian women initiated interactions and also followed up. They showed far more preference for white men than white men showed for them, and also showed more preference for Hispanic men than Hispanic men showed for them.

All in all, Asian women's success in the dating field is a consequence of smart dating, as opposed to men finding them more attractive. White men are both the most successful men in America and the most numerous men in America. Asian women are playing the numbers very wisely, unlike African American women who continue to act as if dating a white man is a capital offense. It is staggering how many perpetually single African American women I know who are approached by white men, but would rather die single waiting for African American men. They are simply not being rational about their own interests.

Here's an interesting and true stat: If even 5 percent of white men are interested in African American women, that is enough to get every single African American woman under age 44 married. And I can say from research and personal observation that far more than 5 percent of white men are interested in African American women.

frankly, its probably they are regarded as attractive AND they are open to dating outside their race.

Okay, Asian woman, you can believe you are more attractive if you want.

Yeah, this sort of sour grapes logic is heard a lot in East Asia. In Taiwan I often heard local guys complaining that girls go for white guys but then pointing out that only the ugly ones/weirdos marry westerners. Maybe they were right. The general Taiwanese guy looks for a girls who is "obedient" and "well behaved" (tinghua/guai) and looks like some pasty faced person with an eating disorder. So I guess if the westerners were getting the confident ones who actually ate three meals a day, good for them.

not an asian women and I don't find them physically attractive (I like having them as friends though) but asian women on average don't get fat like the average white woman does. And their skin stays softer and smoother for longer (which even hot white women lose at 28).

So yes I can definitely see why my fellow guys think asian women are 'more' attractive. it's relative - for the 'league' that they can pull, it could very well be that in that tier, asian women are the prettiest. Think of all your jewish male friends who are with asian women. A lot of it is because similarly attractive jewish women wouldn't give those guys the time of day in college and in their early/mid 20's.

Asian-American female here. I am married to a handsome successful Asian-American male. Many Asian guys joke that white guys marry the busted Asian girls. The Asian guys don't necessarily find these women attractive but some nerdy white guy will. Of course there are beautiful Asian women who are with outside races. Also know Asian women who would not date an unattractive Asian man but seem ok with an unattractive white man as long as he is tall and well educated.

that's a fair point. the asian women that jewish guys are pulling aren't the HK model types or kpop hotties.

That's because what is considered beautiful is different. Frankly the k pop hotties look like oversexualized children. Being cutesy is also attractive,urghed. Lucy Liu would not be considered beautiful in Asia but she is very attractive. So the whole marrying "busted" Asian women is just a fallacy, notions of beauty is different.

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Anonymous wrote:^I worked on a research project on interracial dating using OK Cupid and Match data. The results, which were released to the media and highly publicized, actually revealed that Asian women are more likely than women of other races to seek out men outside their race, primarily white men. This was measured by looking at how often Asian women initiated interactions and also followed up. They showed far more preference for white men than white men showed for them, and also showed more preference for Hispanic men than Hispanic men showed for them.

All in all, Asian women's success in the dating field is a consequence of smart dating, as opposed to men finding them more attractive. White men are both the most successful men in America and the most numerous men in America. Asian women are playing the numbers very wisely, unlike African American women who continue to act as if dating a white man is a capital offense. It is staggering how many perpetually single African American women I know who are approached by white men, but would rather die single waiting for African American men. They are simply not being rational about their own interests.

Here's an interesting and true stat: If even 5 percent of white men are interested in African American women, that is enough to get every single African American woman under age 44 married. And I can say from research and personal observation that far more than 5 percent of white men are interested in African American women.

frankly, its probably they are regarded as attractive AND they are open to dating outside their race.

Okay, Asian woman, you can believe you are more attractive if you want.

not an asian women and I don't find them physically attractive (I like having them as friends though) but asian women on average don't get fat like the average white woman does. And their skin stays softer and smoother for longer (which even hot white women lose at 28).

So yes I can definitely see why my fellow guys think asian women are 'more' attractive. it's relative - for the 'league' that they can pull, it could very well be that in that tier, asian women are the prettiest. Think of all your jewish male friends who are with asian women. A lot of it is because similarly attractive jewish women wouldn't give those guys the time of day in college and in their early/mid 20's.

Asian-American female here. I am married to a handsome successful Asian-American male. Many Asian guys joke that white guys marry the busted Asian girls. The Asian guys don't necessarily find these women attractive but some nerdy white guy will. Of course there are beautiful Asian women who are with outside races. Also know Asian women who would not date an unattractive Asian man but seem ok with an unattractive white man as long as he is tall and well educated.

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Anonymous wrote:^I worked on a research project on interracial dating using OK Cupid and Match data. The results, which were released to the media and highly publicized, actually revealed that Asian women are more likely than women of other races to seek out men outside their race, primarily white men. This was measured by looking at how often Asian women initiated interactions and also followed up. They showed far more preference for white men than white men showed for them, and also showed more preference for Hispanic men than Hispanic men showed for them.

All in all, Asian women's success in the dating field is a consequence of smart dating, as opposed to men finding them more attractive. White men are both the most successful men in America and the most numerous men in America. Asian women are playing the numbers very wisely, unlike African American women who continue to act as if dating a white man is a capital offense. It is staggering how many perpetually single African American women I know who are approached by white men, but would rather die single waiting for African American men. They are simply not being rational about their own interests.

Here's an interesting and true stat: If even 5 percent of white men are interested in African American women, that is enough to get every single African American woman under age 44 married. And I can say from research and personal observation that far more than 5 percent of white men are interested in African American women.

frankly, its probably they are regarded as attractive AND they are open to dating outside their race.

Okay, Asian woman, you can believe you are more attractive if you want.

not an asian women and I don't find them physically attractive (I like having them as friends though) but asian women on average don't get fat like the average white woman does. And their skin stays softer and smoother for longer (which even hot white women lose at 28).

So yes I can definitely see why my fellow guys think asian women are 'more' attractive. it's relative - for the 'league' that they can pull, it could very well be that in that tier, asian women are the prettiest. Think of all your jewish male friends who are with asian women. A lot of it is because similarly attractive jewish women wouldn't give those guys the time of day in college and in their early/mid 20's.

Asian-American female here. I am married to a handsome successful Asian-American male. Many Asian guys joke that white guys marry the busted Asian girls. The Asian guys don't necessarily find these women attractive but some nerdy white guy will. Of course there are beautiful Asian women who are with outside races. Also know Asian women who would not date an unattractive Asian man but seem ok with an unattractive white man as long as he is tall and well educated.

that's a fair point. the asian women that jewish guys are pulling aren't the HK model types or kpop hotties.