Anonymous wrote:9:05 poster again. I think a more accurate statement is that it is more difficult to be in the top 10% of your class in NOVA compared to the rest of the state rather than "far fewer NOVA kids are accepted when compared to the rest of the state."

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Anonymous wrote:Really ridiculous when people complain about paying taxes that support the school. UVA gets approximately $1000/year/in state student from VA. For that they give a tuition reduction of $25,000 to each of those kids. Seems like a really crappy deal for the institution and yet some moron sitting in NOVA complains about paying taxes. UVA provides a great service to the state of VA and should be appreciated not criticized. The funds that were the basis of the article and the recent complaining did not come from tuition, fees, or operations. They were privately raised and invested. There should not have been any mandate to co-mingle with operations nor should they be ridiculed for being successful for investing those. Bravo to them for being smart investors. They could build some really interesting things with that money.

There are many other state universities in Virginia that receive a much larger percentage of state support, yet never receive the criticism that UVA and others do. Instead of complaining about UVA tuition being too high there are other options at many price points with greater state subsidies. If you don't like the way they run their business please pick somewhere else. But please don't complain that you are providing this mountain of tax revenue. I am sure that UVA would gladly give it all back for freedom to run their university as they see fit free from government harassment and self-important taxpayers.

Obviously you're a UVA alum or parent. Regardless, most people on this thread aren't complaining about the price of UVA's tuition, but rather the fact that far fewer NOVA kids are accepted when compared to the rest of the state and out-of-state students. And, in fact, the tax revenue coming from NOVA could absolutely be classified as a "mountain." Our taxes subsidize the rest of the state - and you know it.

If anyone sounds "self-important" here, it would be you.

Where are the statistics that support your statement that far fewer nova students are accepted that from out of state or other parts of virginia? So far there is just a lot of anecdotal evidence about a poster's smart kid who did not got in. And considering the out of state enrollment is capped at 1/3, I question whether more out of state than nova students are accepted.

You either haven't lived here very long or have young kids and don't yet know the score.

Actually, no. Not only do I know the score, I could write it.

I have lived in Arlington for 23 years and have children ages 21, 19, 17 and 15. The oldest was in the top 10% of her high school class yet UVA rejected her, the 19 year old was in the top 10% of his high school class and UVA accepted him and the 17 year old, currently in the top 10% of his high school class, is in the process of applying to UVA now. The vast majority of my UVA son's friends are from Fairfax.

I would like to see some actual numbers, not anecdotal evidence like mine, to support the statement that "far fewer NOVA kids are accepted when compared to the rest of the state and out-of-state students."

The PP at 10:40 cites a magazine (don't know which one) and concludes that 40% of the instate freshman are from NOVA, not counting Prince William County, which also is in NOVA. On the face of it, that statistic looks pretty good for NOVA applicants who are in the top 10% of their class. I wonder how that compares to the percentage of the state's high school population that lives in NOVA. If I didn't have to work right now I'd try to figure that out.

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Anonymous wrote:Really ridiculous when people complain about paying taxes that support the school. UVA gets approximately $1000/year/in state student from VA. For that they give a tuition reduction of $25,000 to each of those kids. Seems like a really crappy deal for the institution and yet some moron sitting in NOVA complains about paying taxes. UVA provides a great service to the state of VA and should be appreciated not criticized. The funds that were the basis of the article and the recent complaining did not come from tuition, fees, or operations. They were privately raised and invested. There should not have been any mandate to co-mingle with operations nor should they be ridiculed for being successful for investing those. Bravo to them for being smart investors. They could build some really interesting things with that money.

There are many other state universities in Virginia that receive a much larger percentage of state support, yet never receive the criticism that UVA and others do. Instead of complaining about UVA tuition being too high there are other options at many price points with greater state subsidies. If you don't like the way they run their business please pick somewhere else. But please don't complain that you are providing this mountain of tax revenue. I am sure that UVA would gladly give it all back for freedom to run their university as they see fit free from government harassment and self-important taxpayers.

Obviously you're a UVA alum or parent. Regardless, most people on this thread aren't complaining about the price of UVA's tuition, but rather the fact that far fewer NOVA kids are accepted when compared to the rest of the state and out-of-state students. And, in fact, the tax revenue coming from NOVA could absolutely be classified as a "mountain." Our taxes subsidize the rest of the state - and you know it.

If anyone sounds "self-important" here, it would be you.

Where are the statistics that support your statement that far fewer nova students are accepted that from out of state or other parts of virginia? So far there is just a lot of anecdotal evidence about a poster's smart kid who did not got in. And considering the out of state enrollment is capped at 1/3, I question whether more out of state than nova students are accepted.

You either haven't lived here very long or have young kids and don't yet know the score.

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Anonymous wrote:Really ridiculous when people complain about paying taxes that support the school. UVA gets approximately $1000/year/in state student from VA. For that they give a tuition reduction of $25,000 to each of those kids. Seems like a really crappy deal for the institution and yet some moron sitting in NOVA complains about paying taxes. UVA provides a great service to the state of VA and should be appreciated not criticized. The funds that were the basis of the article and the recent complaining did not come from tuition, fees, or operations. They were privately raised and invested. There should not have been any mandate to co-mingle with operations nor should they be ridiculed for being successful for investing those. Bravo to them for being smart investors. They could build some really interesting things with that money.

There are many other state universities in Virginia that receive a much larger percentage of state support, yet never receive the criticism that UVA and others do. Instead of complaining about UVA tuition being too high there are other options at many price points with greater state subsidies. If you don't like the way they run their business please pick somewhere else. But please don't complain that you are providing this mountain of tax revenue. I am sure that UVA would gladly give it all back for freedom to run their university as they see fit free from government harassment and self-important taxpayers.

Obviously you're a UVA alum or parent. Regardless, most people on this thread aren't complaining about the price of UVA's tuition, but rather the fact that far fewer NOVA kids are accepted when compared to the rest of the state and out-of-state students. And, in fact, the tax revenue coming from NOVA could absolutely be classified as a "mountain." Our taxes subsidize the rest of the state - and you know it.

If anyone sounds "self-important" here, it would be you.

Where are the statistics that support your statement that far fewer nova students are accepted that from out of state or other parts of virginia? So far there is just a lot of anecdotal evidence about a poster's smart kid who did not got in. And considering the out of state enrollment is capped at 1/3, I question whether more out of state than nova students are accepted.

Anonymous wrote:PP here. No, I am neither an alum nor a parent of UVA. I just think the complaining is unfounded. As to the taxation question they receive $1000/kid/year, charge them $14,000/kid/year and probably spend about $35,000/kid/year educating them. So, they lose $20,000 on every in-state kid they take even if they are full pay. That's a pretty generous situation for every in-state kid there.

Then people complain that they can't get in. UVA says that 90 percent of the class was top 10% in their high school. Well 10% of the class is likely recruited athletes, of whom a majority were not in the top 10% in their high school grades. That means pretty much everyone else has to be for the statistic to fall in line. We have seen 50+ Mclean acceptances each of the past 3 years, and similar numbers reported from Marshall. Looks a lot like 10% of those classes got in. The one exception being TJ which goes much deeper than the 10 percent rule, and deservedly so. And it looks like their larger slice of the pie is coming out of the rest of the state. So, if your kid is top 10 percent at McLean, he's a good candidate. Same at Marshall, Madison, George Mason and Robinson. Langley too. But at Pulaski High he better be near number 1 because they sure aren't getting in at the 90th percentile unless they can block and tackle or hit a jump shot. Or some other explainable reason.

The people that complain the most are those whose kids are likely outside the top 10 percent. There just aren't enough seats once you fill the spots for the athletes, marching band, and first generation recruits for a high likelihood of acceptance below that threshold. And UVA doesn't seem to hide it. But everyone who pays taxes in the Commonwealth feels entitled to admission at the institution of their choosing.

So what's the answer? Pick some place else. There are dozens of Virginia colleges that give a good education. Pump up one of them with some pride rather than denigrating the place they didn't get in. Maybe junior was close and just missed the cut. Maybe it wash't that close. In any case don't complain that they didn't take your kid. They take plenty of kids from plenty of schools in the area.

Anonymous wrote:PP here. No, I am neither an alum nor a parent of UVA. I just think the complaining is unfounded. As to the taxation question they receive $1000/kid/year, charge them $14,000/kid/year and probably spend about $35,000/kid/year educating them. So, they lose $20,000 on every in-state kid they take even if they are full pay. That's a pretty generous situation for every in-state kid there.

Then people complain that they can't get in. UVA says that 90 percent of the class was top 10% in their high school. Well 10% of the class is likely recruited athletes, of whom a majority were not in the top 10% in their high school grades. That means pretty much everyone else has to be for the statistic to fall in line. We have seen 50+ Mclean acceptances each of the past 3 years, and similar numbers reported from Marshall. Looks a lot like 10% of those classes got in. The one exception being TJ which goes much deeper than the 10 percent rule, and deservedly so. And it looks like their larger slice of the pie is coming out of the rest of the state. So, if your kid is top 10 percent at McLean, he's a good candidate. Same at Marshall, Madison, George Mason and Robinson. Langley too. But at Pulaski High he better be near number 1 because they sure aren't getting in at the 90th percentile unless they can block and tackle or hit a jump shot. Or some other explainable reason.

The people that complain the most are those whose kids are likely outside the top 10 percent. There just aren't enough seats once you fill the spots for the athletes, marching band, and first generation recruits for a high likelihood of acceptance below that threshold. And UVA doesn't seem to hide it. But everyone who pays taxes in the Commonwealth feels entitled to admission at the institution of their choosing.

So what's the answer? Pick some place else. There are dozens of Virginia colleges that give a good education. Pump up one of them with some pride rather than denigrating the place they didn't get in. Maybe junior was close and just missed the cut. Maybe it wash't that close. In any case don't complain that they didn't take your kid. They take plenty of kids from plenty of schools in the area.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the statistics that support your statement that far fewer nova students are accepted that from out of state or other parts of virginia? So far there is just a lot of anecdotal evidence about a poster's smart kid who did not got in. And considering the out of state enrollment is capped at 1/3, I question whether more out of state than nova students are accepted.

More out of state are accepted because fewer of them actually go.

Looking at the magazine article, the freshman class has
677 from Fairfax
220 from Loudoun
59 Arlington
34 Alexandria
8 Fairfax (city)
7 Falls Church


Not counting Prince William and Manassas, that's 1005 from NOVA. Class is 3,720 total and 2,475 of them are from instate.

27% of the freshman are from NOVA
40% of the instate freshman are from NOVA