Anonymous
08/08/2016 13:39
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The GOP has gone through post mortems before, and nothing changed.
This is worse than usual, but something tells me they will learn the wrong lessons and change essentially nothing.
I agree with this. In the post-mortem after Trump flops, here's what we'll see ...
Tea Party led by Cruz: "See! We lost because we didn't nominate someone Conservative enough! We need to nominate a far-right Conservative who hates gays, loves guns, attends church every Sunday, and wants to build a wall around liberal places like NYC! Like Ted Cruz ... yeah!"
Moderate Republicans: "See! We lost because we strayed too far from moderate big-tent norms. We chose someone who alienated Latinos and swing-state Republicans. We need to pick someone more centrist."
Young Republicans: "See! You picked the old guy, and he lost. A young guy like Marco Rubio would have done better!"
Every other fringe Republican group will also claim their ideals would have carried the day.
Trump is a weird and toxic mix of beliefs, so no one segment of the Republican party will be forced to carry the blame for him, and each of the factions will be able to claim it is the true heir to the Republican party. It's like Game of Thrones squabbling among the houses. Meanwhile, winter is coming in the form of 24+ years of Democratic dominance in the White House.
Yes they may go through a Ted Cruz phase after this. But that phase will be more respectful toward immigrants and minorities. That is the one unambiguous judgment on the trump experiment.
The funny thing is, if the GOP is looking for one new group of really conservative religious people (no sex before marriage, traditional gender roles, no abortion, strong family values) to recrui, they should *love* Muslim Americans. It makes no sense to alienate them.
Anonymous
08/08/2016 12:07
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The GOP has gone through post mortems before, and nothing changed.
This is worse than usual, but something tells me they will learn the wrong lessons and change essentially nothing.
+1 -- signed a Former Republican. So sad.
But to the other PP about GOP disintegrating, if that were to happen, we'd have essentially one political party left. The rest would end up being smaller factions. I am not against all liberal policies, but I don't want a one party system.
If GOP breaks, Democrats will follow, with Center and Left splitting, and Center becoming the 'new' GOP.
The GOP is what keeps Dem together now.
Most would argue that the Democratic Party has moved to the right since 1980. Clinton and Obama were essentially centrists and pragmatists, much to the disappointment of most progressives. Hell, even Obamacare was cribbed from.the Heritage Foundation and built on the foundations of Romneycare. If McConnell and the Republicans had acted rationally and in the best interests of our nation, the Tea Party Movement and its racist and nativist base would have remained at the fringes, and issues like immigration and the economy (stimulus spending) could have been addressed. Instead we got a "do nothing" Congress fixated on Benghazi and Cruz, Carson and Trump riding to prominence. A successful Obama Presidency could have been followed by a Jeb! presidency.
Anonymous
08/08/2016 12:00
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The GOP has gone through post mortems before, and nothing changed.
This is worse than usual, but something tells me they will learn the wrong lessons and change essentially nothing.
I agree with this. In the post-mortem after Trump flops, here's what we'll see ...
Tea Party led by Cruz: "See! We lost because we didn't nominate someone Conservative enough! We need to nominate a far-right Conservative who hates gays, loves guns, attends church every Sunday, and wants to build a wall around liberal places like NYC! Like Ted Cruz ... yeah!"
Moderate Republicans: "See! We lost because we strayed too far from moderate big-tent norms. We chose someone who alienated Latinos and swing-state Republicans. We need to pick someone more centrist."
Young Republicans: "See! You picked the old guy, and he lost. A young guy like Marco Rubio would have done better!"
Every other fringe Republican group will also claim their ideals would have carried the day.
Trump is a weird and toxic mix of beliefs, so no one segment of the Republican party will be forced to carry the blame for him, and each of the factions will be able to claim it is the true heir to the Republican party. It's like Game of Thrones squabbling among the houses. Meanwhile, winter is coming in the form of 24+ years of Democratic dominance in the White House.
Yes they may go through a Ted Cruz phase after this. But that phase will be more respectful toward immigrants and minorities. That is the one unambiguous judgment on the trump experiment.
Anonymous
08/08/2016 11:57
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Anonymous wrote:The GOP has gone through post mortems before, and nothing changed.
This is worse than usual, but something tells me they will learn the wrong lessons and change essentially nothing.
I agree with this. In the post-mortem after Trump flops, here's what we'll see ...
Tea Party led by Cruz: "See! We lost because we didn't nominate someone Conservative enough! We need to nominate a far-right Conservative who hates gays, loves guns, attends church every Sunday, and wants to build a wall around liberal places like NYC! Like Ted Cruz ... yeah!"
Moderate Republicans: "See! We lost because we strayed too far from moderate big-tent norms. We chose someone who alienated Latinos and swing-state Republicans. We need to pick someone more centrist."
Young Republicans: "See! You picked the old guy, and he lost. A young guy like Marco Rubio would have done better!"
Every other fringe Republican group will also claim their ideals would have carried the day.
Trump is a weird and toxic mix of beliefs, so no one segment of the Republican party will be forced to carry the blame for him, and each of the factions will be able to claim it is the true heir to the Republican party. It's like Game of Thrones squabbling among the houses. Meanwhile, winter is coming in the form of 24+ years of Democratic dominance in the White House.
Anonymous
08/08/2016 11:37
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Well, we need people on both sides willing to compromise. Because that is how our system works. Not this my way or the highway bullshit. And while both sides are guilty, one is worse than the other. I think ads would compromise if Rs gave them anything to work with.
Anonymous
08/08/2016 11:16
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The GOP has gone through post mortems before, and nothing changed.
This is worse than usual, but something tells me they will learn the wrong lessons and change essentially nothing.
+1 -- signed a Former Republican. So sad.
But to the other PP about GOP disintegrating, if that were to happen, we'd have essentially one political party left. The rest would end up being smaller factions. I am not against all liberal policies, but I don't want a one party system.
If GOP breaks, Democrats will follow, with Center and Left splitting, and Center becoming the 'new' GOP.
The GOP is what keeps Dem together now.
PP here. This scenario you mentioned sounds awesome. We need more centrists, not extremists on either side. If this were to happen, I'd go back to being a Republican. As it is right now, I am an Independent. And that vote is almost meaningless at times.
Anonymous
08/08/2016 11:15
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The GOP has gone through post mortems before, and nothing changed.
This is worse than usual, but something tells me they will learn the wrong lessons and change essentially nothing.
+1 -- signed a Former Republican. So sad.
But to the other PP about GOP disintegrating, if that were to happen, we'd have essentially one political party left. The rest would end up being smaller factions. I am not against all liberal policies, but I don't want a one party system.
If GOP breaks, Democrats will follow, with Center and Left splitting, and Center becoming the 'new' GOP.
The GOP is what keeps Dem together now.
Anonymous
08/08/2016 11:00
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Even if they did a great postmortem the base as it exists would reject it in favor of more insanity.
Anonymous
08/08/2016 10:34
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Anonymous wrote:The GOP has gone through post mortems before, and nothing changed.
This is worse than usual, but something tells me they will learn the wrong lessons and change essentially nothing.
+1 -- signed a Former Republican. So sad.
But to the other PP about GOP disintegrating, if that were to happen, we'd have essentially one political party left. The rest would end up being smaller factions. I am not against all liberal policies, but I don't want a one party system.
Anonymous
08/08/2016 10:32
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
The GOP has gone through post mortems before, and nothing changed.
This is worse than usual, but something tells me they will learn the wrong lessons and change essentially nothing.
This is worse than usual, but something tells me they will learn the wrong lessons and change essentially nothing.
Anonymous
08/08/2016 10:28
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Anonymous wrote:I feel kind of bad for the GOP, but for the good of the country Trump needs to be crushed. It just sets a very very bad precedent, that someone who does not read (most) books except his own and who "feasts on his own thoughts" can get so far.
The scariest thing he has ever said is "I, alone, can fix this"
Alone? Really? You don't even need the rest of the GOP?
Scary.
They can keep the senate and not much "bad" (according to GOP point of view) will come of it.
The only way the GOP will recover it's sanity is when Trump is crushed.
Anonymous
08/08/2016 09:47
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
I feel kind of bad for the GOP, but for the good of the country Trump needs to be crushed. It just sets a very very bad precedent, that someone who does not read (most) books except his own and who "feasts on his own thoughts" can get so far.
The scariest thing he has ever said is "I, alone, can fix this"
Alone? Really? You don't even need the rest of the GOP?
Scary.
They can keep the senate and not much "bad" (according to GOP point of view) will come of it.
The scariest thing he has ever said is "I, alone, can fix this"
Alone? Really? You don't even need the rest of the GOP?
Scary.
They can keep the senate and not much "bad" (according to GOP point of view) will come of it.
Anonymous
08/08/2016 07:06
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Anonymous
08/07/2016 22:44
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Anyone saw John Oliver yet this week? I'm betting it's FANTASTIC!
Anonymous
08/07/2016 15:37
Subject: Republican Party Abandoning Trump Train Wreck
Max Boot
Doug Elmerte
Charles Fried
James Kirchik
Robert Kagan
#CountryAboveParty
Doug Elmerte
Charles Fried
James Kirchik
Robert Kagan
#CountryAboveParty