Anonymous wrote:i think OP's ex posted a thread recently about "his daughter spending the summer with him in Poland, and asking for opinions about what other countries in Europe a teen girl would enjoy..."

Oooh juice .. Link?

i think OP's ex posted a thread recently about "his daughter spending the summer with him in Poland, and asking for opinions about what other countries in Europe a teen girl would enjoy..."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm with OP. I let my teen daughter travel to Europe once. She told me she was traveling there with a friend and staying at their home and that there would be adult supervision. When she got there she met an attractive guy at the airport and he drover her to the house she would be staying at. Later that night while I was talking to her on the phone that guy and some of his friends came back and broke into the house a kidnapped my daughter. I knew I needed to find her so I flew to Europe and met an old acquaintance who game me some guns and told me who the major traffickers were. I hunted them down and eventually I had to kill all of them but I found my daughter. I'm glad I was able to save her. Her mother; however, still doesn't think I was a very good father. She prefers the rich guy she married after she divorced me.

OMG you should totally make a movie out of this.

#slain

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He has our daughter for the summer. I just learned he basically gave her a bus pass and turned her loose on the streets of Warsaw, Poland. He says she's 17 and she'll be fine. It worries me sick that she'll get into trouble of some sort. He says she old enough and responsible enough to get out on her own. I have no idea where or who she's with, what she's up to. He refuses to understand she is still a child.

Or, he has confidence in her, wants to encourage her to develop, and thinks Warsaw is a fantastic city for a beautiful young woman to explore.

Don't ruin it and don't make it clear to her that you don't believe in her, don't trust her judgement and are basically jealous of her youth

Is this seriously a thing?

Yes, sadly. She and I don't speak anymore, but I can still hear my mother's words and the way she could simultaneously slut shame me and express envy of my looks, youth, freedom, choices, education, etc.

Women are taught from a very young age to compete with each other. It doesn't stop when you have kids, and it's not confined by age group.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He has our daughter for the summer. I just learned he basically gave her a bus pass and turned her loose on the streets of Warsaw, Poland. He says she's 17 and she'll be fine. It worries me sick that she'll get into trouble of some sort. He says she old enough and responsible enough to get out on her own. I have no idea where or who she's with, what she's up to. He refuses to understand she is still a child.

Or, he has confidence in her, wants to encourage her to develop, and thinks Warsaw is a fantastic city for a beautiful young woman to explore.

Don't ruin it and don't make it clear to her that you don't believe in her, don't trust her judgement and are basically jealous of her youth

Is this seriously a thing?

Anonymous wrote:I'm with OP. I let my teen daughter travel to Europe once. She told me she was traveling there with a friend and staying at their home and that there would be adult supervision. When she got there she met an attractive guy at the airport and he drover her to the house she would be staying at. Later that night while I was talking to her on the phone that guy and some of his friends came back and broke into the house a kidnapped my daughter. I knew I needed to find her so I flew to Europe and met an old acquaintance who game me some guns and told me who the major traffickers were. I hunted them down and eventually I had to kill all of them but I found my daughter. I'm glad I was able to save her. Her mother; however, still doesn't think I was a very good father. She prefers the rich guy she married after she divorced me.

OMG you should totally make a movie out of this.

Anonymous wrote:He has our daughter for the summer. I just learned he basically gave her a bus pass and turned her loose on the streets of Warsaw, Poland. He says she's 17 and she'll be fine. It worries me sick that she'll get into trouble of some sort. He says she old enough and responsible enough to get out on her own. I have no idea where or who she's with, what she's up to. He refuses to understand she is still a child.

Or, he has confidence in her, wants to encourage her to develop, and thinks Warsaw is a fantastic city for a beautiful young woman to explore.

Don't ruin it and don't make it clear to her that you don't believe in her, don't trust her judgement and are basically jealous of her youth

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Referring to the previous long post: Every post opposing the father is probably written by OP. There is only one person agreeing with OP and mentioning sex trafficking, and those are also probably OP. OP, get a life. Your child is moving out into the world and she is no longer under your control.

That could be true. I hadn't thought of that. Now I truly believe the OP is out of her mind...

I am the one that wrote about trafficking...and I am not the OP. I didn't respond to the op nor did I offer any opinions on their concerns or their ex. I wrote what I did because so many were being so cavalier with their opinions.

I agree. I read this thread as having two separate crazy people - OP, and someone who thinks she is knowledgeable about human trafficking and that people who actually work in the field and tell her she's wrong are lying.

Anyone else think this whole thing is a troll?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Referring to the previous long post: Every post opposing the father is probably written by OP. There is only one person agreeing with OP and mentioning sex trafficking, and those are also probably OP. OP, get a life. Your child is moving out into the world and she is no longer under your control.

That could be true. I hadn't thought of that. Now I truly believe the OP is out of her mind...

I am the one that wrote about trafficking...and I am not the OP. I didn't respond to the op nor did I offer any opinions on their concerns or their ex. I wrote what I did because so many were being so cavalier with their opinions.

About the only thing I hear about Warsaw danger comes form Poles who talk about the Praga district being rather "sketchy," but then they tell me that they are basing this on their experiences 20 - 30 years ago. Praga now is sort of the SoHo of Warsaw, an old industrial district that is a draw for artists and creative types.

The pictures that someone posted earlier are of the Old Town and Nowy Swiat. Much of Warsaw's Central Business District is in part of what was the Nazi Ghetto during WWII. It is all steel and glass skyscrapers.

Nightlife with the long summer days starts to kick off around 11 pm (the sun goes down around 9 pm), and the most popular hangouts are along the river.

Public transportation runs 24 hours. The only thing I would warn - and this would go for the U.S. as well - is to be aware of your surroundings and don't put yourself in a situation where you might be taken advantage of, i.e. keep your wits about you. No downing shots to the wee hours with the other students in the Pavillions.

The legal drinking age in Poland is 18.

Anonymous wrote:Referring to the previous long post: Every post opposing the father is probably written by OP. There is only one person agreeing with OP and mentioning sex trafficking, and those are also probably OP. OP, get a life. Your child is moving out into the world and she is no longer under your control.

I thought the same thing. Seems like clear sock puppeting.

I am glad OP is getting so much pushback because the idea that a 17 year old girl can't take the bus alone to her job is insane. I would think old enough for job - old enough to walk around without an chaperone. I know the 80s were a different time where parents behaved like selfish animals and make terrible decisions we all need to cry to our therapists about, but I managed to ride the bus in DC from 12 on and never got sold into slavery.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that she will be fine and that it will probably be a wonderful experience for her.

I also think that your ex should have discussed this with you proactively. This should not be something that you "just learn." It should be something that the three of you discuss as a group, including ground rules, safety tips, and contingency plans.

+ 1

First of all, a 17 year old is NOT an adult. Adults are 18. If the ex wanted to turn his 17 year old loose in another country, he should have discussed it with the OP.

I would take him to court over this.

The age of majority ranges from 15 to 21, depending on the jurisdiction. She's not living on her own. She is exercising independence that is congruent with her age. She is taking a bus to work and hanging out with friends her own age.

She's old enough to join the military and be sent to war. That means she is old enough to take a bus to work.

Anonymous wrote:Referring to the previous long post: Every post opposing the father is probably written by OP. There is only one person agreeing with OP and mentioning sex trafficking, and those are also probably OP. OP, get a life. Your child is moving out into the world and she is no longer under your control.

That could be true. I hadn't thought of that. Now I truly believe the OP is out of her mind...