Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many Trump supporters are being created by the California protestors. Images of them disrupting traffic, attacking Trump supporters and smashing police cars all while waving the Mexican flag seems to be tailor made to prove him right about immigration.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for Trump. I don't publicize my political views and don't think any of my friends or coworkers would ever guess. You can pretend that all of Trump's supporters are uneducated, racist, white men if it makes you feel better. You are lying to yourself though.

- female physician (and a minority too!)

My daughter-in-law is Hispanic, well educated and employed and she is a Trump supporter. She does not publicize it among other Hispanics whom she does not know well because there is this mindset that if a Hispanic supports Trump he is somehow betraying them. I think there are likely more Hispanics than is evident who will support Trump even if they are not vocal about it.

My neighbor is Hispanic and a Trump supporter. He was Rubio but Rubio is out

This is a lie. Or your neighbor is not aware who Trump actually is. No one could be that stupid. It's like a Jew voting for Hitler.

So Hitler was elected in an election. I.DID.NOT.KNOW.THAT.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/adolf-hitler-becomes-president-of-germany

"On this day in 1934, Adolf Hitler, already chancellor, is also elected president of Germany in an unprecedented consolidation of power in the short history of the republic."

You learn something new every day.

Sorry, Jeff, I thought I was being sarcastic.

Hindenburg, who owed his election the support of the Social Democrats, took office with little enthusiasm. On May 29 he dismissed his intercessor Chancellor Brüning and appointed Franz von Papen, a declared anti-democrat, his successor. Although Hitler lost the presidential election of 1932, he achieved his goals, when he was appointed chancellor on 30 January 1933. On February 27, Hindenburg paved the way to dictatorship and war by issuing the Reichstag Fire Decree which nullified civil liberties. Hitler succeeded Hindenburg as head of state upon his death in 1934, whereafter he abolished the office entirely, and replaced it with the new position of Führer und Reichskanzler ("Leader and Reich Chancellor"), cementing his rule.

The 1932 election was the second of only two direct presidential elections of the Weimar period. When after World War II the modern office of German Federal President was established in 1949, following the restoration of democracy in West Germany, it was decided that the president would be chosen indirectly by means of a Federal Convention consisting of parliamentarians and state delegates. To date, therefore, the 1932 election was the last occasion on which a direct presidential election has occurred in Germany.

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trump supporter.

But after seeing the lies spread about Sander's supporters, I don't reflexively believe the worst about the Trump voters anymore just because someone on the other team says so.

This will not end up with me voting for Trump under any circumstances, but I'll be happy to point out bullshit when I see people being smeared by the same tactics pointed at me the past 10 months.

p.s. just to note, I'm not referring to DCUM, where the discussion has been mostly terrific and fun.

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Anonymous wrote:embarrassed to say it too loud, but you have one here too.

Why are you embarrassed?

Anonymous wrote:embarrassed to say it too loud, but you have one here too.

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Anonymous wrote:The type of demonstrations that took place in California this afternoon protesting Trump's speech at the CAGOP will increase the support for Trump among those who are on the fence. Played on TV repeatedly and exploited by Trump it will turn even more people in his support.

The thought that also passed my mind was why these 200-300 people protesting were not at work or at school.

I was thoroughly disgusted at the protests last night and those today. And, yes, it will increase support for Trump. Do these people protesting not understand that?
As they chanted, destroyed police cars, beat Trump supporters, and waved the Mexican flag, it made me like Trump just a little bit more.
These people certainly have a right to protest, but not a right to destroy cars and hurt others.

It made me feel proud. It made me want to go out there and protest against Trump myself. No jumping on cars or fist fights, obviously, but I would feel really good about holding some anti-Trump signs and shouting. i think he is a dangerous and menacing figure in America right now, and if he wins I will feel that I at least made an effort to voice some strong, strong dislike for him before it's too late. Like, I could brag to my grandchildren that I had stood up to him while others just thought, "What a douche bag" and let him get elected.

My kids won't let me go to any protests, though.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for Trump. I don't publicize my political views and don't think any of my friends or coworkers would ever guess. You can pretend that all of Trump's supporters are uneducated, racist, white men if it makes you feel better. You are lying to yourself though.

- female physician (and a minority too!)

My daughter-in-law is Hispanic, well educated and employed and she is a Trump supporter. She does not publicize it among other Hispanics whom she does not know well because there is this mindset that if a Hispanic supports Trump he is somehow betraying them. I think there are likely more Hispanics than is evident who will support Trump even if they are not vocal about it.

My neighbor is Hispanic and a Trump supporter. He was Rubio but Rubio is out

This is a lie. Or your neighbor is not aware who Trump actually is. No one could be that stupid. It's like a Jew voting for Hitler.

So Hitler was elected in an election. I.DID.NOT.KNOW.THAT.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/adolf-hitler-becomes-president-of-germany

"On this day in 1934, Adolf Hitler, already chancellor, is also elected president of Germany in an unprecedented consolidation of power in the short history of the republic."

You learn something new every day.

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Anonymous wrote:The type of demonstrations that took place in California this afternoon protesting Trump's speech at the CAGOP will increase the support for Trump among those who are on the fence. Played on TV repeatedly and exploited by Trump it will turn even more people in his support.

The thought that also passed my mind was why these 200-300 people protesting were not at work or at school.

I was thoroughly disgusted at the protests last night and those today. And, yes, it will increase support for Trump. Do these people protesting not understand that?
As they chanted, destroyed police cars, beat Trump supporters, and waved the Mexican flag, it made me like Trump just a little bit more.
These people certainly have a right to protest, but not a right to destroy cars and hurt others.

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for Trump. I don't publicize my political views and don't think any of my friends or coworkers would ever guess. You can pretend that all of Trump's supporters are uneducated, racist, white men if it makes you feel better. You are lying to yourself though.

- female physician (and a minority too!)

My daughter-in-law is Hispanic, well educated and employed and she is a Trump supporter. She does not publicize it among other Hispanics whom she does not know well because there is this mindset that if a Hispanic supports Trump he is somehow betraying them. I think there are likely more Hispanics than is evident who will support Trump even if they are not vocal about it.

My neighbor is Hispanic and a Trump supporter. He was Rubio but Rubio is out

This is a lie. Or your neighbor is not aware who Trump actually is. No one could be that stupid. It's like a Jew voting for Hitler.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't love Trump and think he's said some pretty stupid things. That being said, some of it has been twisted by the media. If you look at his actual positions, he's more moderate than any of the candidates. And for the Muslim poster- he never said he'd prohibit Muslims from entering the country. He said he's put a moratorium on it until we can do better background checks. I fully support this- look at what's been happening in Europe.

I voted for Obama twice and I'll vote for Trump if he's the nominee. If it were between Cruz and Hillary, I'd either sit out this race or hold my nose and vote for Hillary.

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The media must think most of voters have a IQ of 90 or lower that they can trick them to believe something that Trump never said. This is what I am hearing from the media - "Donald Trump wants to ban all 1.6 billion Muslims based on their religion". Give me a break. I am voting for Trump partly because of the biased media coverage against him.

Because a "moratorium" is sooo different.

Yes, a moratorium while the screening process is reviewed and strengthened to prevent ir at the least minimize security risks from entering the country is not racist or bigoted. It is commonsense.

It is hard to argue that a "moratorium" aimed at an entire religious group -- and only one religious group -- is not bigoted.

In all honesty, I struggle with this. Yes, you are right it effectively includes 1.5 billion people who are from various countries and backgrounds which does not make sense. But, I posted previously about my Muslim neighbor who every time there is an attack looks to find out if it is a Muslim that was involved and is relieved when it is not. Perhaps, out of a sense of self-preservation, he supports Trump's demand for tighter screening of Muslims. He is a citizen and he believes that another major attack in the US by Muslims will likely result in a serious backlash against all Muslims.

As another pp posted, the vast majority of attacks do emanate from Muslims - even if those doing the attacking is a miniscule portion of the population - so what is the answer to minimizing the security risk posed by entrants to the US?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't love Trump and think he's said some pretty stupid things. That being said, some of it has been twisted by the media. If you look at his actual positions, he's more moderate than any of the candidates. And for the Muslim poster- he never said he'd prohibit Muslims from entering the country. He said he's put a moratorium on it until we can do better background checks. I fully support this- look at what's been happening in Europe.

I voted for Obama twice and I'll vote for Trump if he's the nominee. If it were between Cruz and Hillary, I'd either sit out this race or hold my nose and vote for Hillary.

+1

The media must think most of voters have a IQ of 90 or lower that they can trick them to believe something that Trump never said. This is what I am hearing from the media - "Donald Trump wants to ban all 1.6 billion Muslims based on their religion". Give me a break. I am voting for Trump partly because of the biased media coverage against him.

Because a "moratorium" is sooo different.

Yes, a moratorium while the screening process is reviewed and strengthened to prevent ir at the least minimize security risks from entering the country is not racist or bigoted. It is commonsense.

It is hard to argue that a "moratorium" aimed at an entire religious group -- and only one religious group -- is not bigoted.

Anonymous wrote:The type of demonstrations that took place in California this afternoon protesting Trump's speech at the CAGOP will increase the support for Trump among those who are on the fence. Played on TV repeatedly and exploited by Trump it will turn even more people in his support.

The thought that also passed my mind was why these 200-300 people protesting were not at work or at school.