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Anonymous wrote:18.29 - but please explain to me (I'm asking nicely, no snark) why 1) the necessity of the body of Christ on the cross and on necklaces; 2) the statues that do indeed adorn Catholic churches- I do see these as graven images; 3) the Saints - no mention in the bible; 4) the adoration or worship or whatever you want to call it of Mary - also not in the ible so I just don't get it - people says she's "revered not worshipped" - I don't undersand the difference; 5) and how do the saints and Mary intercede? That's not in the bible either. I guess I don't buy Transsubstantiation either so I'm probably a hopeless protestant but am curious.

Not sure what bible you've been reading but everything you say isn't in the bible absolutely is.

Please provide citations then. I know the Bible very well. Catholic theology is filled with things that cannot be substantiated Biblically.

There is an entire post about this a page back.

Only one misused scriptural passage in that.

How was it "misused?" And you didn't respond to the post that reminded you that the church is the one that assembled the bible to begin with.

No, I didn't. That would require a history lesson that I doubt anyone on here is willing to undertake. But much of Catholic doctrine that is taught today was formalized many centuries after the apostles spread the Gospel of Christ through the world. The early church knew nothing of, and wrote nothing of, transubstantiation, the veneration of "saints," the immaculate conception, papal infallibility and much else. In fact, the Catholic Bible in use today has about 12 books that are not in the Protestant Bible. If you read the Book of Acts, there is nothing at all recognizable as what the Roman Catholic church looks like today. The very idea of a canon of Scripture is so that you can recognize what is Biblical Christianity and what is not. If all you have to appeal to is church "tradition" and can't find it in Scripture, then I would ask why it wasn't written down in Scripture, to which Christians look as the authority on the life and teachings of Christ.

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Anonymous wrote:18.29 - but please explain to me (I'm asking nicely, no snark) why 1) the necessity of the body of Christ on the cross and on necklaces; 2) the statues that do indeed adorn Catholic churches- I do see these as graven images; 3) the Saints - no mention in the bible; 4) the adoration or worship or whatever you want to call it of Mary - also not in the ible so I just don't get it - people says she's "revered not worshipped" - I don't undersand the difference; 5) and how do the saints and Mary intercede? That's not in the bible either. I guess I don't buy Transsubstantiation either so I'm probably a hopeless protestant but am curious.

Not sure what bible you've been reading but everything you say isn't in the bible absolutely is.

Please provide citations then. I know the Bible very well. Catholic theology is filled with things that cannot be substantiated Biblically.

There is an entire post about this a page back.

Only one misused scriptural passage in that.

Misused because it isn't interpreted the way you do right?

No. It's misused to build an entire belief system that you should appeal to saints who will appeal to you before God. References to "saints" in the New Testament merely means "believers in Christ." Catholic doctrine has built up an entire extra-biblical belief that there are some sort of super-saints who were extra holy and have a better standing before God than most men. Here is the fuller passage in Ephesians 4 that was quoted more briefly: "And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to tthe unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes."

The mere concept of dead men appealing to us before God is unbiblical. 1 Timothy 2:5 says, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ." To appeal to the saints for help is to demean the power and sufficiency of Christ, and it cannot be supported Biblically. This passage of Ephesians 4 does not do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Bitch, please. There is no way in hell any priest gave you dispensation to live in sin. Absolutely no way. I know that post has to be a joke by someone who was likely raised in an ultra religious home but since lapsed and cracking fun.

I'm a lapsed Catholic. If this is legit and indeed you somehow got a dispensation and are somehow unmarried living with children in the house, yet you setup a makeshift altar in your living room? Waste of your time because you are already fast tracked to hell with your premarital sex action. Honestly as a lapsed Catholic I'm even offended. I don't practice anymore but don't live in sin with KIDS in the house and call yourself Catholic. It's ridiculous.

I think you may have missed that there are apparently two Catholic PPs who live in the same house with their fiances.

The first said her priest gave her some kind of dispensation because of the specificities of her situation. We were not privy to the status of her sexual relations with the fiance, but the assumption was that they were active and everyone called her out on the priest giving a dispensation that is not possible, particularly as children are involved.

The second PP says she lived with her fiance before marriage and her priest was fine with it because they were sexually abstinent. We are presuming, I think rightly, that no children were involved. A couple of Catholics have defended the latter. As a Catholic I join in with them and believe it is no one's business to judge the living arrangement. I am generally not okay with any couple living together without marriage where children are involved because of the potential ill effects on the children.

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Anonymous wrote:Bitch, please. There is no way in hell any priest gave you dispensation to live in sin. Absolutely no way. I know that post has to be a joke by someone who was likely raised in an ultra religious home but since lapsed and cracking fun.

I'm a lapsed Catholic. If this is legit and indeed you somehow got a dispensation and are somehow unmarried living with children in the house, yet you setup a makeshift altar in your living room? Waste of your time because you are already fast tracked to hell with your premarital sex action. Honestly as a lapsed Catholic I'm even offended. I don't practice anymore but don't live in sin with KIDS in the house and call yourself Catholic. It's ridiculous.

I think you may have missed that there are apparently two Catholic PPs who live in the same house with their fiances.

The first said her priest gave her some kind of dispensation because of the specificities of her situation. We were not privy to the status of her sexual relations with the fiance, but the assumption was that they were active and everyone called her out on the priest giving a dispensation that is not possible, particularly as children are involved.

The second PP says she lived with her fiance before marriage and her priest was fine with it because they were sexually abstinent. We are presuming, I think rightly, that no children were involved. A couple of Catholics have defended the latter. As a Catholic I join in with them and believe it is no one's business to judge the living arrangement. I am generally not okay with any couple living together without marriage where children are involved because of the potential ill effects on the children.

Bitch, please. There is no way in hell any priest gave you dispensation to live in sin. Absolutely no way. I know that post has to be a joke by someone who was likely raised in an ultra religious home but since lapsed and cracking fun.

I'm a lapsed Catholic. If this is legit and indeed you somehow got a dispensation and are somehow unmarried living with children in the house, yet you setup a makeshift altar in your living room? Waste of your time because you are already fast tracked to hell with your premarital sex action. Honestly as a lapsed Catholic I'm even offended. I don't practice anymore but don't live in sin with KIDS in the house and call yourself Catholic. It's ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Small ones in each bedroom. There's a holy water font on the wall next to front door so we can bless ourselves as we leave. Our family altar in in the dining room. It's pretty discrete and fellow Catholic tend to notice it more than non-Catholics. There are bibles and small religious statutes in each room. My DD each have a 3 inch guardian angel in unglazed cream colored pottery. I have a small statue of Mary. My fiancé has a wooden carved portrait of St. Joseph that he got when he became a stepfather. Everyone has a bedside Bible. There is a Bible in the living room. I also have a Missal with the Offices in print in our bedroom, but prefer to use Divine Office on my iPhone. There's a Catholic calendar next to DD#2's bed because she's a lector. We have a small framed portrait for each patron saint (baptismal name and/or confirmation name), one of St. JPII, and one of Pope Emeritus Benedict, and one of His Holiness Francis. On any given day, you'll see 4 rosaries in various stages of use. I also tend to forget to put back on my scapular immediately after my morning shower, so that might be on the back of the bathroom door. There is blessed salt in the kitchen. We are NOT the most devout family we know either.

Wait, your fiancé? You have that much Catholicism going on and you are living in sin with children?

I caught that too, that's why I thought it was a joke post.

No joke. Our priest knows. He knows that we have extenuating circumstances and are in the annulment process. He's less judgy than random strangers on DCUM I guess.

There is no such thing as extenuating circumstances. I can't imagine this being allowed.

I lived with my fiance before marriage and my priest was fine with it because we weren't having sex.

How strange. We're also supposed to avoid the appearance of sin.

NP but they said a priest gave them dispensation.

Yes, but what did their non-believing neighbors think? I assure you, they thought this "Christian" couple was having sex. Their Christian friends who may not be as strong in their faith might have thought having sex was ok. It's just not a good situation.

It doesn't matter what their neighbors thought nor is it their neighbors business. They were not committing a sin.

It's not a sin, but it does matter. Are you a Christian?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Thessalonians+5%3A22&version=KJV

Yes I am Catholic.

If you have to avoid the appearance of sin I wouldn't have been able to go to my boyfriend's house to watch a movie unchaperoned before we were married. Anyone that knows us knows that there's no sin, and those that question and judge should get their own judgy, stone throwing, glass house living, house in order before worrying about mine.

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Anonymous wrote:Small ones in each bedroom. There's a holy water font on the wall next to front door so we can bless ourselves as we leave. Our family altar in in the dining room. It's pretty discrete and fellow Catholic tend to notice it more than non-Catholics. There are bibles and small religious statutes in each room. My DD each have a 3 inch guardian angel in unglazed cream colored pottery. I have a small statue of Mary. My fiancé has a wooden carved portrait of St. Joseph that he got when he became a stepfather. Everyone has a bedside Bible. There is a Bible in the living room. I also have a Missal with the Offices in print in our bedroom, but prefer to use Divine Office on my iPhone. There's a Catholic calendar next to DD#2's bed because she's a lector. We have a small framed portrait for each patron saint (baptismal name and/or confirmation name), one of St. JPII, and one of Pope Emeritus Benedict, and one of His Holiness Francis. On any given day, you'll see 4 rosaries in various stages of use. I also tend to forget to put back on my scapular immediately after my morning shower, so that might be on the back of the bathroom door. There is blessed salt in the kitchen. We are NOT the most devout family we know either.

Wait, your fiancé? You have that much Catholicism going on and you are living in sin with children?

I caught that too, that's why I thought it was a joke post.

No joke. Our priest knows. He knows that we have extenuating circumstances and are in the annulment process. He's less judgy than random strangers on DCUM I guess.

There is no such thing as extenuating circumstances. I can't imagine this being allowed.

I lived with my fiance before marriage and my priest was fine with it because we weren't having sex.

How strange. We're also supposed to avoid the appearance of sin.

NP but they said a priest gave them dispensation.

Yes, but what did their non-believing neighbors think? I assure you, they thought this "Christian" couple was having sex. Their Christian friends who may not be as strong in their faith might have thought having sex was ok. It's just not a good situation.

It doesn't matter what their neighbors thought nor is it their neighbors business. They were not committing a sin.

It's not a sin, but it does matter. Are you a Christian?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Thessalonians+5%3A22&version=KJV

Yes I am Catholic.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh good someone brought up Leviticus the book judgey Christians love to ignore ... unless it furthers their hate of something. In this threads it's hate against Catholics.

LOL, another progressive Christian or atheist who thinks the only mention of homosexuality in the Bible is in Leviticus.

I wasn't talking about homosexuality I was talking about all the things Christians ignore while spouting other rules as truth. Interesting that is the first place your mind went though. I'm a devout Catholic btw.

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Anonymous wrote:Practicing Catholics with exactly ZERO crucifixes. We have a small cross purchased from our sister parish in Latin America which hangs in our kitchen. That's it. We are not showy about our religion.

LOL, having things in your house is being showy?

To me, yes. I personally don't need to hang crucifixes and pictures of Mary and Jesus and have statues of saints in my home. My home is not a church. But whatever floats your boat.

Do you have any pictures in your house? Pictures of your kids, etc.?

We have pictures of what is important to us, showy or not. And your house should be a little church!

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Anonymous wrote:Practicing Catholics with exactly ZERO crucifixes. We have a small cross purchased from our sister parish in Latin America which hangs in our kitchen. That's it. We are not showy about our religion.

LOL, having things in your house is being showy?

To me, yes. I personally don't need to hang crucifixes and pictures of Mary and Jesus and have statues of saints in my home. My home is not a church. But whatever floats your boat.

Anonymous wrote:Oh good someone brought up Leviticus the book judgey Christians love to ignore ... unless it furthers their hate of something. In this threads it's hate against Catholics.

LOL, another progressive Christian or atheist who thinks the only mention of homosexuality in the Bible is in Leviticus.

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Anonymous wrote:Small ones in each bedroom. There's a holy water font on the wall next to front door so we can bless ourselves as we leave. Our family altar in in the dining room. It's pretty discrete and fellow Catholic tend to notice it more than non-Catholics. There are bibles and small religious statutes in each room. My DD each have a 3 inch guardian angel in unglazed cream colored pottery. I have a small statue of Mary. My fiancé has a wooden carved portrait of St. Joseph that he got when he became a stepfather. Everyone has a bedside Bible. There is a Bible in the living room. I also have a Missal with the Offices in print in our bedroom, but prefer to use Divine Office on my iPhone. There's a Catholic calendar next to DD#2's bed because she's a lector. We have a small framed portrait for each patron saint (baptismal name and/or confirmation name), one of St. JPII, and one of Pope Emeritus Benedict, and one of His Holiness Francis. On any given day, you'll see 4 rosaries in various stages of use. I also tend to forget to put back on my scapular immediately after my morning shower, so that might be on the back of the bathroom door. There is blessed salt in the kitchen. We are NOT the most devout family we know either.

Wait, your fiancé? You have that much Catholicism going on and you are living in sin with children?

I caught that too, that's why I thought it was a joke post.

No joke. Our priest knows. He knows that we have extenuating circumstances and are in the annulment process. He's less judgy than random strangers on DCUM I guess.

There is no such thing as extenuating circumstances. I can't imagine this being allowed.

I lived with my fiance before marriage and my priest was fine with it because we weren't having sex.

How strange. We're also supposed to avoid the appearance of sin.

NP but they said a priest gave them dispensation.

Yes, but what did their non-believing neighbors think? I assure you, they thought this "Christian" couple was having sex. Their Christian friends who may not be as strong in their faith might have thought having sex was ok. It's just not a good situation.

It doesn't matter what their neighbors thought nor is it their neighbors business. They were not committing a sin.

It's not a sin, but it does matter. Are you a Christian?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Thessalonians+5%3A22&version=KJV

Oh good someone brought up Leviticus the book judgey Christians love to ignore ... unless it furthers their hate of something. In this threads it's hate against Catholics.

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Anonymous wrote:Small ones in each bedroom. There's a holy water font on the wall next to front door so we can bless ourselves as we leave. Our family altar in in the dining room. It's pretty discrete and fellow Catholic tend to notice it more than non-Catholics. There are bibles and small religious statutes in each room. My DD each have a 3 inch guardian angel in unglazed cream colored pottery. I have a small statue of Mary. My fiancé has a wooden carved portrait of St. Joseph that he got when he became a stepfather. Everyone has a bedside Bible. There is a Bible in the living room. I also have a Missal with the Offices in print in our bedroom, but prefer to use Divine Office on my iPhone. There's a Catholic calendar next to DD#2's bed because she's a lector. We have a small framed portrait for each patron saint (baptismal name and/or confirmation name), one of St. JPII, and one of Pope Emeritus Benedict, and one of His Holiness Francis. On any given day, you'll see 4 rosaries in various stages of use. I also tend to forget to put back on my scapular immediately after my morning shower, so that might be on the back of the bathroom door. There is blessed salt in the kitchen. We are NOT the most devout family we know either.

Wait, your fiancé? You have that much Catholicism going on and you are living in sin with children?

I caught that too, that's why I thought it was a joke post.

No joke. Our priest knows. He knows that we have extenuating circumstances and are in the annulment process. He's less judgy than random strangers on DCUM I guess.

There is no such thing as extenuating circumstances. I can't imagine this being allowed.

I lived with my fiance before marriage and my priest was fine with it because we weren't having sex.

How strange. We're also supposed to avoid the appearance of sin.

NP but they said a priest gave them dispensation.

Yes, but what did their non-believing neighbors think? I assure you, they thought this "Christian" couple was having sex. Their Christian friends who may not be as strong in their faith might have thought having sex was ok. It's just not a good situation.

It doesn't matter what their neighbors thought nor is it their neighbors business. They were not committing a sin.

Anonymous wrote:Practicing Catholics with exactly ZERO crucifixes. We have a small cross purchased from our sister parish in Latin America which hangs in our kitchen. That's it. We are not showy about our religion.

LOL, having things in your house is being showy?