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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone else read this? I don't think this is fair for us to be able to come up with money to pay $64,000 per refugee to relocate them to the US when we have so many homeless families and Vets here already and so many poor people here already struggling to eat. Does anyone else agree with this?

http://freebeacon.com/issues/resettling-middle-eastern-refugees-costs-taxpayers-64370-per-refugee/

What makes absolutely no sense to me is to do this while at the same time breaking families who have been peacefully among us for years, especially when deporting the parents of American children.

President Obama has been a huge disappointment to many of us, and his anti-Latino policies will be remembered

This! Obama is a joke and we're tired of his snake oil. He wants to promise everything to everybody and hope we're all stupid enough to believe him. You have hardworking Latino families here, poor African Americans here, homeless veterans here. Let's take care of them before we entertain Obama's impossible, and, quite frankly, cruel, promises. Shame on him.

Dude, simmer the fuck down. We've only brought a handful of Syrians into the country in the last 3 years. Not even 200. It's not as though program funding for everything else is running dry as a result.

Wrong again. According to NYT it is 1800 - not to mention the thousands of refugees not from Syria that the administration has brought in.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/21/us/where-syrian-refugees-are-in-the-united-states.html?_r=0

Thank you for providing the true numbers. Someone else is a liar.

According to the official STATE DEPARTMENT data, it was only around 200 since 2012.

Incorrect accordingly to the Department of Health and Human Services website. We took in 60,000 refugees in 2013 alone - with 19,000 being from Iraq.

http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table14d_5.xls

Crap, if we had not blasted their infrastructure in the name of Halliburton, there would be no need for 19,000 Iraqi refugees. You break it, you own it.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone else read this? I don't think this is fair for us to be able to come up with money to pay $64,000 per refugee to relocate them to the US when we have so many homeless families and Vets here already and so many poor people here already struggling to eat. Does anyone else agree with this?

http://freebeacon.com/issues/resettling-middle-eastern-refugees-costs-taxpayers-64370-per-refugee/

What makes absolutely no sense to me is to do this while at the same time breaking families who have been peacefully among us for years, especially when deporting the parents of American children.

President Obama has been a huge disappointment to many of us, and his anti-Latino policies will be remembered

This! Obama is a joke and we're tired of his snake oil. He wants to promise everything to everybody and hope we're all stupid enough to believe him. You have hardworking Latino families here, poor African Americans here, homeless veterans here. Let's take care of them before we entertain Obama's impossible, and, quite frankly, cruel, promises. Shame on him.

Are you the same poster who screams about Obama taking money out of your pocket. Exactly which one of your described groups do you really care about. Do you also lament that your schools have too many FARMS or ESOLs and money should not be spent on them, yet you don't want your kids in the same school? Other than your church, how much money or time do you spend helping these people you now purport to care about?

Anonymous wrote:The article on the water in Flynt Michigan in today's Post made me so sad. I am so ready to spend money on America's infrastructure (including schools and health) for American citizens.

+1,000,000

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone else read this? I don't think this is fair for us to be able to come up with money to pay $64,000 per refugee to relocate them to the US when we have so many homeless families and Vets here already and so many poor people here already struggling to eat. Does anyone else agree with this?

http://freebeacon.com/issues/resettling-middle-eastern-refugees-costs-taxpayers-64370-per-refugee/

What makes absolutely no sense to me is to do this while at the same time breaking families who have been peacefully among us for years, especially when deporting the parents of American children.

President Obama has been a huge disappointment to many of us, and his anti-Latino policies will be remembered

This! Obama is a joke and we're tired of his snake oil. He wants to promise everything to everybody and hope we're all stupid enough to believe him. You have hardworking Latino families here, poor African Americans here, homeless veterans here. Let's take care of them before we entertain Obama's impossible, and, quite frankly, cruel, promises. Shame on him.

Dude, simmer the fuck down. We've only brought a handful of Syrians into the country in the last 3 years. Not even 200. It's not as though program funding for everything else is running dry as a result.

Wrong again. According to NYT it is 1800 - not to mention the thousands of refugees not from Syria that the administration has brought in.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/21/us/where-syrian-refugees-are-in-the-united-states.html?_r=0

Thank you for providing the true numbers. Someone else is a liar.

According to the official STATE DEPARTMENT data, it was only around 200 since 2012.

Incorrect accordingly to the Department of Health and Human Services website. We took in 60,000 refugees in 2013 alone - with 19,000 being from Iraq.

http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/table14d_5.xls

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/texas-man-charged-attempting-provide-material-support-isil

The DOJ link is above. He was a refugee and got permanent legal status. Pick a crime-he was willing to commit and aid and abet.

And this ingrate isn't an example? Call it refugee, call it visa. And here's that "refugee" and his accomplice plus some relatives:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/us/terror-charges-refugees/

I have responded numerous times to this. I am not questioning whether these two exist, whether they have been charged or whether they were refugees.

I will say that

1) They have not committed a terrorist attack, they are charged with attempting to help ISIS. This is terrible, its great that they are being charged. This is the system working. We screen and then these people are under higher scrutiny. These people were caught. The system is working.

2) These were both Palistinians who were born in Iraq who came long before the current crisis. Just pointing out that this is not an example of an evil Syrian refugee for anyone who doesn't click the ink.

3) I know this probably doesn't matter to you at all. But our justice system DOES work on the presumption of innocence and neither of these people have been convicted yet. In fact a quote from the DOJ release: "An indictment is merely a formal charging document and is not evidence of guilt. Every defendant is presumed innocent until and unless proven guilty."

Oh I feel so much better. He was only trying to help Isis.

And the Somalis were part of the refugee program and try telling the man they brutally murdered for hours that they didn't commit any act of "terror." Sure sounds like terror to me.

A 'terrorist attack' is a real thing not simply applied to any act where someone happens to feel terrified. How many home grown americans murder someone every day? That is just crime, it happens. I'm not defending it but it was not a terrorist act.

But now that you've just reduced yourself to emotional arguments I hope others can see that you aren't telling the truth.

"Al-Hardan was charged with providing material support to the Islamic State militant group and for making false statements about ties to the group when seeking U.S. naturalization, according to an indictment in federal court in Houston unsealed on Thursday."

Do you not consider providing material support to Isis as a terrorist act? One can only imagine what they had plans to do here if they were helping Isis. I do no think it is I that is not telling the truth about the facts. You are trying to create smoke and mirrors to cover it up. What about the men arrested in Rochester, NY for plotting to kill people on New Year's?

I'm sick of looking up links for you people. If you want to throw out an event in Rochester, link to a source.

He could have provided support to ISIS anywhere. There was no act that endangered people. He should be deported for supporting ISIS hands down but he was caught by the authorities before anything happened. Its not smoke and mirrors to say that the terrorists in Paris shot a whole bunch of people and nothing comparable has happened here.

It is REALLY hard to get into the US as a refugee. There are MUCH easier ways. And what none of you have acknowledged is that most incidents that happen with refugees happen long after they've immigrated. Their radicalization happened WHILE THEY WERE IN AMERICA. The Texas guy immigrated from Palistine in 2009! Maybe people like you should acknowledge how your attitudes are contributing to growing terrorists on our own soil instead of making spurious connections. Even if I gave you the Texas guys full and out AND the somalis from Maine it would be an incident rate of .00000076% of refugees entered since 2001. The idea that you would turn people away based on off THAT level of risk is just disgusting an cowardly.

I actually believe this statement. Heck, the best, fastest, and easiest way to get a terrorist into the US is through Mexico not the visa or refugee program. Just walk across the border.

The article on the water in Flynt Michigan in today's Post made me so sad. I am so ready to spend money on America's infrastructure (including schools and health) for American citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone else read this? I don't think this is fair for us to be able to come up with money to pay $64,000 per refugee to relocate them to the US when we have so many homeless families and Vets here already and so many poor people here already struggling to eat. Does anyone else agree with this?

http://freebeacon.com/issues/resettling-middle-eastern-refugees-costs-taxpayers-64370-per-refugee/

What makes absolutely no sense to me is to do this while at the same time breaking families who have been peacefully among us for years, especially when deporting the parents of American children.

President Obama has been a huge disappointment to many of us, and his anti-Latino policies will be remembered

This! Obama is a joke and we're tired of his snake oil. He wants to promise everything to everybody and hope we're all stupid enough to believe him. You have hardworking Latino families here, poor African Americans here, homeless veterans here. Let's take care of them before we entertain Obama's impossible, and, quite frankly, cruel, promises. Shame on him.

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What difference to America's "poor African Americans, hardworking Latinos and homeless veterans" and other suffering Americans would it make if we didn't take refugees in? The right wing would only continue to piss on them anyhow.

Like they are pissing on Ben Carson, Marco Rubio and John McCain? I'm pretty sure the right wing wants to do right by poor AAs hardworking Latinos and veterans, so they can all have opportunities. How's that Rahm Emmanuel working out for the poor AAs in Chicago btw?

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They are guests and enjoying the benefits of living in the USA. I'm using guest not as guest worker but as a term for a person who is not a citizen. I'm not addressing all refugees or holders of visas but am expressing a sense of disgust that people are abusing our system. You are defending these ISIS supporters. Supporters of ISIS could leave the USA.

Should leave America, as in, escorted out.

Maybe we should have done the same for your own immigrant ancestors.

Np. If your ancestors were antagonistic towards Americans, they were likely sent home.

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They are guests and enjoying the benefits of living in the USA. I'm using guest not as guest worker but as a term for a person who is not a citizen. I'm not addressing all refugees or holders of visas but am expressing a sense of disgust that people are abusing our system. You are defending these ISIS supporters. Supporters of ISIS could leave the USA.

Should leave America, as in, escorted out.

Maybe we should have done the same for your own immigrant ancestors.

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They are guests and enjoying the benefits of living in the USA. I'm using guest not as guest worker but as a term for a person who is not a citizen. I'm not addressing all refugees or holders of visas but am expressing a sense of disgust that people are abusing our system. You are defending these ISIS supporters. Supporters of ISIS could leave the USA.

Should leave America, as in, escorted out.

They are guests and enjoying the benefits of living in the USA. I'm using guest not as guest worker but as a term for a person who is not a citizen. I'm not addressing all refugees or holders of visas but am expressing a sense of disgust that people are abusing our system. You are defending these ISIS supporters. Supporters of ISIS could leave the USA.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone else read this? I don't think this is fair for us to be able to come up with money to pay $64,000 per refugee to relocate them to the US when we have so many homeless families and Vets here already and so many poor people here already struggling to eat. Does anyone else agree with this?

http://freebeacon.com/issues/resettling-middle-eastern-refugees-costs-taxpayers-64370-per-refugee/

What makes absolutely no sense to me is to do this while at the same time breaking families who have been peacefully among us for years, especially when deporting the parents of American children.

President Obama has been a huge disappointment to many of us, and his anti-Latino policies will be remembered

This! Obama is a joke and we're tired of his snake oil. He wants to promise everything to everybody and hope we're all stupid enough to believe him. You have hardworking Latino families here, poor African Americans here, homeless veterans here. Let's take care of them before we entertain Obama's impossible, and, quite frankly, cruel, promises. Shame on him.

Tell me:
What difference to America's "poor African Americans, hardworking Latinos and homeless veterans" and other suffering Americans would it make if we didn't take refugees in? The right wing would only continue to piss on them anyhow.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone else read this? I don't think this is fair for us to be able to come up with money to pay $64,000 per refugee to relocate them to the US when we have so many homeless families and Vets here already and so many poor people here already struggling to eat. Does anyone else agree with this?

http://freebeacon.com/issues/resettling-middle-eastern-refugees-costs-taxpayers-64370-per-refugee/

What makes absolutely no sense to me is to do this while at the same time breaking families who have been peacefully among us for years, especially when deporting the parents of American children.

President Obama has been a huge disappointment to many of us, and his anti-Latino policies will be remembered

This! Obama is a joke and we're tired of his snake oil. He wants to promise everything to everybody and hope we're all stupid enough to believe him. You have hardworking Latino families here, poor African Americans here, homeless veterans here. Let's take care of them before we entertain Obama's impossible, and, quite frankly, cruel, promises. Shame on him.

Dude, simmer the fuck down. We've only brought a handful of Syrians into the country in the last 3 years. Not even 200. It's not as though program funding for everything else is running dry as a result.

Wrong again. According to NYT it is 1800 - not to mention the thousands of refugees not from Syria that the administration has brought in.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/21/us/where-syrian-refugees-are-in-the-united-states.html?_r=0

Thank you for providing the true numbers. Someone else is a liar.

According to the official STATE DEPARTMENT data, it was only around 200 since 2012.

Is assimilation important for success?

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/texas-man-charged-attempting-provide-material-support-isil

The DOJ link is above. He was a refugee and got permanent legal status. Pick a crime-he was willing to commit and aid and abet.

And this ingrate isn't an example? Call it refugee, call it visa. And here's that "refugee" and his accomplice plus some relatives:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/us/terror-charges-refugees/

I have responded numerous times to this. I am not questioning whether these two exist, whether they have been charged or whether they were refugees.

I will say that

1) They have not committed a terrorist attack, they are charged with attempting to help ISIS. This is terrible, its great that they are being charged. This is the system working. We screen and then these people are under higher scrutiny. These people were caught. The system is working.

2) These were both Palistinians who were born in Iraq who came long before the current crisis. Just pointing out that this is not an example of an evil Syrian refugee for anyone who doesn't click the ink.

3) I know this probably doesn't matter to you at all. But our justice system DOES work on the presumption of innocence and neither of these people have been convicted yet. In fact a quote from the DOJ release: "An indictment is merely a formal charging document and is not evidence of guilt. Every defendant is presumed innocent until and unless proven guilty."

Oh I feel so much better. He was only trying to help Isis.

And the Somalis were part of the refugee program and try telling the man they brutally murdered for hours that they didn't commit any act of "terror." Sure sounds like terror to me.

A 'terrorist attack' is a real thing not simply applied to any act where someone happens to feel terrified. How many home grown americans murder someone every day? That is just crime, it happens. I'm not defending it but it was not a terrorist act.

But now that you've just reduced yourself to emotional arguments I hope others can see that you aren't telling the truth.

"Al-Hardan was charged with providing material support to the Islamic State militant group and for making false statements about ties to the group when seeking U.S. naturalization, according to an indictment in federal court in Houston unsealed on Thursday."

Do you not consider providing material support to Isis as a terrorist act? One can only imagine what they had plans to do here if they were helping Isis. I do no think it is I that is not telling the truth about the facts. You are trying to create smoke and mirrors to cover it up. What about the men arrested in Rochester, NY for plotting to kill people on New Year's?

I'm sick of looking up links for you people. If you want to throw out an event in Rochester, link to a source.

He could have provided support to ISIS anywhere. There was no act that endangered people. He should be deported for supporting ISIS hands down but he was caught by the authorities before anything happened. Its not smoke and mirrors to say that the terrorists in Paris shot a whole bunch of people and nothing comparable has happened here.

It is REALLY hard to get into the US as a refugee. There are MUCH easier ways. And what none of you have acknowledged is that most incidents that happen with refugees happen long after they've immigrated. Their radicalization happened WHILE THEY WERE IN AMERICA. The Texas guy immigrated from Palistine in 2009! Maybe people like you should acknowledge how your attitudes are contributing to growing terrorists on our own soil instead of making spurious connections. Even if I gave you the Texas guys full and out AND the somalis from Maine it would be an incident rate of .00000076% of refugees entered since 2001. The idea that you would turn people away based on off THAT level of risk is just disgusting an cowardly.

I wrote the KISS method. You are arguing with yourself. Growing terrorists? I don't care in what year that creep came here. 1970 or 2009. Allowed to live as a guest in MY country and support ISIS? No. ISIS=enemy alien.

WTF do you want ? A release on bond and no media on this BS?

People granted refugee and asylee status are not guests. They are on the path to being Americans. And they make pretty great Americans. Like Albert Einstein and Sergey Brin.

Home grown American terrorists are being radicalized by Isis too a and the type of rhetoric that you spout is why. And not just Muslims, white teenagers from Oklahoma. Black servicemen.

I want the media to report the truth but I feel a moral obligation to counteract the half truths that people like you spew to promote fear.

Since 2001 more than 780,000 refugees have come to our county from horrible conditions that a privledged American like you cannot even fathom. We have offered a new life and new hope for 780,000 people. And a tiny fraction of those choices turned out to be bad. Three people out of 780k arrested on suspicion and not a single incident. But you would say that those three people mean that we turn our backs to everyone in need. It just disgusts me and I can't help but respond to every ignorant hateful person that throws out a misleading out of context statement designed to make us fear the people who truly know what fear is in a way you, as an American will never have to know.