Anonymous
Post 12/12/2015 09:11     Subject: My Husband Supports Trump
Anonymous wrote:If you're altering your life because of Muslim terrorism in the U.S. but have no real concerns about second hand smoke or getting in a car, then you suck at risk assessment. A lot.


I live out in exurbia and I cannot tell you how bad the irony burns when some of my friends who are right-leaning[1] are suddenly freaking out that Obama might have the gall to suggest that nobody on a terrorist suspect no-fly list might be banned from buying a gun. Seriously. Risk assessment: you are at least an order of magnitude more likely to be involved in a random mass shooting carried out by someone who needs mental health services[2] than you are by a "terrorist", and even then the risks of getting in a car[2] are several orders of magnitude greater than of being involved in a mass shooting, no matter what the motivation of the shooter.

I think it's categorically ridiculous to say the motive matters when talking in terms of proactive preventative public policy; I do think motive matters enormously when you're talking about retrospective punishment. If you aren't willing to regulate gun ownership to prevent Sandy Hook, Columbine, Colorado Springs, Aurora, Blacksburg, etc, etc, then how can you seriously talk about spending billions invading, occupying and "nation building" (AGAIN, 'cause that's supposedly what we did from 2003-2011) in Anbar and Syria? Ridiculous.

[1] I am a very progressive liberal, and also a gun owner, but I live in Teabaglistan, surrounded by Teahadis...seriously, there are black people here the teabagger license plates.

[2] Although I think Robert Dear is clearly a domestic terrorist motivated by Extremist Fundamentalist Religious rhetoric, he is probably also mentally unstable due to years of substance abuse - he fits in both categories.

[3] 2nd hand smoke numbers are pretty conjured up - if there is a real risk, it's tiny - smaller than from a domestic terrorism attack - so small that even the CDC has not been able to establish an actual numerical increased risk. I'm not advocating smoking, but if we're going to be all hard-evidence about risks, let's be intellectually honest: yes, you can detect 2nd tobacco metabolites in people exposed to 2nd hand smoke, but the degree of actual health risk has never been established (despite every effort to find one).
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 23:36     Subject: My Husband Supports Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP -- mine too. I think a lot of white men, in particular, (whether blue collar or white collar) feel that someone has taken the rug from under their feet. They have a certain entitlement and like Trump because he says what they are thinking.

We are so politically correct nowadays that kids on nearly every college campus want to re-name stuff because someone did something terrible or said something terrible years ago. So many ridiculous examples. Like Woodrow Wilson at Princeton. He was the President of the US, but now the kids don't want stuff named after him. George Washington had slaves...so then why do we have GWU? It goes on and on.

No one wants a black person to be killed by a copy for God's sake. But, now every cop is presumed to be a bigot. They can't win.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist, of course. But nearly every terrorist is a Muslim. So, Trump has a point. Not every illegal is a criminal..but some are.

So, Trump has a struck a cord on many issues. Let it pass OP. I think Cruz and Rubio are much scarier than Trump. They both seem like really scary hispanics to me.


What is a scary Hispanic?


OP here - seriously, what does that mean?


Scary Hispanic: Big eyebrows, muscles, speaks some strange language, polite demeanor masks underlying nefarious intent. Gets even worse when said scary Hispanics can trace American family roots to the time before there was a USA to speak of.


I can't believe I'm asking this, but. . . This is satire, right?
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 22:19     Subject: Re:My Husband Supports Trump
We live in a free country and ur husband has a right to choose who's candidate he will vote.I agree with ur husband.I think, He is using his brain & Im pretty sure that ur husband loves America.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 22:00     Subject: My Husband Supports Trump
If you're altering your life because of Muslim terrorism in the U.S. but have no real concerns about second hand smoke or getting in a car, then you suck at risk assessment. A lot.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 21:23     Subject: Re:My Husband Supports Trump
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe we are standing on the wrong side of this. Maybe xenophobia and all the other ugly isms are just the standard of human existence. We are not perfectible and there will always be people (many of the them in the West, but also plenty in the middle and Far East) who favor their own.

We see it all over, but only pay attention at certain times - usually we turn a blind eye to the behavior in the name of diversity.

I know this will upset some who think we can hold hands and live in peace and harmony, but history tells us otherwise.




Anton I hope you are not using a work computer.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 18:57     Subject: My Husband Supports Trump
My husband supports Trump too. Can we start a support group? 100% serious.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 18:29     Subject: My Husband Supports Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have we really reached the point in our nation's story where we are seeking out ways to "legally" discriminate against people of one specific religion, and watch without comment as one potential "leader" runs on that as a platform?


We have RETURNED TO that point in our nation's history.

People don't get - because it has passed out of living memory - that before the Depression/WW-II generation - things in this country were a lot nastier all around. Ethnic/Religious Xenophobia are absolutely nothing new.

The nice thing to remember is that, slowly but surely, we keep nudging along in the right direction - away from the politics of people like Trump.


Yes, true, we have gone backwards. So I fail to see how, when Trump is leading in the polls, that we are nudging along in the right direction. We can't be going backwards and forwards at the same time.


This is true--I remember my grandparents talking about how appalled they were when a Catholic was elected president.

Know many people who are very very anti-Catholic, even now. Trump is really opening up a can of worms, because many of the people I know who are anti-Muslim are also anti-anything else but fundamentalist Protestant (including anti-liberal Protestant!)

I dont think its anti muslim or anti illegal immigrant as much as it is anti terrorism and keeping our families and communities safe and I know plenty of catholics and minorities who feel the same.


How was the Kool-Aid? Just curious.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 17:43     Subject: Re:My Husband Supports Trump
What I find difficult to comprehend is why a married couple having different leanings when it comes to presidential candidates would cause so much angst.

Surely, there are more important components that constitute a marriage.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 17:33     Subject: My Husband Supports Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is fascinating.

What does he like about Trump?


OP, so much sympathy for you. My mom and my dad cancel each other out at the polls every year, but they don't discuss politics at home. I dated a Republican for a long time in my youth and tolerated all kinds of political differences between us. But, in the end, I decided that many of his views were a reflection of large differences in our underlying values (equality vs. misogyny) and our assumptions and perceptions about the world and people around us, and thus, we weren't a good match. Since you're already married, perhaps you'll just have to say explicitly, we'll really have to agree to disagree. If you have kids, I think it's important that you say out loud and repeatedly that you disagree with his views and why. Hopefully, you two can arrive at an agreement that it's better just not to discuss.

If you feel like his political views are a reflection of underlying values that affect you and your marriage, I would focus more on his behavior/actions in the marriage rather than his words -- is he making misogynist/sexist assumptions about who does what? That's a problem you can address without politics.

In the meanwhile, please DO tell more about why you think your husband likes Trump. I can't for the life of me understand this phenomenon.

I'm convinced it's the culmination of years of really suck-ass history teaching across the country. My kids are getting less and less basic civics at the young age, and none of their peers ever read a real newspaper or outlet (and no, BuzzFeed lists do not count as news...) That and a combination of people who really can't contemplate Hillary Clinton for President, which I think has a largely sexist underpinning (even among women detractors....)

+1000
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 17:32     Subject: My Husband Supports Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have we really reached the point in our nation's story where we are seeking out ways to "legally" discriminate against people of one specific religion, and watch without comment as one potential "leader" runs on that as a platform?


We have RETURNED TO that point in our nation's history.

People don't get - because it has passed out of living memory - that before the Depression/WW-II generation - things in this country were a lot nastier all around. Ethnic/Religious Xenophobia are absolutely nothing new.

The nice thing to remember is that, slowly but surely, we keep nudging along in the right direction - away from the politics of people like Trump.


Yes, true, we have gone backwards. So I fail to see how, when Trump is leading in the polls, that we are nudging along in the right direction. We can't be going backwards and forwards at the same time.


This is true--I remember my grandparents talking about how appalled they were when a Catholic was elected president.

Know many people who are very very anti-Catholic, even now. Trump is really opening up a can of worms, because many of the people I know who are anti-Muslim are also anti-anything else but fundamentalist Protestant (including anti-liberal Protestant!)

I dont think its anti muslim or anti illegal immigrant as much as it is anti terrorism and keeping our families and communities safe and I know plenty of catholics and minorities who feel the same.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 17:29     Subject: My Husband Supports Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh for Pete's sake! Really? Is THAT your problem?

Stop trolling.


OP here. I'm definitely not trolling, and I'm not actually very liberal or political. I really thought that all rational humans could agree that he could NEVER be president and that this little fad he's having is a reaction to other things instead of agreement with his insanity.

I try to avoid the topic, since I'm not into politics, but Fox news is on every morning and evening, and DH will bring it up on his own.


Just a heads up - it's never going to get better. This is my dad now. He's gotten more and more conservative as he gets older. My parents are at a point where my mother refuses to talk politics with him and he has to watch Fox News in the basement. She can't listen to that cr@p every day. I truly believe she'd leave him if he didn't follow this rule. And they are in their 70s married 50 years.



Serious advice: get your older father off Fox News. It's literally rotting his brain.

My good friend's grandfather - who is now in his 90s - was an avid Fox News watcher throughout retirement. He already had a bit of senility, but the Fox News stories were making him absolutely paranoid and scared. He stopped sleeping because he would go into fits of fright due to the fear peddled by Fox - he was worried that terrorist were coming for him, that another attack would happen soon, that the government was going to seize his retirement funds or cancel his Navy pension, etc etc etc. Eventually, the family decided that there would be no more Fox News allowed in the house at all. His SIL - who also happens to be his caretaker - said she would move out because she could not handle his fits. His mental capacities were also degrading quickly, as he had stopped reading or really doing any critical thinking. He just sat and watched Fox News everyday. He was never leaving the house or interacting with new adults. Which is sad, considering he was a well educated engineer with an MS/MBA from an Ivy and had an extremely successful career with GE in top level management. He is no intellectual slouch.

Funny enough, when they went to the doctor with these issues the doctor mentioned that he's seeing a lot of this among his older patients. Fox News literally scares the life out of them, they stop engaging with the outside world. Lack of human interaction is one of the main drivers of degraded mental faculties in old age and quickens the advance of Alzheimer's.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 17:14     Subject: My Husband Supports Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have we really reached the point in our nation's story where we are seeking out ways to "legally" discriminate against people of one specific religion, and watch without comment as one potential "leader" runs on that as a platform?


We have RETURNED TO that point in our nation's history.

People don't get - because it has passed out of living memory - that before the Depression/WW-II generation - things in this country were a lot nastier all around. Ethnic/Religious Xenophobia are absolutely nothing new.

The nice thing to remember is that, slowly but surely, we keep nudging along in the right direction - away from the politics of people like Trump.


Yes, true, we have gone backwards. So I fail to see how, when Trump is leading in the polls, that we are nudging along in the right direction. We can't be going backwards and forwards at the same time.


This is true--I remember my grandparents talking about how appalled they were when a Catholic was elected president.

Know many people who are very very anti-Catholic, even now. Trump is really opening up a can of worms, because many of the people I know who are anti-Muslim are also anti-anything else but fundamentalist Protestant (including anti-liberal Protestant!)
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 16:18     Subject: My Husband Supports Trump
Anonymous wrote:Hitleresque?! - The level of stupidity on this forum is astounding. Yes, you disagree with Trump. I get it, but to paint him as a Nazi or the next Hitler is beyond the pale. Have we really reached the point in our nations story that we need to vilify anyone who doesn't agree with us?


The Left has vilified anyone who disagreed with it since... I dunno, the 1930s at least. Certainly the whole asinine "(anyone we hate) is HITLER" thing goes back that far. Nixon was Hitler, Reagan was Hitler, Poppy and Dubya Bush were Hitler, every Republican candidate was Hitler, the Left will never stop that shit because THEY ARE INSANE.
Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 15:08     Subject: Re:My Husband Supports Trump
Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe we are standing on the wrong side of this. Maybe xenophobia and all the other ugly isms are just the standard of human existence. We are not perfectible and there will always be people (many of the them in the West, but also plenty in the middle and Far East) who favor their own.

We see it all over, but only pay attention at certain times - usually we turn a blind eye to the behavior in the name of diversity.

I know this will upset some who think we can hold hands and live in peace and harmony, but history tells us otherwise.

Anonymous
Post 12/11/2015 14:38     Subject: My Husband Supports Trump
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Have we really reached the point in our nation's story where we are seeking out ways to "legally" discriminate against people of one specific religion, and watch without comment as one potential "leader" runs on that as a platform?


We have RETURNED TO that point in our nation's history.

People don't get - because it has passed out of living memory - that before the Depression/WW-II generation - things in this country were a lot nastier all around. Ethnic/Religious Xenophobia are absolutely nothing new.

The nice thing to remember is that, slowly but surely, we keep nudging along in the right direction - away from the politics of people like Trump.


Yes, true, we have gone backwards. So I fail to see how, when Trump is leading in the polls, that we are nudging along in the right direction. We can't be going backwards and forwards at the same time.