Anonymous wrote:3.5 - Michigan, Notre Dame, Bates, Colby, William & Mary, NYU, BC, Macalaster would all be very good shots.

MAYBE Pomona/Johns Hopkins/UC Berkeley if there was something else there like amazing test scores or really into robotics or accomplished violinist.

No to Williams/Amherst/Ivies unless there is a hook (legacy, sport, minority)

Most definitely not JHU--one of the top in the country unless they are a superstar lacrosse player

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Anonymous wrote:3.5 - Michigan, Notre Dame, Bates, Colby, William & Mary, NYU, BC, Macalaster would all be very good shots.

MAYBE Pomona/Johns Hopkins/UC Berkeley if there was something else there like amazing test scores or really into robotics or accomplished violinist.

No to Williams/Amherst/Ivies unless there is a hook (legacy, sport, minority)

Bates? That was a tier 2 school for grads of my crappy NE public.

Same for Colby, NYU, and BC. If those are the answers, please don't ask the question.

The college world has changed a lot since you graduated from Crappy NE Public High.

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Anonymous wrote:3.5 - Michigan, Notre Dame, Bates, Colby, William & Mary, NYU, BC, Macalaster would all be very good shots.

MAYBE Pomona/Johns Hopkins/UC Berkeley if there was something else there like amazing test scores or really into robotics or accomplished violinist.

No to Williams/Amherst/Ivies unless there is a hook (legacy, sport, minority)

Bates? That was a tier 2 school for grads of my crappy NE public.

Same for Colby, NYU, and BC. If those are the answers, please don't ask the question.

Anonymous wrote:Black middle class students have experienced racism. To say they have had all the advantages is really silly. Those that qualify for ivy admission have achieved despite a lot of barriers beyond economic. If you are truly interested read the book Young Black and Gifted. These students are granted admission because of what they have accomplished. To say it's not correct for them to get a " URM preference" is demeaning. The are being accepted because of who they ate and what they have accomplished. Admission to ICUs is not just adding up scores and grades. Its about who you are as a person.

Students should be accepted individually for what they have accomplished, who they are as an individual. I would think that being accepted because of a race-based admission preference would be "demeaning" for them. I'm sorry, but the child of a CEO or even a law partner pulling down several million $ annually is pretty advantaged already. S/he doesn't need a further advantage in the admission process.

That makes sense. The current spectrum has an abundance of well qualified back candidates. I have a spouse who is Asian and we have always been loathe to check the AmerAsian box over the not disclosed box for anything related to school applications. Asian reverse odds are pretty strong. The remaining gold ticket is Native American Indian. If you are that and a good student, the world is your open door.

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Not what they ate. Lol

Ivies. Not ICUs. Sorry about auto correct

Black middle class students have experienced racism. To say they have had all the advantages is really silly. Those that qualify for ivy admission have achieved despite a lot of barriers beyond economic. If you are truly interested read the book Young Black and Gifted. These students are granted admission because of what they have accomplished. To say it's not correct for them to get a " URM preference" is demeaning. The are being accepted because of who they ate and what they have accomplished. Admission to ICUs is not just adding up scores and grades. Its about who you are as a person.

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Andover has always had a Yale pipeline, as do the short list of Boston area day preps have to Harvard (BL, Noble, BBN). Only a fraction of that has lived on from what it was a generation ago. My class at Exeter had 34 kids go to Harvard out of a class of less than 200. That doesn't nearly happen anymore. As hooks move to merit more and more for admission, the one hook that is actually growing is sports. The boarding schools have noticed this and take a lot more sports related PGs and repeat 11th graders. I posted about this trend last week. I think it has net net cheapened out some of the best boarding schools, but some are still out there that don't take PGs like Groton and St. Paul's. I think Andover, Exeter, Deerfield, Choate, etc. have all cheapened out standards to humor the sports recruiting ins to an Ivy. Over time they will pay for that as it diminishes the population of merit based kids applying behind the recruited committed kids for hockey, soccer, lacrosse, etc. To the extent Sidwell overtly avoids that will be better for Sidwell in the short and the long run. One wonders of the Yale's and the Princeton's and the Harvard's best interests will continue to be aligned with attempting to compete with scholarship schools to win NCAA championships in those sports.

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Anonymous wrote:Considering Yale only has 5500 undergrads, I'd say it would be a one time anomoly that Sidwell hit that number last year. 11 is a freakish number for any prep including the Nee England blue blood ones. The only possible explanation would be a large number of very connected legacy families the same year.

The year I attended Princeton they admitted 14 from Andover. Years later when I represented Andover on the asc another 14 got in. (Fwiw I went to a marginal public which sent 4 in a decade)

I think the Yale/Sidwell situation was an an aberration. I'm not sure when you graduated from Andover, but I think the Ivies are getting away from admitting so many kids from a single school. I would not be surprised to see Yale take 5-6 from Sidwell - one has already committed on athletics -- but not double digits. Sidwell kids have tended not to apply to Princeton in large numbers, and very few have been admitted over the years.

Anonymous wrote:Considering Yale only has 5500 undergrads, I'd say it would be a one time anomoly that Sidwell hit that number last year. 11 is a freakish number for any prep including the Nee England blue blood ones. The only possible explanation would be a large number of very connected legacy families the same year.

The year I attended Princeton they admitted 14 from Andover. Years later when I represented Andover on the asc another 14 got in. (Fwiw I went to a marginal public which sent 4 in a decade)

Anonymous wrote:3.5 - Michigan, Notre Dame, Bates, Colby, William & Mary, NYU, BC, Macalaster would all be very good shots.

MAYBE Pomona/Johns Hopkins/UC Berkeley if there was something else there like amazing test scores or really into robotics or accomplished violinist.

No to Williams/Amherst/Ivies unless there is a hook (legacy, sport, minority)

Bates? That was a tier 2 school for grads of my crappy NE public.

Anonymous wrote:For the ivies and other top colleges they look for top URM students because they want a variety of students with different experiences. Being Black and middle class is different than being white or Hispanic and middle class. Just like being white and poor is different than being white and wealthy. So I don't get why people are so resentful of black middle class students getting a leg up on admissions. There are relatively few of these kids with the skills to do well at ivies. Just look at the gap in SAT or ACT scores between races even when equalized for income. Again, admissions at top schools is about assembling a class of diverse individuals based on reviews of the students' whole body of work. No body is taking anyone's spot. There are no reserved seats.

A URM preference that is divorced from economic/social disadvantage may be less defensible than a traditional affirmative action plan. The former is a blatant racial preference. The latter is at least based on giving those who have faced discrimination and disadvantage a leg up. By saying that upper middle class/professional class blacks and Hispanics are the (relatively few) ones with the skills to do well at Ivies is to say acknowledge that they have benefitted from numerous educational and other advantages that have given them the skills to succeed. So why should they (vs poor kids) get a further advantage in admissions?

Anonymous wrote:For the ivies and other top colleges they look for top URM students because they want a variety of students with different experiences. Being Black and middle class is different than being white or Hispanic and middle class. Just like being white and poor is different than being white and wealthy. So I don't get why people are so resentful of black middle class students getting a leg up on admissions. There are relatively few of these kids with the skills to do well at ivies. Just look at the gap in SAT or ACT scores between races even when equalized for income. Again, admissions at top schools is about assembling a class of diverse individuals based on reviews of the students' whole body of work. No body is taking anyone's spot. There are no reserved seats.

Hopefully they are admitting only live students.