Anonymous
09/22/2015 14:34
Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people who report it are being instructed to IGNORE it. Your defense of paedophilia and child rape facilitated by the US military leadership and in turn the commander in chief is getting more and more pathetic.
You're arguing that child rape in this situation is okay. full stop.
Crimes happening off base should be reported to the authorities off base. Shouldn't they? If it's the authorities who are committing those crimes, well, the country is pretty awful.
What do you not understand that THESE CRIMES ARE HAPPENING ON MILITARY BASES.
THESE CRIMES ARE HAPPENED ON MILITARY BASES LOCATED WITHIN SOVEREIGN AFGHAN TERRITORY.
yeah. child rapist supporter and apologist
Anonymous
09/22/2015 14:33
Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/14/hero-marine-nailed-for-sending-classified-report-from-personal-email.html
A report of another decorated marine who tried to intervene and got punished for it.
Jan also was alleged to be what Brezler’s lawyer would later call “a systematic child rapist” who allegedly ran a child kidnapping ring and acquired “chai boys” with the help of U.S. taxpayer job development money.
A report of another decorated marine who tried to intervene and got punished for it.
Jan also was alleged to be what Brezler’s lawyer would later call “a systematic child rapist” who allegedly ran a child kidnapping ring and acquired “chai boys” with the help of U.S. taxpayer job development money.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 14:31
Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people who report it are being instructed to IGNORE it. Your defense of paedophilia and child rape facilitated by the US military leadership and in turn the commander in chief is getting more and more pathetic.
You're arguing that child rape in this situation is okay. full stop.
Crimes happening off base should be reported to the authorities off base. Shouldn't they? If it's the authorities who are committing those crimes, well, the country is pretty awful.
What do you not understand that THESE CRIMES ARE HAPPENING ON MILITARY BASES.
THESE CRIMES ARE HAPPENED ON MILITARY BASES LOCATED WITHIN SOVEREIGN AFGHAN TERRITORY.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 14:30
Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
Anonymous wrote:Another comment from another vet:
I personally witnessed this type of behavior very early in the Afghan occupation. Although, the victims were teenagers it was still repugnant. After reporting it to our bosses we were told "just don't let them touch your troops." "It's cultural". Still, its so criminal of the U.S. military to reduce in rank and kick out soldiers who stand on the side of greater good and higher moral imperative. I agree with @Brandt Irvine that Gen. Dempsey and many other offices need to be reduced and relieved for this criminal cover-up
Of course, there are brave leaders and activists trying to bring attention to this issue, so anyone who claims it is a culturally acceptable practice needs to square that opinion with people risking their lives to stop it.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 14:26
Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
Another comment from another vet:
I personally witnessed this type of behavior very early in the Afghan occupation. Although, the victims were teenagers it was still repugnant. After reporting it to our bosses we were told "just don't let them touch your troops." "It's cultural". Still, its so criminal of the U.S. military to reduce in rank and kick out soldiers who stand on the side of greater good and higher moral imperative. I agree with @Brandt Irvine that Gen. Dempsey and many other offices need to be reduced and relieved for this criminal cover-up
I personally witnessed this type of behavior very early in the Afghan occupation. Although, the victims were teenagers it was still repugnant. After reporting it to our bosses we were told "just don't let them touch your troops." "It's cultural". Still, its so criminal of the U.S. military to reduce in rank and kick out soldiers who stand on the side of greater good and higher moral imperative. I agree with @Brandt Irvine that Gen. Dempsey and many other offices need to be reduced and relieved for this criminal cover-up
Anonymous
09/22/2015 14:23
Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
“The bigger picture was fighting the Taliban,” a former Marine lance corporal reflected. “It wasn’t to stop molestation.”
Still, the former lance corporal, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid offending fellow Marines, recalled feeling sickened the day he entered a room on a base and saw three or four men lying on the floor with children between them. “I’m not a hundred percent sure what was happening under the sheet, but I have a pretty good idea of what was going on,” he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/world/us-outrage-and-resignation-over-afghans-rape-of-boys.html
he Pentagon insisted that it never ordered troops to ignore any kind of rights abuse. But among American military personnel and civilians who served in Afghanistan, it was well known that many wealthy and prominent Afghans rape boys, often making them dress up as women and dance at gatherings during which they are assaulted — and that Western officials often turned a blind eye to the practice for fear of alienating allies.
Still, the former lance corporal, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid offending fellow Marines, recalled feeling sickened the day he entered a room on a base and saw three or four men lying on the floor with children between them. “I’m not a hundred percent sure what was happening under the sheet, but I have a pretty good idea of what was going on,” he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/world/us-outrage-and-resignation-over-afghans-rape-of-boys.html
he Pentagon insisted that it never ordered troops to ignore any kind of rights abuse. But among American military personnel and civilians who served in Afghanistan, it was well known that many wealthy and prominent Afghans rape boys, often making them dress up as women and dance at gatherings during which they are assaulted — and that Western officials often turned a blind eye to the practice for fear of alienating allies.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 14:20
Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The human rights issue is SEPARATE from what the soldier did. The human rights issue is not new, it has been going on for hundreds of years. It is something for the UN to deal with, the US is not and should not be the policeman of the world.
The officer's assault on the Afghan policeman was an unlawful, unsanctioned act of vigilante justice, which is illegal under the UCMJ. It's the second thing, not the first, that he is being punished for. In the military, discipline and chain of command is core and central. If people in the military start behaving like loose cannons and start doing whatever they want, the entire system breaks down.
You keep talking about the officer's assault which is illegal. Which somehow makes the entire system of this being okay on US military bases right.
The US is not the policeman of the world..but once it ABETS people who are doing it and ALLOWS it on its own military bases that is repulsively wrong.
so (1) the US is intimately involved in this instance. In fact its abetting afghan commanders and training these rapists to terrorize the villagers that fared better under the Taliban. This is not some kind of situation where we're sitting afar and now wading in. what part of THIS IS ON OUR MILITARY BASES do you not understand?
(2) I rather someone say something and do something when they see something egregious happen.
Your defense of something wrong that is happening facilitated by the top leadership of the US military is frankly wrong and gross.
He pushed him. There is no legal code. There is nothing that happens if you report up. Its horrible to say but that is the 'language' the police officer, and any watching, would Understand. He did it to put a stop to it using what can only be called 'culturally sensitive modes of communication..yes, a black mark on your record is career ending.
The commanding General of US forces in Afghanistan has stated outright that there is NO policy or directive WHATSOEVER directing US soldiers to "ignore child sexual abuse" as has been widely claimed.
I tend to think there was something else going on that brought this to the level of the soldier involved being charged under military code.
I believe the new york times. The number of comments there from ex vets and military personnel is also very telling.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 14:18
Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The human rights issue is SEPARATE from what the soldier did. The human rights issue is not new, it has been going on for hundreds of years. It is something for the UN to deal with, the US is not and should not be the policeman of the world.
The officer's assault on the Afghan policeman was an unlawful, unsanctioned act of vigilante justice, which is illegal under the UCMJ. It's the second thing, not the first, that he is being punished for. In the military, discipline and chain of command is core and central. If people in the military start behaving like loose cannons and start doing whatever they want, the entire system breaks down.
You keep talking about the officer's assault which is illegal. Which somehow makes the entire system of this being okay on US military bases right.
The US is not the policeman of the world..but once it ABETS people who are doing it and ALLOWS it on its own military bases that is repulsively wrong.
so (1) the US is intimately involved in this instance. In fact its abetting afghan commanders and training these rapists to terrorize the villagers that fared better under the Taliban. This is not some kind of situation where we're sitting afar and now wading in. what part of THIS IS ON OUR MILITARY BASES do you not understand?
(2) I rather someone say something and do something when they see something egregious happen.
Your defense of something wrong that is happening facilitated by the top leadership of the US military is frankly wrong and gross.
He pushed him. There is no legal code. There is nothing that happens if you report up. Its horrible to say but that is the 'language' the police officer, and any watching, would Understand. He did it to put a stop to it using what can only be called 'culturally sensitive modes of communication..yes, a black mark on your record is career ending.
The commanding General of US forces in Afghanistan has stated outright that there is NO policy or directive WHATSOEVER directing US soldiers to "ignore child sexual abuse" as has been widely claimed.
I tend to think there was something else going on that brought this to the level of the soldier involved being charged under military code.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 14:15
Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people who report it are being instructed to IGNORE it. Your defense of paedophilia and child rape facilitated by the US military leadership and in turn the commander in chief is getting more and more pathetic.
You're arguing that child rape in this situation is okay. full stop.
Crimes happening off base should be reported to the authorities off base. Shouldn't they? If it's the authorities who are committing those crimes, well, the country is pretty awful.
What do you not understand that THESE CRIMES ARE HAPPENING ON MILITARY BASES.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 14:02
Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
Obviously the UCMJ needs to change its code. It must have been written by a pedophile.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 13:40
Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The human rights issue is SEPARATE from what the soldier did. The human rights issue is not new, it has been going on for hundreds of years. It is something for the UN to deal with, the US is not and should not be the policeman of the world.
The officer's assault on the Afghan policeman was an unlawful, unsanctioned act of vigilante justice, which is illegal under the UCMJ. It's the second thing, not the first, that he is being punished for. In the military, discipline and chain of command is core and central. If people in the military start behaving like loose cannons and start doing whatever they want, the entire system breaks down.
You keep talking about the officer's assault which is illegal. Which somehow makes the entire system of this being okay on US military bases right.
The US is not the policeman of the world..but once it ABETS people who are doing it and ALLOWS it on its own military bases that is repulsively wrong.
so (1) the US is intimately involved in this instance. In fact its abetting afghan commanders and training these rapists to terrorize the villagers that fared better under the Taliban. This is not some kind of situation where we're sitting afar and now wading in. what part of THIS IS ON OUR MILITARY BASES do you not understand?
(2) I rather someone say something and do something when they see something egregious happen.
Your defense of something wrong that is happening facilitated by the top leadership of the US military is frankly wrong and gross.
He pushed him. There is no legal code. There is nothing that happens if you report up. Its horrible to say but that is the 'language' the police officer, and any watching, would Understand. He did it to put a stop to it using what can only be called 'culturally sensitive modes of communication..yes, a black mark on your record is career ending.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 13:30
Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
Anonymous wrote:The issue is that people who report it are being instructed to IGNORE it. Your defense of paedophilia and child rape facilitated by the US military leadership and in turn the commander in chief is getting more and more pathetic.
You're arguing that child rape in this situation is okay. full stop.
Crimes happening off base should be reported to the authorities off base. Shouldn't they? If it's the authorities who are committing those crimes, well, the country is pretty awful.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 13:09
Subject: Re:Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
The issue is that people who report it are being instructed to IGNORE it. Your defense of paedophilia and child rape facilitated by the US military leadership and in turn the commander in chief is getting more and more pathetic.
You're arguing that child rape in this situation is okay. full stop.
You're arguing that child rape in this situation is okay. full stop.
Anonymous
09/22/2015 13:08
Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The human rights issue is SEPARATE from what the soldier did. The human rights issue is not new, it has been going on for hundreds of years. It is something for the UN to deal with, the US is not and should not be the policeman of the world.
The officer's assault on the Afghan policeman was an unlawful, unsanctioned act of vigilante justice, which is illegal under the UCMJ. It's the second thing, not the first, that he is being punished for. In the military, discipline and chain of command is core and central. If people in the military start behaving like loose cannons and start doing whatever they want, the entire system breaks down.
So you think that child rape should continue on US military bases and that when people see something they should not do anything about it.
Got it.
The green beret who was discharged, that didn't happen on the base. Some of the anecdotes in the NYT article seem to have happened on base, which is bad. But they're not very specific or detailed, so it's hard to know exactly what happened, where, were there consequences, etc. As for when US soldiers discover it happening elsewhere, I think they should report it properly, rather than beat up Afgans.
Again, from the new york times article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html
KABUL, Afghanistan — In his last phone call home, Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. told his father what was troubling him: From his bunk in southern Afghanistan, he could hear Afghan police officers sexually abusing boys they had brought to the base.
“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”
But soldiers and Marines have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the American military was arming them in some cases and placing them as the commanders of villages — and doing little when they began abusing children.
The policy of instructing soldiers to ignore child sexual abuse by their Afghan allies is coming under new scrutiny, particularly as it emerges that service members like Captain Quinn have faced discipline, even career ruin, for disobeying it.[u]
Anonymous
09/22/2015 13:06
Subject: Heads should roll on this horrendous issue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The human rights issue is SEPARATE from what the soldier did. The human rights issue is not new, it has been going on for hundreds of years. It is something for the UN to deal with, the US is not and should not be the policeman of the world.
The officer's assault on the Afghan policeman was an unlawful, unsanctioned act of vigilante justice, which is illegal under the UCMJ. It's the second thing, not the first, that he is being punished for. In the military, discipline and chain of command is core and central. If people in the military start behaving like loose cannons and start doing whatever they want, the entire system breaks down.
So you think that child rape should continue on US military bases and that when people see something they should not do anything about it.
Got it.
The green beret who was discharged, that didn't happen on the base. Some of the anecdotes in the NYT article seem to have happened on base, which is bad. But they're not very specific or detailed, so it's hard to know exactly what happened, where, were there consequences, etc. As for when US soldiers discover it happening elsewhere, I think they should report it properly, rather than beat up Afgans.