Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 20:36     Subject: Re:Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
FYI, being near the bottom of the class at the Naval Academy does not mean you are a "dummy"..........FWIW, there are lots of heroes who did not graduate at the top of their class.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 20:33     Subject: Re:Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero

Should have never been near an airframe. He wasn't qualified going by his performance in the academy.


What was his performance at the academy?

Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 19:43     Subject: Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Vet here. McCain has sold us out. He is very hated among Vets. Trump is correct.


I am a veteran as well and the Republicans sold us out and continue to sell us out. However, Trump is not correct - John McCain WAS a hero.

Vet here. He flew aircraft on combat missions and was shot down. He kept his faith while confined and tortured. He is a hero.


Should have never been near an airframe. He wasn't qualified going by his performance in the academy.


and so we got the black ace - husbands of the beer queen- terrified of the records of his collaboration.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 19:39     Subject: Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Vet here. McCain has sold us out. He is very hated among Vets. Trump is correct.


I am a veteran as well and the Republicans sold us out and continue to sell us out. However, Trump is not correct - John McCain WAS a hero.

Vet here. He flew aircraft on combat missions and was shot down. He kept his faith while confined and tortured. He is a hero.


Yes, he did those things but as a PP pointed out it doesn't make him a hero. It was all in the course of duty and happens over and over.

Staying behind with those who were also captive instead of leaving when offered the chance - again not heroic but definitely moral and the right thing to do. And really being a good person and doing the right thing even under duress - far, far more important in life than getting a label of "war hero"


Hundreds of thousands of vets never did anything more dangerous than turn wrenches in a motor pool, or be a desk jockey logistics officer, et cetera. That is "ordinary course of duty." They never faced enemy fire, let alone being tortured by the enemy and still staying loyal to fellow soldiers and not leaving anyone behind. What McCain did and went through is extraordinary. When you've experienced the same you will be qualified to talk. Until then, your opinions are pretty meaningless.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 19:26     Subject: Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Vet here. McCain has sold us out. He is very hated among Vets. Trump is correct.


I am a veteran as well and the Republicans sold us out and continue to sell us out. However, Trump is not correct - John McCain WAS a hero.

Vet here. He flew aircraft on combat missions and was shot down. He kept his faith while confined and tortured. He is a hero.


Yes, he did those things but as a PP pointed out it doesn't make him a hero. It was all in the course of duty and happens over and over.

Staying behind with those who were also captive instead of leaving when offered the chance - again not heroic but definitely moral and the right thing to do. And really being a good person and doing the right thing even under duress - far, far more important in life than getting a label of "war hero"
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 19:16     Subject: Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:McCain isn't a hero. He willingly took part in a unjust war.

He supports the maiming and killing of those in uniform for unjust caues.

He obtained his position dishonorably through nepotism.

Daniel Ellsberg is a hero.


That's not Trump's gripe. Trump's problem with McCain is that he doesn't think McCain was Rambo enough. It's that stunted, delusional Reality TV mindset that Trump is suffering from.


Agreed but if a candidate said what I just said above, everyone would be moaning as well.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 19:15     Subject: Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Vet here. McCain has sold us out. He is very hated among Vets. Trump is correct.


I am a veteran as well and the Republicans sold us out and continue to sell us out. However, Trump is not correct - John McCain WAS a hero.

Vet here. He flew aircraft on combat missions and was shot down. He kept his faith while confined and tortured. He is a hero.


Should have never been near an airframe. He wasn't qualified going by his performance in the academy.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 19:15     Subject: Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
Anonymous wrote:McCain isn't a hero. He willingly took part in a unjust war.

He supports the maiming and killing of those in uniform for unjust caues.

He obtained his position dishonorably through nepotism.

Daniel Ellsberg is a hero.


That's not Trump's gripe. Trump's problem with McCain is that he doesn't think McCain was Rambo enough. It's that stunted, delusional Reality TV mindset that Trump is suffering from.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 19:09     Subject: Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Vet here. McCain has sold us out. He is very hated among Vets. Trump is correct.


I am a veteran as well and the Republicans sold us out and continue to sell us out. However, Trump is not correct - John McCain WAS a hero.

Vet here. He flew aircraft on combat missions and was shot down. He kept his faith while confined and tortured. He is a hero.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 18:34     Subject: Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Vet here. McCain has sold us out. He is very hated among Vets. Trump is correct.


It's OK to complain about McCain's voting record.

Not OK to criticize his service in the military.


McCain didn't sell vets out. The GOP is who sold vets out.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 18:23     Subject: Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
Anonymous wrote:Vet here. McCain has sold us out. He is very hated among Vets. Trump is correct.


It's OK to complain about McCain's voting record.

Not OK to criticize his service in the military.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 18:22     Subject: Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
McCain isn't a hero. He willingly took part in a unjust war.

He supports the maiming and killing of those in uniform for unjust caues.

He obtained his position dishonorably through nepotism.

Daniel Ellsberg is a hero.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 18:15     Subject: Re:Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
Anonymous wrote:
I don't think John McCain is a War Hero. A hero is someone that goes beyond the call of duty, like a Medal of Honor winner. Just being in the military and performing your duties does not make you a hero. Being captured and held prisoner also doesn't qualify one as a hero. Let's not degrade the meaning of hero, it only disrespects those who truly are.


Do you know anything about John McCain? I know some things, yes

Do you know that he was flying extremely dangerous missions when he was shot down? Risky missions? The fact that so many were shot down speaks to the danger. It was his duty to fly those missions, was it not?

Do you know that he was kept in solitary confinement because of his resistance? All prisoners who have been kept in solitary confinement are hero's?

Do you know that he was tortured? All people who have been tortured are hero's?

Do you know that he turned down an opportunity to come home early? (it was offered because it was good propaganda--his dad was an admiral) Leaving would be breaking his creed, staying was his duty.
Because of this, he likely saved lives--it would have been discouraging to the other prisoners and would have given fodder to the Viet Cong propaganda machine.

Lots of this was beyond the call of duty. And, lots of the military are heroes besides the Medal of Honor winners. The Medal of Honor winners are those who went extraordinary lengths way beyond the norm. There are lots of other heroes, too.
I'm not seeing anything above the call of duty


See bold above ^^^^^^
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 18:00     Subject: Re:Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
I don't think John McCain is a War Hero. A hero is someone that goes beyond the call of duty, like a Medal of Honor winner. Just being in the military and performing your duties does not make you a hero. Being captured and held prisoner also doesn't qualify one as a hero. Let's not degrade the meaning of hero, it only disrespects those who truly are.


Do you know anything about John McCain?

Do you know that he was flying extremely dangerous missions when he was shot down? Risky missions? The fact that so many were shot down speaks to the danger.

Do you know that he was kept in solitary confinement because of his resistance?

Do you know that he was tortured?

Do you know that he turned down an opportunity to come home early? (it was offered because it was good propaganda--his dad was an admiral)
Because of this, he likely saved lives--it would have been discouraging to the other prisoners and would have given fodder to the Viet Cong propaganda machine.

Lots of this was beyond the call of duty. And, lots of the military are heroes besides the Medal of Honor winners. The Medal of Honor winners are those who went extraordinary lengths way beyond the norm. There are lots of other heroes, too.


Anonymous
Post 07/20/2015 17:35     Subject: Re:Donald Trump Questions Whether Arizona Senator John McCain Should Be Considered a War Hero
I don't think John McCain is a War Hero. A hero is someone that goes beyond the call of duty, like a Medal of Honor winner. Just being in the military and performing your duties does not make you a hero. Being captured and held prisoner also doesn't qualify one as a hero. Let's not degrade the meaning of hero, it only disrespects those who truly are.