Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:23
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She broke the law initially. She was wrong. She put herself in that situation.
There are some police officers that do have an attitude, but black or white, you be polite and comply and deal with the ticket/warning after the fact.
She esclated the the interaction...no sympthay for her.
I do have sympathy for her, and it should not have ended this way. That said, in addition to police escalating the situation, she did her part in escalating it as well. It was a simple offence to which if she had politely complied, this would have ended very differently.
We don't know that. If you look at the "crimes" that have gotten Black men and women killed by police in this country in recent years, it isn't at all clear that complying with the police officer would have saved her life.
Tamir Rice (12) never had a chance to comply, he was shot dead for swinging on a swingset while holding a BB gun.
John Crawford also never got a chance to comply. His "crime" was carrying a pellet gun through a Wal-Mart that he had picked up from the rack in that very store.
Rekia Boyd was never told to comply, and off-duty police officer opened fire on her and her friends.
Aiyana Stanley-Jones (7) never had a chance to comply, she was killed sleeping on her grandmother's couch during a raid on the wrong house.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:20
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think alot of posters here are absolving her from her actions. She is just as guilty as the police officer in contributing to a situation that should not have occurred.
So the penalty for talking back to a cop is death? She is not just as guilty Bc she didn't do anything illegal. He's the one with the gun and taser.
Umm, yes she did. No turn signal breaks the law. Thats illegal. Get your facts straight.
Come on. Have you ever been arrested for not using a turn signal? Her real "offense" was not sucking up to that dbag.
ding, ding, ding, ding .... we have a winner.
Gee, using a turn signal and non of this ever would have happened...go figure
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:18
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know how to say this without sounding like a real c*nt, but I'm saying it anyway. When he asked her to put out the cigarette, why was she so pissy and disrespectful? Did I miss part of the video, was he hateful to her first. We all know most cops are arrogant assholes. But we don't have to be belligerent back. Just do what they say and no one gets hurt.
So it's okay for the police to attack you for smoking in your car. Wow. WTF has happened to people in this country?
It's always the initial action that the defenders revert back to. NO, it's not ok to be attacked for smoking in your car. NO, it's not ok to be killed for stealing a bag of chips. But, she wasn't attacked for smoking in her car. She reacted in such a hostile way, she escalated everything. Do you actually excuse (and endorse) the blatant disrespect and anti-authoritarian stance she took?
He is a trained police officer. No matter how much of an ass the citizen is, he should be capable of restraint.
If my kid is an ass to his teacher, I don't expect the teacher to beat him, no matter how much my kid is "asking for it". Trained professionals are expected to maintain a higher standard.
He should have written her a ticket for the failure to signal and sent her on her way.
By your logic, anything the cop asks you to do during a traffic stop, you should just do, because it's not worth getting killed over.
Cops are not God. We have a right and even a responsibility to stand up for our rights. We should not have to cower before policemen because if we don't,they might kill us.
It's not illegal to be hostile or a jerk or disrespectful. I agree, it's not wise and I don't endorse it. But average citizens should not end up dead for being jerks.
Cops should be better than that.
Frankly I can't believe people are actually excusing, and endorsing, a citizen ending up dead because she was (you say) nasty to a cop.
I am astounded that people can't admit that she should have kept her flippin' mouth shut. Believe it or not, one can RESPECTFULLY stand up for his rights. Hateful comebacks and outright refusal to comply with a normal request is not standing up for rights, it's just being aggressive to rebel. I totally agree this cop is a creep. He way overdid it - and however she died, it's a horrible, horrible and undeserved result. I can admit he went overboard, but unfortunately when you push and test your limits with an a-hole, you're going to get sh*t on.
As the PP says, I think that we should be holding the police to higher standards. Any statement that like the bolded is simply excusing police brutality because ordinary citizens should know better. The cop's reaction was completely out of line. I hope that he is fired, for cause, and that he is unable to get another job in law enforcement. If this is how he behaves when he knows he's on camera, I can only imagine how he behaves when no one is watching. He is unfit for the job and should be held accountable for that.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:18
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:The comparison is more of cop to parent. Each has great power over a comparatively powerless person. Each has a responsibility to exercise restraint.
The parent in question was an abuser. Known fact. The police officer , is a trained professional who participated in a situation that was on a downward spiral. Honestly, the police never know what/who they are dealing with on a traffic stop. She could have been much worse or much better. You cant compare the two situations - the inherent bias is totally different.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:13
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know how to say this without sounding like a real c*nt, but I'm saying it anyway. When he asked her to put out the cigarette, why was she so pissy and disrespectful? Did I miss part of the video, was he hateful to her first. We all know most cops are arrogant assholes. But we don't have to be belligerent back. Just do what they say and no one gets hurt.
So it's okay for the police to attack you for smoking in your car. Wow. WTF has happened to people in this country?
He was trying to disscuss why he pulled her over and she is blowing smoke??? How do you know he wasn't an asthmatic? Or had COPD? It wasnt an unreasonible request.
If he has COPD he would not be a police officer, as he would be incapable of passing the biannual physical.
Really? Thats whats what you got out of that post?? Wow
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:13
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
The comparison is more of cop to parent. Each has great power over a comparatively powerless person. Each has a responsibility to exercise restraint.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:12
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know how to say this without sounding like a real c*nt, but I'm saying it anyway. When he asked her to put out the cigarette, why was she so pissy and disrespectful? Did I miss part of the video, was he hateful to her first. We all know most cops are arrogant assholes. But we don't have to be belligerent back. Just do what they say and no one gets hurt.
So it's okay for the police to attack you for smoking in your car. Wow. WTF has happened to people in this country?
It's always the initial action that the defenders revert back to. NO, it's not ok to be attacked for smoking in your car. NO, it's not ok to be killed for stealing a bag of chips. But, she wasn't attacked for smoking in her car. She reacted in such a hostile way, she escalated everything. Do you actually excuse (and endorse) the blatant disrespect and anti-authoritarian stance she took?
He is a trained police officer. No matter how much of an ass the citizen is, he should be capable of restraint.
If my kid is an ass to his teacher, I don't expect the teacher to beat him, no matter how much my kid is "asking for it". Trained professionals are expected to maintain a higher standard.
He should have written her a ticket for the failure to signal and sent her on her way.
By your logic, anything the cop asks you to do during a traffic stop, you should just do, because it's not worth getting killed over.
Cops are not God. We have a right and even a responsibility to stand up for our rights. We should not have to cower before policemen because if we don't,they might kill us.
It's not illegal to be hostile or a jerk or disrespectful. I agree, it's not wise and I don't endorse it. But average citizens should not end up dead for being jerks.
Cops should be better than that.
Frankly I can't believe people are actually excusing, and endorsing, a citizen ending up dead because she was (you say) nasty to a cop.
I am astounded that people can't admit that she should have kept her flippin' mouth shut. Believe it or not, one can RESPECTFULLY stand up for his rights. Hateful comebacks and outright refusal to comply with a normal request is not standing up for rights, it's just being aggressive to rebel. I totally agree this cop is a creep. He way overdid it - and however she died, it's a horrible, horrible and undeserved result. I can admit he went overboard, but unfortunately when you push and test your limits with an a-hole, you're going to get sh*t on.
I can admit she should have kept her mouth shut.
And that does not in any way excuse the actions of the cop.
The kid in MD. recently should not have stolen birthday cake.
and that does not in any way excuse the man who beat him to death.
With great power comes great responsibility. Armed, trained officials need to manage THEIR emotions so that responses are proportional to the offense.
Are you really so naive to compare a grown woman to a child?
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:11
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think alot of posters here are absolving her from her actions. She is just as guilty as the police officer in contributing to a situation that should not have occurred.
So the penalty for talking back to a cop is death? She is not just as guilty Bc she didn't do anything illegal. He's the one with the gun and taser.
Umm, yes she did. No turn signal breaks the law. Thats illegal. Get your facts straight.
Come on. Have you ever been arrested for not using a turn signal? Her real "offense" was not sucking up to that dbag.
ding, ding, ding, ding .... we have a winner.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:10
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She broke the law initially. She was wrong. She put herself in that situation.
There are some police officers that do have an attitude, but black or white, you be polite and comply and deal with the ticket/warning after the fact.
She esclated the the interaction...no sympthay for her.
In all earnest, I hope you get hit by a bus PP. No sympathy for you.
A bus, really? Have you no imagination??? How about an asteroid instead? Much more news worthy!
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:10
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know how to say this without sounding like a real c*nt, but I'm saying it anyway. When he asked her to put out the cigarette, why was she so pissy and disrespectful? Did I miss part of the video, was he hateful to her first. We all know most cops are arrogant assholes. But we don't have to be belligerent back. Just do what they say and no one gets hurt.
So it's okay for the police to attack you for smoking in your car. Wow. WTF has happened to people in this country?
It's always the initial action that the defenders revert back to. NO, it's not ok to be attacked for smoking in your car. NO, it's not ok to be killed for stealing a bag of chips. But, she wasn't attacked for smoking in her car. She reacted in such a hostile way, she escalated everything. Do you actually excuse (and endorse) the blatant disrespect and anti-authoritarian stance she took?
He is a trained police officer. No matter how much of an ass the citizen is, he should be capable of restraint.
If my kid is an ass to his teacher, I don't expect the teacher to beat him, no matter how much my kid is "asking for it". Trained professionals are expected to maintain a higher standard.
He should have written her a ticket for the failure to signal and sent her on her way.
By your logic, anything the cop asks you to do during a traffic stop, you should just do, because it's not worth getting killed over.
Cops are not God. We have a right and even a responsibility to stand up for our rights. We should not have to cower before policemen because if we don't,they might kill us.
It's not illegal to be hostile or a jerk or disrespectful. I agree, it's not wise and I don't endorse it. But average citizens should not end up dead for being jerks.
Cops should be better than that.
Frankly I can't believe people are actually excusing, and endorsing, a citizen ending up dead because she was (you say) nasty to a cop.
I am astounded that people can't admit that she should have kept her flippin' mouth shut. Believe it or not, one can RESPECTFULLY stand up for his rights. Hateful comebacks and outright refusal to comply with a normal request is not standing up for rights, it's just being aggressive to rebel. I totally agree this cop is a creep. He way overdid it - and however she died, it's a horrible, horrible and undeserved result. I can admit he went overboard, but unfortunately when you push and test your limits with an a-hole, you're going to get sh*t on.
I can admit she should have kept her mouth shut.
And that does not in any way excuse the actions of the cop.
The kid in MD. recently should not have stolen birthday cake.
and that does not in any way excuse the man who beat him to death.
With great power comes great responsibility. Armed, trained officials need to manage THEIR emotions so that responses are proportional to the offense.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:08
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She broke the law initially. She was wrong. She put herself in that situation.
There are some police officers that do have an attitude, but black or white, you be polite and comply and deal with the ticket/warning after the fact.
She esclated the the interaction...no sympthay for her.
I do have sympathy for her, and it should not have ended this way. That said, in addition to police escalating the situation, she did her part in escalating it as well. It was a simple offence to which if she had politely complied, this would have ended very differently.
Did your crystal ball tell you that?
Yup. I bet you're one of those people with a chip on their shoulder that cant keep their mouth shut.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:06
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know how to say this without sounding like a real c*nt, but I'm saying it anyway. When he asked her to put out the cigarette, why was she so pissy and disrespectful? Did I miss part of the video, was he hateful to her first. We all know most cops are arrogant assholes. But we don't have to be belligerent back. Just do what they say and no one gets hurt.
So it's okay for the police to attack you for smoking in your car. Wow. WTF has happened to people in this country?
What's happened to our country is we've taught our kids to disrespect and question all authority. The first place outside of the house where this is learned is school. God forbid a teacher try to punish your darling Larla. Too many parents encourage their snowflakes to rebel against rules and ramifications.
+100
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:05
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know how to say this without sounding like a real c*nt, but I'm saying it anyway. When he asked her to put out the cigarette, why was she so pissy and disrespectful? Did I miss part of the video, was he hateful to her first. We all know most cops are arrogant assholes. But we don't have to be belligerent back. Just do what they say and no one gets hurt.
So it's okay for the police to attack you for smoking in your car. Wow. WTF has happened to people in this country?
It's always the initial action that the defenders revert back to. NO, it's not ok to be attacked for smoking in your car. NO, it's not ok to be killed for stealing a bag of chips. But, she wasn't attacked for smoking in her car. She reacted in such a hostile way, she escalated everything. Do you actually excuse (and endorse) the blatant disrespect and anti-authoritarian stance she took?
He is a trained police officer. No matter how much of an ass the citizen is, he should be capable of restraint.
If my kid is an ass to his teacher, I don't expect the teacher to beat him, no matter how much my kid is "asking for it". Trained professionals are expected to maintain a higher standard.
He should have written her a ticket for the failure to signal and sent her on her way.
By your logic, anything the cop asks you to do during a traffic stop, you should just do, because it's not worth getting killed over.
Cops are not God. We have a right and even a responsibility to stand up for our rights. We should not have to cower before policemen because if we don't,they might kill us.
It's not illegal to be hostile or a jerk or disrespectful. I agree, it's not wise and I don't endorse it. But average citizens should not end up dead for being jerks.
Cops should be better than that.
Frankly I can't believe people are actually excusing, and endorsing, a citizen ending up dead because she was (you say) nasty to a cop.
I am astounded that people can't admit that she should have kept her flippin' mouth shut. Believe it or not, one can RESPECTFULLY stand up for his rights. Hateful comebacks and outright refusal to comply with a normal request is not standing up for rights, it's just being aggressive to rebel. I totally agree this cop is a creep. He way overdid it - and however she died, it's a horrible, horrible and undeserved result. I can admit he went overboard, but unfortunately when you push and test your limits with an a-hole, you're going to get sh*t on.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:05
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She broke the law initially. She was wrong. She put herself in that situation.
There are some police officers that do have an attitude, but black or white, you be polite and comply and deal with the ticket/warning after the fact.
She esclated the the interaction...no sympthay for her.
I agree, the penalty for failure to use your signal is death. Next time you speed or forget to use your turn signal, or drive with a burned out tail light you were not aware of , I think you should be prosecuted for a capital offense.
Not a bad idea. If the penalty was death, I bet there would be a lot less traffic fatalities. Oh, an the event would probably never have happened.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 10:05
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:If she were in court acting that belligerent would she go to jail on contempt charges?
But I bet the judge wouldn't hop off the bench and tase her before the officers escorted her to her cell. I've seen lawyers act a complete fool in the courtroom, held in contempt and then admonished and dismissed. Only some people have the benefit of consequence-free, no death belligerence??