Anonymous wrote:The way the "feds" reply on this listserv make me cringe. They sound so entitled and self righteous. They don't need to explain to anyone what they do, but making $225K is totally OK. Median household income in 2014 was $51,939. That includes double income households.

I'm not saying everyone has to make $52K or even twice that $104K, I'm saying that more than 50% of Americans are paying taxes based on salaries of $52k...

Not everyone can post what they do -- in my case, I am a gov't contractor making 165.....oh, I have a PhD in the physical sciences and 20 years of relevant experience. I can not tell you what I do -- by law. And I am not overpaid. If you want good people doing the work, you need to pay appropriately. The people that complain about the fed salaries have no idea what people do....in my case, I could leave my job and work for someone else and probably get a 50% bump. I chose not to because I believe in our mission and the work is interesting.

In my last project, the government lowered the labor rates 30% -- which would mean a 30% salary cut if people stayed on the project. However, what happened is I (and my colleagues) went to work for other projects. Now, the company that won can not deliver what the government wants -- they are meeting the requirements (which is hours in labor categories), but the work is not filling the needs.

Like everything else, you get what you pay for....

Anonymous wrote:The way the "feds" reply on this listserv make me cringe. They sound so entitled and self righteous. They don't need to explain to anyone what they do, but making $225K is totally OK. Median household income in 2014 was $51,939. That includes double income households.

I'm not saying everyone has to make $52K or even twice that $104K, I'm saying that more than 50% of Americans are paying taxes based on salaries of $52k...

I am not the PP making $225k but it is not as simple as saying - "You. Attorney working in the govt making $225. You should be making $52. We will be adjusting for that." and expect the employee to stay in the job. If you try to recruit for that job and you want someone with knowledge of the area, you are either going to be looking in the banking industry or biglaw so you need to pick a salary where you can attract qualified people. Typically, fed jobs offer less but have more flexibility or some experience to offset the salary decrease.

There are feds with Phds working at NASA, NIH, etc. and you can't expect to attract someone with $25/hour and live in the DC area (which is close to what I have seen some nannies with no education make in this area).

I am not a fed but I have been looking at the postings of non-fed salaries and they seem to be around $100k so not sure why similarly educated folks should make substantially less because they work for the government. If you look at the median income of the DC are (just googled), it is $90 so folks are making around that much. The $225k was an anomaly - I don't think I saw another fed post over $125 (just a gut feeling - not tallying up the pages to write this post).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:39, government attorney, 225K

How can you work for the federal government and make so much more than a Member of Congress??? You're not exactly a Cabinet member.

Isn't there a statute against that....

Funded by bank fees. That have to pay that much to even hope to get staff; the personnel they are regulating at the banks are paids many hundreds of thousands.

I asked the question, then did some of my own research:

http://www.fedsmith.com/2009/06/23/federal-employees-making-more-than-members/

From the article above:"The number of federal employees making more than those elected Congressional representatives is relatively small. In last week’s article, I randomly selected human resources management as a career field to search and found two people in the database making more than $200,000. These jobs are in the Comptroller of the Currency which is within the Department of the Treasury. - See more at: http://www.fedsmith.com/2009/06/23/federal-employees-making-more-than-members/#sthash.HUGKXitz.dpuf"

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:39, government attorney, 225K

How can you work for the federal government and make so much more than a Member of Congress??? You're not exactly a Cabinet member.

Isn't there a statute against that....

Funded by bank fees. That have to pay that much to even hope to get staff; the personnel they are regulating at the banks are paids many hundreds of thousands.

I asked the question, then did some of my own research:

http://www.fedsmith.com/2009/06/23/federal-employees-making-more-than-members/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Uber. $400k.

Driver?

Lol no, obviously not.

The way the "feds" reply on this listserv make me cringe. They sound so entitled and self righteous. They don't need to explain to anyone what they do, but making $225K is totally OK. Median household income in 2014 was $51,939. That includes double income households.

I'm not saying everyone has to make $52K or even twice that $104K, I'm saying that more than 50% of Americans are paying taxes based on salaries of $52k...

I'm an RN, on course to make about $90.000 this year. I have an ADN degree.
DH is a police officer, should make about $48,000 this yea =( He has a BS

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:39, government attorney, 225K

How can you work for the federal government and make so much more than a Member of Congress??? You're not exactly a Cabinet member.

Isn't there a statute against that....

Funded by bank fees. That have to pay that much to even hope to get staff; the personnel they are regulating at the banks are paids many hundreds of thousands.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it so strange that people list "Fed" as their profession.

Me too! What does this mean?

I find it really disturbing how many people list "Fed" and list six-figure salaries. This is our tax dollars! OMG. No wonder our country runs a deficit...

1- go the fuck away. why shouldn't attorneys, doctors, nurses, accountants, engineers etc be paid decent wages commensurate with education and experience?

2- if you want to blame excessive spending on something, blame military spending.

3- these are. not this is.

According to the nuts like PP they should work for free.

I think there is a large distance between "free" and six figures. It seems to me in light of pension and other large costs born by taxpayers, prudent salaries are reasonable.

FTE Feds are much much cheaper to taxpayers than contractors who get no benefits and yet their contracting companies charge 3-10 times as much per employee as the employees are paid.

Also FTEs are civil servants who do their jobs for American People, so they take much lower salaries than they would have in the private sector.

No gov't contracting company has a multiplier of 10 (or even three). It is typically 2 - 2.5, depending on if the gov't provides the office. And the breakdown of costs is:

Salary: ~ 1x
Benefits: ~0.45 x (soc. security company portion, 401K match, vacation, health care, disability, etc).
Contracts Admin: .2
Marketing expenses: .25
Management: .1

Anonymous wrote:39, government attorney, 225K

How can you work for the federal government and make so much more than a Member of Congress??? You're not exactly a Cabinet member.

Isn't there a statute against that....

Anonymous wrote:Age 33: IT system architect - 160k
No degree

What does a system arc do? Like managing servers, cloud?

The comment about military spending being too high is laughable.

Anonymous wrote:Uber. $400k.

Driver?

SAHM $0; fed DH $120K

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it so strange that people list "Fed" as their profession.

Me too! What does this mean?

I find it really disturbing how many people list "Fed" and list six-figure salaries. This is our tax dollars! OMG. No wonder our country runs a deficit...

1- go the fuck away. why shouldn't attorneys, doctors, nurses, accountants, engineers etc be paid decent wages commensurate with education and experience?

2- if you want to blame excessive spending on something, blame military spending.

3- these are. not this is.

According to the nuts like PP they should work for free.

I think there is a large distance between "free" and six figures. It seems to me in light of pension and other large costs born by taxpayers, prudent salaries are reasonable.

FTE Feds are much much cheaper to taxpayers than contractors who get no benefits and yet their contracting companies charge 3-10 times as much per employee as the employees are paid.

Also FTEs are civil servants who do their jobs for American People, so they take much lower salaries than they would have in the private sector.