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Anonymous wrote:There is no total given in that class size counts FOIA request, so you have to add up the students in all of the columns to find out how many children are really in each classroom. Below is the list of students listed in AAP who are in classrooms under 20. I sorted by AAP and then by class size. It isn't a large number of classes. Of course Shrevewood is only listed once because they didn't bother to identify their 3rd grade classroom as AAP. The only LLIV programs that have less than 20 students in a class are at Columbia, Halley, Poplar Tree, Chesterbrook, and Shrevewood Elementaries. LLIV programs are supposed to allow mixing of children. Centers as a rule throughout FCPS do not mix the GE and AAP children.

BEECH TREE ELEM 03 AAP* 15
RIVERSIDE ELEM 03 AAP* 15
SHREVEWOOD ELEM 04 AAP* 15
RIVERSIDE ELEM 04 AAP 16
BEECH TREE ELEM 04 AAP* 16
COLUMBIA ELEM 03 AAP 17
RIVERSIDE ELEM 04 AAP 17
MASON CREST ELEM 05 AAP* 17
RIVERSIDE ELEM 06 AAP 18
RIVERSIDE ELEM 03 AAP 18
CLEARVIEW ELEM 06 AAP 18
MASON CREST ELEM 05 AAP* 18
DEER PARK ELEM 04 AAP* 18
SANGSTER ELEM 03 AAP 19
LEMON ROAD ELEM 04 AAP* 19
WESTLAWN ELEM 04 AAP* 19
MASON CREST ELEM 05 AAP* 19
HALLEY ELEM 05 AAP* 19
DEER PARK ELEM 05 AAP* 19
MASON CREST ELEM 03 AAP* 19
MASON CREST ELEM 05 AAP* 19
GLEN FOREST ELEM 04 AAP* 19
MASON CREST ELEM 03 AAP* 19
LEMON ROAD ELEM 04 AAP* 19
TIMBER LANE ELEM 06 AAP* 19
POPLAR TREE ELEM 05 AAP* 19
CHESTERBROOK ELEM06 AAP* 19

Thanks for this.

Lemon Road is a center and not an LLIV and it mixes in some GE kids in the AAP classrooms. Or for the combined 4-5 classroom, LR mixes 3 AAP kids with 20 GE kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

She should not be creating combination classes and having kindergarten classes in the high 20's just to make an AAP class of 14 kids. For all I know this school got an extra teacher beyond what they should have. Phyllis Pajardo agreed that many schools gave false data about their numbers to get additional teachers and then FCPS decided not to pull the teachers. They say they will next year after the 10th day. I still think this school needs some serious oversight. And if Garza thinks other schools are going to stand for class sizes over 30 while Shrevewood AAP classes are well under 20, she better be willing to allow transfers into the school.

I think there's an imbalance across the entire FCPS in part because it is hard to move teachers around the system (because each school's admin wants to consolidate power and keep their FTEs).

Lemon Road has 22 total classrooms and 13 out of 22 of them have classes with 22 or fewer kids.

Isn't FCPS planning on putting class size caps for 2015-2016 school year? Read reports that it will be capped at 27 for 1-3 and 30 for 4-6.

http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20150320/NEWS/150329848&source=RSS&template=gazette

This is the first article I've read that caps the classes for the beginning of the year at least. From there though, the class size can increase. One aide for the grade is allocated until all classes in a grade read the state cap limit. So if you have four fourth grade classes of 30 students, You could get an influx of 20 more students and one aide before getting an additional teacher in place of the aide.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

She should not be creating combination classes and having kindergarten classes in the high 20's just to make an AAP class of 14 kids. For all I know this school got an extra teacher beyond what they should have. Phyllis Pajardo agreed that many schools gave false data about their numbers to get additional teachers and then FCPS decided not to pull the teachers. They say they will next year after the 10th day. I still think this school needs some serious oversight. And if Garza thinks other schools are going to stand for class sizes over 30 while Shrevewood AAP classes are well under 20, she better be willing to allow transfers into the school.

I think there's an imbalance across the entire FCPS in part because it is hard to move teachers around the system (because each school's admin wants to consolidate power and keep their FTEs).

Lemon Road has 22 total classrooms and 13 out of 22 of them have classes with 22 or fewer kids.

Isn't FCPS planning on putting class size caps for 2015-2016 school year? Read reports that it will be capped at 27 for 1-3 and 30 for 4-6.

http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20150320/NEWS/150329848&source=RSS&template=gazette

This is the first article I've read that caps the classes for the beginning of the year at least. From there though, the class size can increase. One aide for the grade is allocated until all classes in a grade read the state cap limit. So if you have four fourth grade classes of 30 students, You could get an influx of 20 more students and one aide before getting an additional teacher in place of the aide.

Anonymous wrote:There is no total given in that class size counts FOIA request, so you have to add up the students in all of the columns to find out how many children are really in each classroom. Below is the list of students listed in AAP who are in classrooms under 20. I sorted by AAP and then by class size. It isn't a large number of classes. Of course Shrevewood is only listed once because they didn't bother to identify their 3rd grade classroom as AAP. The only LLIV programs that have less than 20 students in a class are at Columbia, Halley, Poplar Tree, Chesterbrook, and Shrevewood Elementaries. LLIV programs are supposed to allow mixing of children. Centers as a rule throughout FCPS do not mix the GE and AAP children.

BEECH TREE ELEM 03 AAP* 15
RIVERSIDE ELEM 03 AAP* 15
SHREVEWOOD ELEM 04 AAP* 15
RIVERSIDE ELEM 04 AAP 16
BEECH TREE ELEM 04 AAP* 16
COLUMBIA ELEM 03 AAP 17
RIVERSIDE ELEM 04 AAP 17
MASON CREST ELEM 05 AAP* 17
RIVERSIDE ELEM 06 AAP 18
RIVERSIDE ELEM 03 AAP 18
CLEARVIEW ELEM 06 AAP 18
MASON CREST ELEM 05 AAP* 18
DEER PARK ELEM 04 AAP* 18
SANGSTER ELEM 03 AAP 19
LEMON ROAD ELEM 04 AAP* 19
WESTLAWN ELEM 04 AAP* 19
MASON CREST ELEM 05 AAP* 19
HALLEY ELEM 05 AAP* 19
DEER PARK ELEM 05 AAP* 19
MASON CREST ELEM 03 AAP* 19
MASON CREST ELEM 05 AAP* 19
GLEN FOREST ELEM 04 AAP* 19
MASON CREST ELEM 03 AAP* 19
LEMON ROAD ELEM 04 AAP* 19
TIMBER LANE ELEM 06 AAP* 19
POPLAR TREE ELEM 05 AAP* 19
CHESTERBROOK ELEM06 AAP* 19

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

She should not be creating combination classes and having kindergarten classes in the high 20's just to make an AAP class of 14 kids. For all I know this school got an extra teacher beyond what they should have. Phyllis Pajardo agreed that many schools gave false data about their numbers to get additional teachers and then FCPS decided not to pull the teachers. They say they will next year after the 10th day. I still think this school needs some serious oversight. And if Garza thinks other schools are going to stand for class sizes over 30 while Shrevewood AAP classes are well under 20, she better be willing to allow transfers into the school.

I think there's an imbalance across the entire FCPS in part because it is hard to move teachers around the system (because each school's admin wants to consolidate power and keep their FTEs).

Lemon Road has 22 total classrooms and 13 out of 22 of them have classes with 22 or fewer kids.

Isn't FCPS planning on putting class size caps for 2015-2016 school year? Read reports that it will be capped at 27 for 1-3 and 30 for 4-6.

http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20150320/NEWS/150329848&source=RSS&template=gazette

Anonymous wrote:There is no total given in that class size counts FOIA request, so you have to add up the students in all of the columns to find out how many children are really in each classroom. Below is the list of students listed in AAP who are in classrooms under 20. I sorted by AAP and then by class size. It isn't a large number of classes. Of course Shrevewood is only listed once because they didn't bother to identify their 3rd grade classroom as AAP. The only LLIV programs that have less than 20 students in a class are at Columbia, Halley, Poplar Tree, Chesterbrook, and Shrevewood Elementaries. LLIV programs are supposed to allow mixing of children. Centers as a rule throughout FCPS do not mix the GE and AAP children.

BEECH TREE ELEM 03 AAP* 15
RIVERSIDE ELEM 03 AAP* 15
SHREVEWOOD ELEM 04 AAP* 15
RIVERSIDE ELEM 04 AAP 16
BEECH TREE ELEM 04 AAP* 16
COLUMBIA ELEM 03 AAP 17
RIVERSIDE ELEM 04 AAP 17
MASON CREST ELEM 05 AAP* 17
RIVERSIDE ELEM 06 AAP 18
RIVERSIDE ELEM 03 AAP 18
CLEARVIEW ELEM 06 AAP 18
MASON CREST ELEM 05 AAP* 18
DEER PARK ELEM 04 AAP* 18
SANGSTER ELEM 03 AAP 19
LEMON ROAD ELEM 04 AAP* 19
WESTLAWN ELEM 04 AAP* 19
MASON CREST ELEM 05 AAP* 19
HALLEY ELEM 05 AAP* 19
DEER PARK ELEM 05 AAP* 19
MASON CREST ELEM 03 AAP* 19
MASON CREST ELEM 05 AAP* 19
GLEN FOREST ELEM 04 AAP* 19
MASON CREST ELEM 03 AAP* 19
LEMON ROAD ELEM 04 AAP* 19
TIMBER LANE ELEM 06 AAP* 19
POPLAR TREE ELEM 05 AAP* 19
CHESTERBROOK ELEM06 AAP* 19

Anonymous wrote:

She should not be creating combination classes and having kindergarten classes in the high 20's just to make an AAP class of 14 kids. For all I know this school got an extra teacher beyond what they should have. Phyllis Pajardo agreed that many schools gave false data about their numbers to get additional teachers and then FCPS decided not to pull the teachers. They say they will next year after the 10th day. I still think this school needs some serious oversight. And if Garza thinks other schools are going to stand for class sizes over 30 while Shrevewood AAP classes are well under 20, she better be willing to allow transfers into the school.

Anonymous wrote:

Can you add the schools that have less than 25 children? I think 20-25 should be included especially when next year FCPS has so graciously given us one assistant over all classes in one grade for any class between 30-36 students. So glad to hear my child could be in a class of 35 with an assistant for about 2 hours out of the day while Shrevewood AAP kids get 14 kids to a class.

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the excel file.

Looks like pretty much all of the other LLIV schools infill with GE or principal placed AAP to fill in their class sizes and keep it relatively consistent across the school. It's a big excel file so perhaps I missed some

Interesting to see from that classsizecounts site that it did a FOIA and learned that there are over 1,000 FCPS elementary school classrooms that have a class size of 20 or less, so I guess it is not that uncommon.

It just looks like Shrevewood just doesn't infill or principal place; sucks a bit for those other teachers but it's not that bad. For example the 4th grade AAP class is 15 kids, but the other three 4th grade classes are 20, 21, and 22 kids. I guess they could principal place 3 kids into the LLIV class to make it 18, 20, 20 and 20 but that mountains out of a molehill.

The fiscally responsible thing would move one teacher and turn it into three classes of 26 kids each.

That's not going to happen. Parents would be up in arms, especially if you compare it to nearby schools like Lemon Road.

4th grade LR class sizes are 19 (AAP), 19 (AAP), 22 and 23 (combined 4+5 class). You can't take a teacher away from Shrevewood if Lemon Road has that sort of class size also.

Anonymous wrote:Yep - she promised them a small class size and that she would not "principal place" any students. Kind of shady, frankly. But the present 4th grade parents were very insistent about that ....if they were to keep their children there, there would be no mingling.

The 4th grade class is now a little bigger because kids tested in over the summer - parents realized that the AAP kids were getting more than their kids were.

Anonymous wrote:FYI -- Beech Tree, Glen Forest, Mason Crest, and Westlawn are Title I schools.