Anonymous
05/05/2015 07:48
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
If you don't want people to draw something... Don't tell them that they are forbidden . They will lose interest very quickly.
Anonymous
05/05/2015 07:37
Subject: Re:Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
A friend sent this to me:
In the midst of the civil rights demonstrations led by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., some Birmingham clergymen wrote an open letter to King asking that he not take such action. In his famous "Letter from the Birmingham Jail" King responded: "In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn't this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery"?
A peaceful march is hardly the same thing as the Mohammed cartoon event, but you could apply the same statement.
I do believe that, no matter the motive, this is an issue of free speech.
In the midst of the civil rights demonstrations led by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., some Birmingham clergymen wrote an open letter to King asking that he not take such action. In his famous "Letter from the Birmingham Jail" King responded: "In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn't this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery"?
A peaceful march is hardly the same thing as the Mohammed cartoon event, but you could apply the same statement.
I do believe that, no matter the motive, this is an issue of free speech.
Anonymous
05/05/2015 07:28
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I think we all know that what they did is protected by law. That doesn't make it admirable, or even advisable.
I think it would be blasphemous to *not* draw the cartoons. As Americans we are taught not to bow down to kings, or to warrior dudes that lived 1400 years ago.
There is nothing hateful or racist about the cartoons. Consider the winning entry with a picture of Muhammed saying "You can't draw me" with the caption "That is why I draw you." Except for the name of the person, this is the sort of mild satire that one finds daily in political cartoons in newspapers across America. I hope we will be able to see the full collection of entries.
So yes I do think what the cartoonists did in Texas was very admirable.
Yet there are a billion peaceful muslims whose religious beliefs you are offending. They aren't asking you to "bow down". In fact, quite the opposite, they oppose "graven images". It is a biblical command against idolatry.
Anonymous
05/05/2015 04:13
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Anonymous wrote:
I think we all know that what they did is protected by law. That doesn't make it admirable, or even advisable.
I think it would be blasphemous to *not* draw the cartoons. As Americans we are taught not to bow down to kings, or to warrior dudes that lived 1400 years ago.
There is nothing hateful or racist about the cartoons. Consider the winning entry with a picture of Muhammed saying "You can't draw me" with the caption "That is why I draw you." Except for the name of the person, this is the sort of mild satire that one finds daily in political cartoons in newspapers across America. I hope we will be able to see the full collection of entries.
So yes I do think what the cartoonists did in Texas was very admirable.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 22:11
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ah, and now we turn the discussion from the radical Muslim murders to the republican gun nuts. I can't believe it actually took this long.
Today the thugs/terrorists/ISIS-sympathizes (whatever you want to call them) targeted a high profile event in America. Meanwhile, in the Middle East and Africa, ISIS, Boko-Harem and their sympathizers slaughter Yazidis, Shiites, and Christians simply for not being Sunni.
How long until there is another 9/11 here? And why are we letting this discussion somehow get diverted into bashing republicans?
I really am not seeing Muslims as the victims here.
A high profile event created for the sole purpose of provoking a response.
So what? Westboro Baptist does that all the time. Come to think of it, so do various flag burners. So what?
+1000
This issue is firmly settled law. You think the Skokie march back in the 1970s somehow wasn't "created for the sole purpose of provoking a response" ??!?
OF COURSE IT WAS! And that is completely irrelevant to the rights at issue!
I think we all know that what they did is protected by law. That doesn't make it admirable, or even advisable.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 21:46
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ah, and now we turn the discussion from the radical Muslim murders to the republican gun nuts. I can't believe it actually took this long.
Today the thugs/terrorists/ISIS-sympathizes (whatever you want to call them) targeted a high profile event in America. Meanwhile, in the Middle East and Africa, ISIS, Boko-Harem and their sympathizers slaughter Yazidis, Shiites, and Christians simply for not being Sunni.
How long until there is another 9/11 here? And why are we letting this discussion somehow get diverted into bashing republicans?
I really am not seeing Muslims as the victims here.
A high profile event created for the sole purpose of provoking a response.
So what? Westboro Baptist does that all the time. Come to think of it, so do various flag burners. So what?
+1000
This issue is firmly settled law. You think the Skokie march back in the 1970s somehow wasn't "created for the sole purpose of provoking a response" ??!?
OF COURSE IT WAS! And that is completely irrelevant to the rights at issue!
Anonymous
05/04/2015 20:47
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow there were a lot of cops at that place...looks like a full swat team was protecting the event.
The event venue required $10,000 in security.
That's not that high for a special event where there are security concerns. What amount do you think DCPS spends a week to man all the 'security-theater" metal detectors at Wilson HS?
Not to mention the money it takes to provide security to the various and sundry protests and marches.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 20:24
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wow there were a lot of cops at that place...looks like a full swat team was protecting the event.
The event venue required $10,000 in security.
That's not that high for a special event where there are security concerns. What amount do you think DCPS spends a week to man all the 'security-theater" metal detectors at Wilson HS?
Anonymous
05/04/2015 20:04
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ah, and now we turn the discussion from the radical Muslim murders to the republican gun nuts. I can't believe it actually took this long.
Today the thugs/terrorists/ISIS-sympathizes (whatever you want to call them) targeted a high profile event in America. Meanwhile, in the Middle East and Africa, ISIS, Boko-Harem and their sympathizers slaughter Yazidis, Shiites, and Christians simply for not being Sunni.
How long until there is another 9/11 here? And why are we letting this discussion somehow get diverted into bashing republicans?
I really am not seeing Muslims as the victims here.
A high profile event created for the sole purpose of provoking a response.
So what? Westboro Baptist does that all the time. Come to think of it, so do various flag burners. So what?
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:47
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Wow there were a lot of cops at that place...looks like a full swat team was protecting the event.
The event venue required $10,000 in security.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:30
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Wow there were a lot of cops at that place...looks like a full swat team was protecting the event.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:26
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ah, and now we turn the discussion from the radical Muslim murders to the republican gun nuts. I can't believe it actually took this long.
Today the thugs/terrorists/ISIS-sympathizes (whatever you want to call them) targeted a high profile event in America. Meanwhile, in the Middle East and Africa, ISIS, Boko-Harem and their sympathizers slaughter Yazidis, Shiites, and Christians simply for not being Sunni.
How long until there is another 9/11 here? And why are we letting this discussion somehow get diverted into bashing republicans?
I really am not seeing Muslims as the victims here.
A high profile event created for the sole purpose of provoking a response.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:23
Subject: Re:Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous
I for one can't wait to find out how these guys on terror watch list were able to obtain AK-47s.
I bet they bought the weapons from some conservative gun nut.
Yep. Studies of crimes show that the overwhelming majority of crimes involving guns were committed with guns that were purchased either outright legally or via the many easily exploitable loopholes, such as private sales. The NRA likes to promote mythology that guns involved in crimes were mostly acquired illegally but that is simply not true.
The gun rights advocates who oppose things like universal background checks and traceability of guns make it so so so much easier for criminals and would-be terrorists to get guns. They are a terrorist's best friend.
Anonymous
05/04/2015 19:01
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Ah, and now we turn the discussion from the radical Muslim murders to the republican gun nuts. I can't believe it actually took this long.
Today the thugs/terrorists/ISIS-sympathizes (whatever you want to call them) targeted a high profile event in America. Meanwhile, in the Middle East and Africa, ISIS, Boko-Harem and their sympathizers slaughter Yazidis, Shiites, and Christians simply for not being Sunni.
How long until there is another 9/11 here? And why are we letting this discussion somehow get diverted into bashing republicans?
I really am not seeing Muslims as the victims here.
jsteele
05/04/2015 18:58
Subject: Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas
Anonymous wrote:Get a clue and learn to read. Christians and Jews are ridiculed repeatedly in the US--hell here on DCUM and there is no outrage, no excuses made for murderous acts and no attacks on those ridiculing. There is a double standard at play here. Some religions--or rather one religion--is untouchable.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, where is the outrage?Anonymous wrote:Where is the collective outrage when it is Christians and Jews being ridiculed? Not on DCUM where it goes on weekly if not daily.
You want Christians and Jews to start shooting people? It already happens.
I remove anti-Semitic posts all the time. There really aren't that many anti-Christian posts beyond those posts by atheists that are attacks on all religions. With so-called "anti-Jewish" posts there is often disagreement when posts that are anti-Israeli are reported as being anti-Semetic. But, the idea that I allow more attacks on Christianity or Judaism that I do on Islam is simply wrong.