Anonymous
02/17/2015 15:03
Subject: Re:Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
It's 50% Henry James and 50% Candace Bushnell. No wonder it's a train wreck. This family hasn't decided yet what century it wants to live in.
Anonymous
02/17/2015 14:39
Subject: Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think Emily Bazelon showed very poor judgment writing this piece. She's a good writer, with a solid legal education, and should do better than this kind of breathless, voyeuristic stuff, where anyone with half a brain can see that the purported victim has some serious serious credibility issues. Sexual violence on campus is important, but this is not the way to cover it. She just chose the sensationalistic story instead of focusing on the actual documented rapes that seem to have happened at Stanford over the past few years.
Actually it is important to bring to light that it is no OK to falsely accuse someone of rape.
Well, if that's what you take from this story, then I guess I'm wrong about it! Even so, she could have done a better piece on false accusations.
Anonymous
02/17/2015 14:33
Subject: Re:Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
Anonymous wrote:I don't see the age as an issue
Me either. Not unusual for college girls to date someone established rather than their frat obsessed class mates.
He was a millionaire with worldly experience. She was middle class, a college girl from tight knit, religious family. Their worlds were worlds apart. He had the kind of money, power and experience that used to take men much longer to acquire in times past.
In times past....you mean the time when people 'courted' and teenage girls weren't pimped out as models by their mothers? She would also only be considered 'middle class' by DC standards. Her dad is chairman of anesthesiology at Fairfax Hospital. She was represented by Ford Models from age 15-22. She may have been a virgin but it isn't like she wasn't 'worldly'. Reading the words of her mother, they seemed to be well suited. That is, until her crazy became too much for him. If only he'd seen the joy of the Sacred Heart!
They live in a house that's probably worth over $1.5 million. It's not a middle-class area even by DC standards.
Anonymous
02/17/2015 14:28
Subject: Re:Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
I wonder what kind of birth control they used. I'm surprised she didn't include that in her complaint seeing what a strong Catholic she was. She sinned by having pre-marital sex. Did she also sin by using birth control - or did they use a church-sanctioned method? Seems like that has bearing on the nature of their relationship.
Anonymous
02/17/2015 14:24
Subject: Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
Anonymous wrote:I think Emily Bazelon showed very poor judgment writing this piece. She's a good writer, with a solid legal education, and should do better than this kind of breathless, voyeuristic stuff, where anyone with half a brain can see that the purported victim has some serious serious credibility issues. Sexual violence on campus is important, but this is not the way to cover it. She just chose the sensationalistic story instead of focusing on the actual documented rapes that seem to have happened at Stanford over the past few years.
Actually it is important to bring to light that it is no OK to falsely accuse someone of rape.
Anonymous
02/17/2015 14:22
Subject: Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
Anonymous wrote:I think part of Bazelon's point was the ambiguity here. She wasn't hiding that part of the story.
Well, I don't see much ambiguity. I see pretty clear evidence of a mentally unstable young woman involved with a very rich Silicon valley tech guy, which Bazelon tried to gussy up by connecting it to campus sexual violence and discrimination against women in the STEM fields. It's just really yucky to hijak important themes worthy of journalistic attention as a vehicle for a sensationalistic titilating story.
Anonymous
02/17/2015 14:22
Subject: Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
Anonymous wrote:I think Emily Bazelon showed very poor judgment writing this piece. She's a good writer, with a solid legal education, and should do better than this kind of breathless, voyeuristic stuff, where anyone with half a brain can see that the purported victim has some serious serious credibility issues. Sexual violence on campus is important, but this is not the way to cover it. She just chose the sensationalistic story instead of focusing on the actual documented rapes that seem to have happened at Stanford over the past few years.
I agree. This is a case with many blurred lines. He was older and a form of teacher. She seems accomplished but perhaps beset by mental problems... nothing is clear cut. That does not make it a good topic for discussion/ reporting because it shows the woman in the worst light. it is hard enough for women on campus with ... sexual issues .. whether it is rape or whatever this girl wants to call it. It is too ambiguous and really looks bad for college women who have much more clear cut stories to tell.
Anonymous
02/17/2015 14:13
Subject: Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
I think part of Bazelon's point was the ambiguity here. She wasn't hiding that part of the story.
Anonymous
02/17/2015 14:08
Subject: Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
I think Emily Bazelon showed very poor judgment writing this piece. She's a good writer, with a solid legal education, and should do better than this kind of breathless, voyeuristic stuff, where anyone with half a brain can see that the purported victim has some serious serious credibility issues. Sexual violence on campus is important, but this is not the way to cover it. She just chose the sensationalistic story instead of focusing on the actual documented rapes that seem to have happened at Stanford over the past few years.
Anonymous
02/17/2015 14:02
Subject: Re:Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else catch in her complaint that he'd sometimes have sex (rape?) her 10 times a day? Wow! When now-DH and I were vacationing together early in our relationship, the most he could do was 5 times a day. Even then, he'd get a blister on his penis that made things, well, challenging. I'm impressed with Joe.
In a Darwinian sense, he's a winner. Strong sexual prowess, presumably high T level, successful tech entrepreneur.
Anonymous
02/17/2015 13:56
Subject: Re:Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The mom is a white Tiger mom? Coached DD how to land big paycheck DH like her DH?
Joe Lonsdale is worth a heck of a lot more than a Vienna anesthesiologist.
Bigger stakes these days. Read that a lot of Tiger moms wanted more than the run of the mill lawyer, doctor, IB DH for their DDs after Zuckerberg married his Asian GF.
Ellie got her pay off, but I guess she wants more ...
And what payoff did she get from this fiasco? She wasn't paid off and now her name has been dragged through the mud in a NY times magazine article. Doesn't seem worth it to me.
Reading comprehension ... she was paid an undisclosed sum ...
Anonymous
02/17/2015 13:45
Subject: Re:Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
I don't see the age as an issue
Me either. Not unusual for college girls to date someone established rather than their frat obsessed class mates.
He was a millionaire with worldly experience. She was middle class, a college girl from tight knit, religious family. Their worlds were worlds apart. He had the kind of money, power and experience that used to take men much longer to acquire in times past.
In times past....you mean the time when people 'courted' and teenage girls weren't pimped out as models by their mothers? She would also only be considered 'middle class' by DC standards. Her dad is chairman of anesthesiology at Fairfax Hospital. She was represented by Ford Models from age 15-22. She may have been a virgin but it isn't like she wasn't 'worldly'. Reading the words of her mother, they seemed to be well suited. That is, until her crazy became too much for him. If only he'd seen the joy of the Sacred Heart!
Anonymous
02/17/2015 13:26
Subject: Re:Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is what happens in real life when a relationship is looking even remotely similar to "50 shades of grey".
Joke aside, not OK for him to pursue her when she was that young. It is also very hard for women to be in technology. Guys either are either condescending, or hate you if you are really good and kick their ass. She probably thought she found a short cut.
I don't see the age as an issue
Me either. Not unusual for college girls to date someone established rather than their frat obsessed class mates.
He was a millionaire with worldly experience. She was middle class, a college girl from tight knit, religious family. Their worlds were worlds apart. He had the kind of money, power and experience that used to take men much longer to acquire in times past.
"tight knit" is that what you call it?
Anonymous
02/17/2015 13:11
Subject: Re:Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else catch in her complaint that he'd sometimes have sex (rape?) her 10 times a day? Wow! When now-DH and I were vacationing together early in our relationship, the most he could do was 5 times a day. Even then, he'd get a blister on his penis that made things, well, challenging. I'm impressed with Joe.
Ha! This made me laugh! I remember those early days---definitely sore and 4-5 a night. 4 times in my wedding night!
10 is unthinkable. However--Viagra wasn't out back in my day.
Anonymous
02/17/2015 12:46
Subject: Re:Ellie Clougherty and Joe Lonsdale
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is what happens in real life when a relationship is looking even remotely similar to "50 shades of grey".
Joke aside, not OK for him to pursue her when she was that young. It is also very hard for women to be in technology. Guys either are either condescending, or hate you if you are really good and kick their ass. She probably thought she found a short cut.
I don't see the age as an issue
Me either. Not unusual for college girls to date someone established rather than their frat obsessed class mates.
He was a millionaire with worldly experience. She was middle class, a college girl from tight knit, religious family. Their worlds were worlds apart. He had the kind of money, power and experience that used to take men much longer to acquire in times past.