Anonymous wrote:What's scary is how quick everyone on DCUM is to assume racism.

The suspect appears to have been the last one seen with her. Then she disappeared. That's the primary reason we have as to why he's a suspect.

If he were white, I don't think things would be any different at this point - especially if a white suspect also had a past involving crime and possible sexual assault against women.

Who assumed racism?

Anonymous wrote:I don't think a single person has implied that he was charged because "racism". The only implication that was made as to his race is that some people think he was more likely to flee because he is a black guy who is a suspect in the disappearance of a white girl than because he is necessarily guilty.

Exactly. He could be innocent. He could be guilty. The fleeing doesn't set off alarm bells of HE TOTALLY DID IT! The way it would if a white suspect fled because we can all see where an innocent black guy could be scared as SHIT seeing how his all like and is playing out. I'm not declaring the guy innocent. I'm saying I can see if he were innocent why he fled, which of course to most of us implies certain guilt.

Anonymous wrote:Also, it is possible there was a consensual encounter in private that went wrong. But we are a very long way from jumping to that conclusion.

Fact I'm interested in is : what did the search of his apartment turn up? Is there evidence she was ever there?

I'm thinking that he wouldn't have brought her to his apartment since he had roommates. And they would have already told the police that she had been there.

I don't think a single person has implied that he was charged because "racism". The only implication that was made as to his race is that some people think he was more likely to flee because he is a black guy who is a suspect in the disappearance of a white girl than because he is necessarily guilty.

Also, it is possible there was a consensual encounter in private that went wrong. But we are a very long way from jumping to that conclusion.

Fact I'm interested in is : what did the search of his apartment turn up? Is there evidence she was ever there?

What's scary is how quick everyone on DCUM is to assume racism.

The suspect appears to have been the last one seen with her. Then she disappeared. That's the primary reason we have as to why he's a suspect.

If he were white, I don't think things would be any different at this point - especially if a white suspect also had a past involving crime and possible sexual assault against women.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is still entirely possible he gave her a ride somewhere and something else happened to her after that and he is terrified it's all getting pinned on him because he's the "scary black guy" last seen with a now missing white girl.

I am totally willing to eat crow if I'm wrong. Maybe he took advantage because she was drunk but she fought back and there was a struggle in which he accidentally killed her. I do NOT believe he had specific intent to kill her that night. He's the worst criminal ever if so, making sure he was seen up and down the mall by witnesses. They're a memorable pair.

I think this explanation makes a lot of sense. It's probably why he went to the police. He knows more, but was afraid of getting framed.

Yea... make sense... she probably put up a fuss when he was raping her and he just accidentally killed her when he was strangling and hitting her.

You're a hypocrite for being derisive of the posters you quote for what they think is one possible explanation, when what they think happened is just as likely as what you think happened at this point. There is no proof either way and I hope that the press conference at 3pm sheds some light as to what they have that prompted the charges.

Yes. It is possible he JUST killed her accidentally [b]while he was raping her... like the PP said. What is scary is that THAT POSTER DOES NOT THINK THAT IS BAD. It's not like he planned to kill her. Hey ... sherlock... that is still 1st degree murder.

No one is saying "that is not bad!" OMG. We can imagine a situation where one is reckless and self-absorbed and sexually forceful and yet not intended for the girl to die. Especially in a situation where the girl is inebriated, a guy (yes, a very bad guy who deserves to go to jail for a long time) might think he can get away with raping a girl (with no intent to kill her). We don't accept this as an excuse. But some of us can see where this guy might have been extremely reckless and it ended up killing her, but maybe he didn't intend to kill her. It makes a lot of sense to me....and if it's supported by the evidence, I want to see him suffer in jail for a very long time.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is still entirely possible he gave her a ride somewhere and something else happened to her after that and he is terrified it's all getting pinned on him because he's the "scary black guy" last seen with a now missing white girl.

I am totally willing to eat crow if I'm wrong. Maybe he took advantage because she was drunk but she fought back and there was a struggle in which he accidentally killed her. I do NOT believe he had specific intent to kill her that night. He's the worst criminal ever if so, making sure he was seen up and down the mall by witnesses. They're a memorable pair.

I think this explanation makes a lot of sense. It's probably why he went to the police. He knows more, but was afraid of getting framed.

Yea... make sense... she probably put up a fuss when he was raping her and he just accidentally killed her when he was strangling and hitting her.

You're a hypocrite for being derisive of the posters you quote for what they think is one possible explanation, when what they think happened is just as likely as what you think happened at this point. There is no proof either way and I hope that the press conference at 3pm sheds some light as to what they have that prompted the charges.

Yes. It is possible he JUST killed her accidentally [b]while he was raping her... like the PP said. What is scary is that THAT POSTER DOES NOT THINK THAT IS BAD. It's not like he planned to kill her. Hey ... sherlock... that is still 1st degree murder.

Of course I think it's bad, moron! Where did I say "but if that's what's happened it's cool?" It's just a possible explanation.

I feel like that's become the defense for all these UVa crimes -- will the killer didn't MEAN to kill her, so it must be ok. I mean isn't that what they said about the lax bro as well? At minimum that's manslaughter but it can be murder as well as intent can be implied depending on the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is still entirely possible he gave her a ride somewhere and something else happened to her after that and he is terrified it's all getting pinned on him because he's the "scary black guy" last seen with a now missing white girl.

I am totally willing to eat crow if I'm wrong. Maybe he took advantage because she was drunk but she fought back and there was a struggle in which he accidentally killed her. I do NOT believe he had specific intent to kill her that night. He's the worst criminal ever if so, making sure he was seen up and down the mall by witnesses. They're a memorable pair.

I think this explanation makes a lot of sense. It's probably why he went to the police. He knows more, but was afraid of getting framed.

Yea... make sense... she probably put up a fuss when he was raping her and he just accidentally killed her when he was strangling and hitting her.

You're a hypocrite for being derisive of the posters you quote for what they think is one possible explanation, when what they think happened is just as likely as what you think happened at this point. There is no proof either way and I hope that the press conference at 3pm sheds some light as to what they have that prompted the charges.

Yes. It is possible he JUST killed her accidentally [b]while he was raping her... like the PP said. What is scary is that THAT POSTER DOES NOT THINK THAT IS BAD. It's not like he planned to kill her. Hey ... sherlock... that is still 1st degree murder.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is still entirely possible he gave her a ride somewhere and something else happened to her after that and he is terrified it's all getting pinned on him because he's the "scary black guy" last seen with a now missing white girl.

I am totally willing to eat crow if I'm wrong. Maybe he took advantage because she was drunk but she fought back and there was a struggle in which he accidentally killed her. I do NOT believe he had specific intent to kill her that night. He's the worst criminal ever if so, making sure he was seen up and down the mall by witnesses. They're a memorable pair.

I think this explanation makes a lot of sense. It's probably why he went to the police. He knows more, but was afraid of getting framed.

Yea... make sense... she probably put up a fuss when he was raping her and he just accidentally killed her when he was strangling and hitting her.

You're a hypocrite for being derisive of the posters you quote for what they think is one possible explanation, when what they think happened is just as likely as what you think happened at this point. There is no proof either way and I hope that the press conference at 3pm sheds some light as to what they have that prompted the charges.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is still entirely possible he gave her a ride somewhere and something else happened to her after that and he is terrified it's all getting pinned on him because he's the "scary black guy" last seen with a now missing white girl.

I am totally willing to eat crow if I'm wrong. Maybe he took advantage because she was drunk but she fought back and there was a struggle in which he accidentally killed her. I do NOT believe he had specific intent to kill her that night. He's the worst criminal ever if so, making sure he was seen up and down the mall by witnesses. They're a memorable pair.

I think this explanation makes a lot of sense. It's probably why he went to the police. He knows more, but was afraid of getting framed.

Yea... make sense... she probably put up a fuss when he was raping her and he just accidentally killed her when he was strangling and hitting her.

Video of him talking in TX court here:

http://wtvr.com/2014/09/25/jesse-matthew-hannah-graham-abduction-suspect-in-court/

Anonymous wrote:I think it is still entirely possible he gave her a ride somewhere and something else happened to her after that and he is terrified it's all getting pinned on him because he's the "scary black guy" last seen with a now missing white girl.

I am totally willing to eat crow if I'm wrong. Maybe he took advantage because she was drunk but she fought back and there was a struggle in which he accidentally killed her. I do NOT believe he had specific intent to kill her that night. He's the worst criminal ever if so, making sure he was seen up and down the mall by witnesses. They're a memorable pair.

I think this explanation makes a lot of sense. It's probably why he went to the police. He knows more, but was afraid of getting framed.

The restaurant owner said she was never served any alcohol:

http://wtvr.com/2014/09/25/tempo-bar-did-not-serve-alcohol-to-hannah-graham/