Anonymous
Post 08/02/2014 21:10     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
Great article from a British/Israeli Jewish journalist explaining her disgust with Israel's policies and dismantling the efforts by pro-Netanyahu shills to equate anti-Israeli sentiments with anti-Semitism:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/theres-nothing-new-about-conflating-criticism-of-israel-with-antisemitism-9629803.html
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2014 21:01     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What Israel needs to do is replace its current government and embrace a one-state democracy with the Palestinians. It has a shrinking window to do this. The world is turning against Israel very rapidly. The power of social media and social activism at the global level has been greatly underestimated by the Israeli leadership.


It can't do that and maintain a Jewish state.


It should have thought about that before it evicted Palestinians from their homes and set up dozens of illegal settlements.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2014 20:32     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
Anonymous wrote:What Israel needs to do is replace its current government and embrace a one-state democracy with the Palestinians. It has a shrinking window to do this. The world is turning against Israel very rapidly. The power of social media and social activism at the global level has been greatly underestimated by the Israeli leadership.


It can't do that and maintain a Jewish state.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2014 20:26     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
What Israel needs to do is replace its current government and embrace a one-state democracy with the Palestinians. It has a shrinking window to do this. The world is turning against Israel very rapidly. The power of social media and social activism at the global level has been greatly underestimated by the Israeli leadership.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2014 20:19     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Israel will be here long after the morons posting here....


Don't fool yourself. The Brits and Americans who supported Israel in 1946 are asking themselves what they were thinking.


The only mistake they made was to put Israel in the Middle East, in an Arab-Muslim dominated area. I don't think any non Muslim country could live peacefully there and am surprised that Israel survived as long as it has. Had this country formed in South America instead-we all would have been better off. Maybe it is time for Israel to relocate-South America is emptying out into the US so there will be plenty of space. Let the Middle East obliterate themselves as there will never be peace there whether Israelis/Jews live there or not.



yeah

uh

no

http://www.adl.org/israel-international/latin-america/c/anti-semitism-in-latin-america.html
Anti-Semitism in Latin America
Incidents in 2012


And let's remove Europe from the list, too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/world/europe/anger-in-europe-over-the-israeli-gaza-conflict-reverberates-as-anti-semitism.html?_r=0
Anti-Semitism Rises in Europe Amid Israel-Gaza Conflict
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2014 19:45     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Israel will be here long after the morons posting here....


Don't fool yourself. The Brits and Americans who supported Israel in 1946 are asking themselves what they were thinking.


The only mistake they made was to put Israel in the Middle East, in an Arab-Muslim dominated area. I don't think any non Muslim country could live peacefully there and am surprised that Israel survived as long as it has. Had this country formed in South America instead-we all would have been better off. Maybe it is time for Israel to relocate-South America is emptying out into the US so there will be plenty of space. Let the Middle East obliterate themselves as there will never be peace there whether Israelis/Jews live there or not.


PP again-I do not condone how Israel is acting right now, innocent children should never be killed. That being said, perhaps living in such an environment can make anyone behave in such an inhumane manner.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2014 19:41     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Israel will be here long after the morons posting here....


Don't fool yourself. The Brits and Americans who supported Israel in 1946 are asking themselves what they were thinking.


The only mistake they made was to put Israel in the Middle East, in an Arab-Muslim dominated area. I don't think any non Muslim country could live peacefully there and am surprised that Israel survived as long as it has. Had this country formed in South America instead-we all would have been better off. Maybe it is time for Israel to relocate-South America is emptying out into the US so there will be plenty of space. Let the Middle East obliterate themselves as there will never be peace there whether Israelis/Jews live there or not.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2014 19:30     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
Anonymous wrote:Israel will be here long after the morons posting here....


Don't fool yourself. The Brits and Americans who supported Israel in 1946 are asking themselves what they were thinking.
jsteele
Post 08/02/2014 19:15     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Gaza and Hamas are two different things. That dead two day old baby didn't vote for Hamas.


By that logic Israel is different than its government. The fact is that Gaia voted for Hamas, period. So gazans must deal with the policies and actions of its government, just like the Israelis.


I assume you realize that this was exactly the justification used by Bin Laden. Average Americans such as those working in the World Trade Center voted for the American government. Therefore, they were guilty of that government's transgressions and were legitimate targets. When you find yourself on the same moral plane as Bin Laden, it may be time for a rethink.



That's a disgusting comparison and you know it. You are comparing Hamas to the us government. It's time for your idiotic academic exercise to end. You're clearly close-minded and refuse to respond to arguments that you can't win. You're not helping the dialogue. It's your type of opinion that only serves to make the issue worse. If you want to truly make a difference try climbing off your pedestal and gain some perspective. Otherwise you're just an angry voice in the crowd that will ultimately be ignored.


I'm going to make this even more clear for you:

You: "The fact is that Gaza voted for Hamas, period. So gazans must deal with the policies and actions of its government"

Bin Laden: "Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want."

http://web.archive.org/web/20130826184301/http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

Anonymous
Post 08/02/2014 19:06     Subject: Israel disgusts me.
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Your post was about, in part, us not funding Arab countries with military aid. We do that. In fact, as of 2008, we provided Afghanistan and Iraq, respectively, $6 billion and $4 billion. That is more than we provided Israel. http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/80701.pdf


I'm not sure where in that 700 page document you found your figures. But, the first thing to note is that Afghanistan is not an Arab country. Second, and again I don't see the $4 billion figure for Iraq in that document, that may have been a blip. We give Israel $3+ billion a year, every year. According to this page:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html

US aid has totalled $120,472,000,000.

According to this page:

http://gbk.eads.usaidallnet.gov/data/fast-facts.html

In FY12, Israel received $3.1 billion to Iraq's $1.9 billion.

So, Iraq and Afghanistan, countries we invaded, briefly exceeded Israel's annual assistance. I guess if Israel wants to be invaded in return for its aid, that would be worth considering. My point remains, we don't treat Israel nor does Israel see itself as being the same as Arab countries. But, if it would like to be treated like an Arab country, they should just say so.

That page shows that we also fund Arab countries significantly, and I was pointing out that military funding is also provided to other countries, largely in the Middle East. Israel's military funding is significantly to provide a hedge against our military funding of other countries in the Middle East, which has been $127 billion from 1946-2011.
jsteele
Post 08/02/2014 19:03     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the future - opposition to Israel around the globe and from people who won't change their negative view just because some Baby Boomer clicks her heels three times and says Hamas, Hamas, Hamas every time Israel's war crimes come up.

https://mobile.twitter.com/zrjaved/status/495629399451254784/photo/1


I'll stand up for gaza when Hamas disavows it's previous statements about the destruction of Israel. The desire for coexistence needs to be mutual.


Gaza and Hamas are two different things. That dead two day old baby didn't vote for Hamas.


By that logic Israel is different than its government. The fact is that Gaia voted for Hamas, period. So gazans must deal with the policies and actions of its government, just like the Israelis.


I assume you realize that this was exactly the justification used by Bin Laden. Average Americans such as those working in the World Trade Center voted for the American government. Therefore, they were guilty of that government's transgressions and were legitimate targets. When you find yourself on the same moral plane as Bin Laden, it may be time for a rethink.



That's a disgusting comparison and you know it. You are comparing Hamas to the us government. It's time for your idiotic academic exercise to end. You're clearly close-minded and refuse to respond to arguments that you can't win. You're not helping the dialogue. It's your type of opinion that only serves to make the issue worse. If you want to truly make a difference try climbing off your pedestal and gain some perspective. Otherwise you're just an angry voice in the crowd that will ultimately be ignored.


You just said that 44% of Gazans are legitimate targets, simply because of how they voted. Of course when there are people writing things like you just did, I am going to be angry. Any sane person would be angry. The comparison is accurate. Bin Laden articulated exactly the same idea that you did.

I didn't compare Hamas to the US. I compared you to bin Laden. If you find that disgusting, maybe you should revisit your idea rather than getting angry with the messenger.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2014 18:56     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the future - opposition to Israel around the globe and from people who won't change their negative view just because some Baby Boomer clicks her heels three times and says Hamas, Hamas, Hamas every time Israel's war crimes come up.

https://mobile.twitter.com/zrjaved/status/495629399451254784/photo/1


I'll stand up for gaza when Hamas disavows it's previous statements about the destruction of Israel. The desire for coexistence needs to be mutual.


Gaza and Hamas are two different things. That dead two day old baby didn't vote for Hamas.


By that logic Israel is different than its government. The fact is that Gaia voted for Hamas, period. So gazans must deal with the policies and actions of its government, just like the Israelis.


I assume you realize that this was exactly the justification used by Bin Laden. Average Americans such as those working in the World Trade Center voted for the American government. Therefore, they were guilty of that government's transgressions and were legitimate targets. When you find yourself on the same moral plane as Bin Laden, it may be time for a rethink.



That's a disgusting comparison and you know it. You are comparing Hamas to the us government. It's time for your idiotic academic exercise to end. You're clearly close-minded and refuse to respond to arguments that you can't win. You're not helping the dialogue. It's your type of opinion that only serves to make the issue worse. If you want to truly make a difference try climbing off your pedestal and gain some perspective. Otherwise you're just an angry voice in the crowd that will ultimately be ignored.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2014 18:49     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
Anonymous wrote:Israel will be here long after the morons posting here....


You can keep telling yourself that, but the evidence is squarely to the contrary. Israel is playing a losing hand, and very badly at that. It won't be around as an expansionist Jewish state much longer. The world will not tolerate it.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2014 18:32     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
Anonymous wrote:Israel will be here long after the morons posting here....


Well, then you can thank Israel for WWIIII.

But . . . you may not be around to thank them.
jsteele
Post 08/02/2014 18:28     Subject: Re:Israel disgusts me.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the future - opposition to Israel around the globe and from people who won't change their negative view just because some Baby Boomer clicks her heels three times and says Hamas, Hamas, Hamas every time Israel's war crimes come up.

https://mobile.twitter.com/zrjaved/status/495629399451254784/photo/1


I'll stand up for gaza when Hamas disavows it's previous statements about the destruction of Israel. The desire for coexistence needs to be mutual.


Gaza and Hamas are two different things. That dead two day old baby didn't vote for Hamas.


By that logic Israel is different than its government. The fact is that Gaia voted for Hamas, period. So gazans must deal with the policies and actions of its government, just like the Israelis.


I assume you realize that this was exactly the justification used by Bin Laden. Average Americans such as those working in the World Trade Center voted for the American government. Therefore, they were guilty of that government's transgressions and were legitimate targets. When you find yourself on the same moral plane as Bin Laden, it may be time for a rethink.