"She loved the sea..."

LMAO! That was a good episode too!

I don't understand the focus on Margaret, with less than one season remaining. Why do we care, unless it gets Roger & her mom back together . . . but still, not very exciting.

I think Betty is Borderline - everything is all about her and how she is perceived, she isn't able to have empathy for her kids, she can never be happy regardless of what she has.

I think Peggy is just pissed in general that she's back at her old firm & stuck working under another man (Lou) who won't give her the recognition she's earned. She doesn't want Don around because she doesn't want to be working with or under him either (burned bridges).

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Anonymous wrote:I found all the scenes with Margaret in "the monolith" (5/4's episode) to be disturbing. This will prob. get worse -- she will end up a drug addict, part of a cult (if her commune isn't already one), or pregnant with a drug affected child. The irony is that her dad got away with much of her behavior while still maintaining his mainstream life.

Roger IS getting away with it. He's sleeping with all sorts of people and is dropping acid. Not to mention his smoking and drinking.

He's allowed. He's single with a grown child.

NP here (finally watched it last night!) Sure, as a single, divorced man with a grown child, he can do it. No problem. But the point Margaret was making is that he abandoned her as a child, so she see no problem leaving her own child to find her happiness.

Sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Another person who doesn't understand calling Peggy a slut. Ted was in love with her and intended to leave his wife. Moreover, do I hear you calling Don, Pete, and the men sluts? Of course not!

Yeah, talk about sluts. Who's sluttier than Don and Pete?

Roger.

Calling Peggy a slut compared to these guys is ludicrous.

Anonymous wrote:Another person who doesn't understand calling Peggy a slut. Ted was in love with her and intended to leave his wife. Moreover, do I hear you calling Don, Pete, and the men sluts? Of course not!

Yeah, talk about sluts. Who's sluttier than Don and Pete?

Another person who doesn't understand calling Peggy a slut. Ted was in love with her and intended to leave his wife. Moreover, do I hear you calling Don, Pete, and the men sluts? Of course not!

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Anonymous wrote:Joan is worried that her rising status as an "account man" and the firm's overall viability are going to be majorly threatened by Don. She is leery of how Don's typical power plays will negatively affect her budding career.

Peggy is such a sad douche this season. Is she mad at Don for disappearing and leaving her in the clutches of Lou? Is she mad because if Don comes back there is no chance she can try to take over his/Lou's position (remember the shot of her sitting in Don's chair)?

She's angry that Ted dumped her and kept his wife.

She's a slut. Why does she have to always go after the married men (Don, Pete, Ted).

She is not a "slut." She made a play for Don once because she thought that's what she thought Joan told her secretaries do. Pete came on strongly to her. And Ted came on to her just as strongly as she came on to him. Pete and Don are sluts. Ted's having a mid-life crisis.

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Anonymous wrote:I found all the scenes with Margaret in "the monolith" (5/4's episode) to be disturbing. This will prob. get worse -- she will end up a drug addict, part of a cult (if her commune isn't already one), or pregnant with a drug affected child. The irony is that her dad got away with much of her behavior while still maintaining his mainstream life.

Roger IS getting away with it. He's sleeping with all sorts of people and is dropping acid. Not to mention his smoking and drinking.

He's allowed. He's single with a grown child.

As an obsessive watcher, let me clear everything up:

Joan made a huge sacrifice to land Jaguar. She was willing to prostitute herself because it made her a partner at the firm and would finally enable her to provide a secure life for her son. When they were in talks to go public, she was looking at becoming a millionaire (IIRC) overnight. Her personal humiliation would finally be worth it because her son would be set for life. Then Don fired Jaguar out of some mistaken attempt at chivalry. He made her feel like a whore. The move said that he was too good and pure to put up with this man professionally where Joan had already submitted to him sexually and at the same time it destroyed any hope of her being able to give her son the life she wants to.

You know what? ALL of the partners should have been in on the plan to get the firm ready to IPO, not just Bert, Joan & Pete. If Don had known he would have put up with Peaches and Herb for a few more days at least. Once public, they could have gotten a better car. And Joan did whore herself. She should just own it instead of punishing Don for trying to save her.

Peggy is mad at Don because he and Ted spent the entire time they worked together playing mind games with her and fighting over her like a toy. She was happy in the old firm. She was doing brilliant creative work with a mentor who challenged and encouraged her and who was also in love with her. It was Don's decision to bring the firms together (and everyone else might have bought that it was mutual, but Peggy knows Don and Ted well enough to know that Ted was played) that destroyed her idyllic relationship with Ted. And finally, it was don who allowed Ted to run away to California after sleeping with Peggy. In her mind, Don destroyed her personally and professionally and he "broke" Ted.

No, Peggy left SCDP because Don stopped being a mentor and became a bully. Making her miss her birthday party? Throwing money in her face? She was pissed because he managed to pull her back in. Then she was livid because Don pointed out to Ted that everyone noticed that he was shamelessly flirting with Peggy. She's also got some displaced anger going regarding Ted towards Don.

Trudy had every reason to think Pete had plenty of money, but since she personally has plenty of money, it wasn't his money that mattered to her. She is new money and saw his blue blood background as very desirable and in her mind his WASP connections and budding career would give her a high class, glamorous life. While later Pete found he would never have family money, Trudy doesn't even bat an eyelash because she is the only child of her very wealthy parents. She is set.

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Anonymous wrote:What DID happen to Peggy's baby? Does her sister have him/her?

How does Pete Campbell land such pretty women?

Money is why Trudy was attracted to him.

It was never made clear why Peggy was attracted to him.

Pete never had money and Trudy knew this. Her dad is "new money", and he always had money to throw around for condos, etc.

Trudy was attracted to Pete being an American-style "blue blood". He's a New York Dyckman. You can't buy that.

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Anonymous wrote:Joan is worried that her rising status as an "account man" and the firm's overall viability are going to be majorly threatened by Don. She is leery of how Don's typical power plays will negatively affect her budding career.

Peggy is such a sad douche this season. Is she mad at Don for disappearing and leaving her in the clutches of Lou? Is she mad because if Don comes back there is no chance she can try to take over his/Lou's position (remember the shot of her sitting in Don's chair)?

She's angry that Ted dumped her and kept his wife.

She's a slut. Why does she have to always go after the married men (Don, Pete, Ted).

Anonymous wrote:I found all the scenes with Margaret in "the monolith" (5/4's episode) to be disturbing. This will prob. get worse -- she will end up a drug addict, part of a cult (if her commune isn't already one), or pregnant with a drug affected child. The irony is that her dad got away with much of her behavior while still maintaining his mainstream life.

Am I the only one who thinks the actress who plays Margaret/Marigold looks a lot like Lindsay Lohan?

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Anonymous wrote:But even though Don fired Jaguar, Joan was already made partner for scoring that deal, right? So isn't she already set financially for life since she's partner? What am missing pp?

But she only makes money if she is a partner of a successful firm.

This. Joan has a title and some shares of the company. If the company folds she has nothing. If the company does well enough to go public, she can sell her shares and make bank. They were almost ready for the latter, but Don's recklessness nearly pushed them to the former. She doesn't trust him not to blow it all up.

And Anna went looking for "Don Draper" thinking that her husband had come back from the war and just left her. In a way, his death is a relief. And Dick Whitman wasn't responsible for (actual) Don's death, he was just an opportunist. Anna is unconventional enough to be glad that her husband's death was able to benefit someone--she left her body to science, for pete's sake! I think she just agreed to ignore the whole thing and Dick/Don was so grateful both for not being busted and to have someone who actually knows who he is that he loved her and took care of her. Of course she loved him back after that.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone doing the Mad Men on Facebook recaps this season?

link please

Like these

http://happyplace.someecards.com/topic/mad-men-facebook-recaps

Anonymous wrote:I found all the scenes with Margaret in "the monolith" (5/4's episode) to be disturbing. This will prob. get worse -- she will end up a drug addict, part of a cult (if her commune isn't already one), or pregnant with a drug affected child. The irony is that her dad got away with much of her behavior while still maintaining his mainstream life.

Many women lived in communes or in such situations at that time. Very few ended up in "cults" and there were very few drug addicted children born out of such arrangements. You really are talking out of your ass. She's not smoking crack, doing heroin, or following Charles Manson. She's living on a farm and eating vegetarian and probably reading Karl Marx. Wow, how dangerous!

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone doing the Mad Men on Facebook recaps this season?

link please