Anonymous
03/25/2014 21:41
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because there is no difference between a LLIV AAP class and a center AAP class. None.
Others disagree with you.
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/240933.page#2505343
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/270209.page#2921709
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/78970.page#601545
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/305547.page#3549783
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/305547.page#3557355
I am so sorry you've had to spend your evening digging up these links. You might have a bit too much time on your hands...
Anonymous
03/25/2014 21:38
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:Because there is no difference between a LLIV AAP class and a center AAP class. None.
Others disagree with you.
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/240933.page#2505343
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/270209.page#2921709
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/78970.page#601545
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/305547.page#3549783
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/305547.page#3557355
Anonymous
03/25/2014 21:32
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I see. But you see no problem in offering AAP kids two choices - to either stay at their base school in LLIV or be bused, at taxpayers' expense, to the center. Where they are getting the exact same education.
But thy are not "getting the exact same education." The peer groups are different.
And, like clockwork, there it is. Thank you for illustrating my point so beautifully.
Uh, you don't really see the difference between
1) being in an academic program with kids who are learning at a similar pace, and
2) insisting on not being IN THE SAME BUILDING with a certain kind of kid?
Do these two things really seem equivalent to you? Because, wow. One of these is a bona fide educational aim. The other one is inexplicable hate from a parent with an inferiority complex.
Look, AAP is not an insult to your kid. Quit treating it as one, and the kids as if they're infective.
So are you saying that a LLIV class is not an adequate learning environment for your child? Because there is no difference between a LLIV AAP class and a center AAP class. None. And since there is no difference, what is the rationale for busing your kid to a center? You can dance around this issue all you like, but you haven't been able to come up with one direct answer, other than "my kid needs to go to a center because he does," which frankly sounds like the answer a kindergartner would give.
As for hate? I don't hate anyone; but if I see clear inequity, I'm going to speak up.
It really depends on the LLIV. In some schools there are not enough AAP IV or III students to constitute a class, so there is not a separate class for the core subjects- just occasional pullouts. It is in those types of schools that a Cewnter based Model works. However, there are schools, like Spring Hill or Chesterbrook (or even Haycock and CHurchhill Road if they became LLIV instead of a Center school) that can support 2 classes of AAP core classes with their own students. I don't think the Center model argument is strong for those types of schools.
Anonymous
03/25/2014 21:08
Subject: Re:Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
The rest of my thought...
Some kids feel "less than" the AAP kids, some kids don't care. Sometimes it is not about the parents attitude but the students and the atmosphere of the school. So, you need to stop taking this waaaaaaayyyyyy to personally and accept that for some children being in a center school as a GE student is difficult. I do not get the attitude that the AAP center is the biggest and the best, perfect place to be and that somehow anyone who does not share this opinion is wrong. I do not share your opinion that a "mixed GE/ AAP center could not be a problem emotionally for certain children. I have heard and seen children belittle other children because they were going to the AAP center or are in the AAP center - and we ALL know where that comes from!
Some kids feel "less than" the AAP kids, some kids don't care. Sometimes it is not about the parents attitude but the students and the atmosphere of the school. So, you need to stop taking this waaaaaaayyyyyy to personally and accept that for some children being in a center school as a GE student is difficult. I do not get the attitude that the AAP center is the biggest and the best, perfect place to be and that somehow anyone who does not share this opinion is wrong. I do not share your opinion that a "mixed GE/ AAP center could not be a problem emotionally for certain children. I have heard and seen children belittle other children because they were going to the AAP center or are in the AAP center - and we ALL know where that comes from!
Anonymous
03/25/2014 20:56
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My theory is that that this poster hates saying that her kid goes to school X and, no, isn't in AAP.
Not a kid problem. A parent problem. And I guarantee that keeping AAP and GE kids apart will not prevent mean things from being said at recess.
And I don't know what is going on with the random 2E comments... I'm tempted to attribute it to sour grapes, but I'll charitably assume that it was misunderstood statistics instead.
No, not in AAP and don't want AAP and do not want the 2E AAP kids in my GE school. They belong together in their own center. OP wants to transfer a GE child out of a center school environment. I think she/he should be able to. Just as 2E parents lobby for their child to be in AAP, non-aap parents should be able to lobby for their child to be removed from an AAP center school.
OP here; thank you for summing up the issue, PP. It's really as simple as that.
Seriously? Not for any positive reason, but because they don't want their kids near the corrosive influence of the AAP kids? That is beyond weird.
Tell me that your kid needs something to learn, then okay. But if you tell me your kids need not be around a certain type of person… That's sketchy.
There is nothing sketchy unless you agree the AAP parents who do not want their kids in a GE school are sketchy. Then all are sketchy. Not all, in fact a large percentage, of students in AAP are in on referral many because the parents feel their child was not successful socially in their GE school.
Citation needed. I think you just made that up.
I'd hazard that most of the AAP parents want their kid in appropriately paced classes. How does that translate to not being around GE kids? You are taking this wayyyyyyy too personally.
No. Not at all. You are talking to a lot of different people here. I am good with the separation from the AAP program. My child is not in a center school though and am not so sure I would want them to be. (I will refer to OP as her/she) The OP wants her kid out of the AAP center school as a GE student . I think she has every right to get this if it is causing distress for her child socially. Look, I do know several parents who pushed to get their child in the AAP center in order to get them away from some children in their base schools because their child did not fit in and was not socially thriving. At least that is what they claimed.
Many people post on this forum how happy they are that they moved their misfit child to AAP because now their child is thriving at center with "like" peers. So, IMO, I see no reason why a GE child in a center school who is not thriving socially (and most likely academically) should not be allowed to move from a center school to a non-center school. As many AAP parents say, why do you care what decisions she makes for her child's education? I think the OP is upset because of the double standard here that it is ok to move a child from base to center but center to a different base is not! If it is in the best interest of the child FCPS should respect this and honor a pupil placement at another school in her pyramid.
Anonymous
03/25/2014 20:28
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I see. But you see no problem in offering AAP kids two choices - to either stay at their base school in LLIV or be bused, at taxpayers' expense, to the center. Where they are getting the exact same education.
But thy are not "getting the exact same education." The peer groups are different.
And, like clockwork, there it is. Thank you for illustrating my point so beautifully.
Uh, you don't really see the difference between
1) being in an academic program with kids who are learning at a similar pace, and
2) insisting on not being IN THE SAME BUILDING with a certain kind of kid?
Do these two things really seem equivalent to you? Because, wow. One of these is a bona fide educational aim. The other one is inexplicable hate from a parent with an inferiority complex.
Look, AAP is not an insult to your kid. Quit treating it as one, and the kids as if they're infective.
So are you saying that a LLIV class is not an adequate learning environment for your child? Because there is no difference between a LLIV AAP class and a center AAP class. None. And since there is no difference, what is the rationale for busing your kid to a center? You can dance around this issue all you like, but you haven't been able to come up with one direct answer, other than "my kid needs to go to a center because he does," which frankly sounds like the answer a kindergartner would give.
As for hate? I don't hate anyone; but if I see clear inequity, I'm going to speak up.
+1
Anonymous
03/25/2014 20:17
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I see. But you see no problem in offering AAP kids two choices - to either stay at their base school in LLIV or be bused, at taxpayers' expense, to the center. Where they are getting the exact same education.
But thy are not "getting the exact same education." The peer groups are different.
And, like clockwork, there it is. Thank you for illustrating my point so beautifully.
Uh, you don't really see the difference between
1) being in an academic program with kids who are learning at a similar pace, and
2) insisting on not being IN THE SAME BUILDING with a certain kind of kid?
Do these two things really seem equivalent to you? Because, wow. One of these is a bona fide educational aim. The other one is inexplicable hate from a parent with an inferiority complex.
Look, AAP is not an insult to your kid. Quit treating it as one, and the kids as if they're infective.
So are you saying that a LLIV class is not an adequate learning environment for your child? Because there is no difference between a LLIV AAP class and a center AAP class. None. And since there is no difference, what is the rationale for busing your kid to a center? You can dance around this issue all you like, but you haven't been able to come up with one direct answer, other than "my kid needs to go to a center because he does," which frankly sounds like the answer a kindergartner would give.
As for hate? I don't hate anyone; but if I see clear inequity, I'm going to speak up.
Anonymous
03/25/2014 20:06
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I see. But you see no problem in offering AAP kids two choices - to either stay at their base school in LLIV or be bused, at taxpayers' expense, to the center. Where they are getting the exact same education.
But thy are not "getting the exact same education." The peer groups are different.
And, like clockwork, there it is. Thank you for illustrating my point so beautifully.
Uh, you don't really see the difference between
1) being in an academic program with kids who are learning at a similar pace, and
2) insisting on not being IN THE SAME BUILDING with a certain kind of kid?
Do these two things really seem equivalent to you? Because, wow. One of these is a bona fide educational aim. The other one is inexplicable hate from a parent with an inferiority complex.
Look, AAP is not an insult to your kid. Quit treating it as one, and the kids as if they're infective.
Anonymous
03/25/2014 19:41
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I see. But you see no problem in offering AAP kids two choices - to either stay at their base school in LLIV or be bused, at taxpayers' expense, to the center. Where they are getting the exact same education.
But thy are not "getting the exact same education." The peer groups are different.
This is absolute BS.
As are many of the posts on the AAP forum. It's a pity that the signal to noise ratio is so low.
Anonymous
03/25/2014 19:37
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I see. But you see no problem in offering AAP kids two choices - to either stay at their base school in LLIV or be bused, at taxpayers' expense, to the center. Where they are getting the exact same education.
But thy are not "getting the exact same education." The peer groups are different.
This is absolute BS.
Anonymous
03/25/2014 19:34
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I see. But you see no problem in offering AAP kids two choices - to either stay at their base school in LLIV or be bused, at taxpayers' expense, to the center. Where they are getting the exact same education.
But thy are not "getting the exact same education." The peer groups are different.
And, like clockwork, there it is. Thank you for illustrating my point so beautifully.
Anonymous
03/25/2014 19:34
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:How often have we heard from AAP parents who are disgusted at the idea of GE kids being in class with their AAP kid?
My daughter's best friend is in her music class and her PE class at the AAP Center school. My daughter is in Mr. R's class and her best friend is in Ms. L's class. Yet they see each other all the time in classes and at recess.
Mr. R happens to teach an AAP class while Ms. L does not.
It's a nice combination -- my daughter is with her academic peers in her classroom and with her friends at other times during the day and week.
And for the record I am not "disgusted" with anything going on at my daughter's school.
Anonymous
03/25/2014 19:30
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:
I see. But you see no problem in offering AAP kids two choices - to either stay at their base school in LLIV or be bused, at taxpayers' expense, to the center. Where they are getting the exact same education.
But thy are not "getting the exact same education." The peer groups are different.
Anonymous
03/25/2014 19:29
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My theory is that that this poster hates saying that her kid goes to school X and, no, isn't in AAP.
Not a kid problem. A parent problem. And I guarantee that keeping AAP and GE kids apart will not prevent mean things from being said at recess.
And I don't know what is going on with the random 2E comments... I'm tempted to attribute it to sour grapes, but I'll charitably assume that it was misunderstood statistics instead.
No, not in AAP and don't want AAP and do not want the 2E AAP kids in my GE school. They belong together in their own center. OP wants to transfer a GE child out of a center school environment. I think she/he should be able to. Just as 2E parents lobby for their child to be in AAP, non-aap parents should be able to lobby for their child to be removed from an AAP center school.
OP here; thank you for summing up the issue, PP. It's really as simple as that.
Seriously? Not for any positive reason, but because they don't want their kids near the corrosive influence of the AAP kids? That is beyond weird.
Tell me that your kid needs something to learn, then okay. But if you tell me your kids need not be around a certain type of person… That's sketchy.
There is nothing sketchy unless you agree the AAP parents who do not want their kids in a GE school are sketchy. Then all are sketchy. Not all, in fact a large percentage, of students in AAP are in on referral many because the parents feel their child was not successful socially in their GE school.
Citation needed. I think you just made that up.
I'd hazard that most of the AAP parents want their kid in appropriately paced classes. How does that translate to not being around GE kids? You are taking this wayyyyyyy too personally.
Well, let's see. How many times have we heard, ad nauseum, from AAP parents who want their kid to attend a center so as to be with "their peer group" - i.e. in AAP-only classes? How often have we heard from AAP parents who are disgusted at the idea of GE kids being in class with their AAP kid? So many times it makes me want to vomit. So maybe you can, just for a moment, see how GE parents might now feel about the AAP crowd? This situation didn't happen in a vacuum.
Anonymous
03/25/2014 19:21
Subject: Why can't I transfer my Gen Ed child out of the center?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My theory is that that this poster hates saying that her kid goes to school X and, no, isn't in AAP.
Not a kid problem. A parent problem. And I guarantee that keeping AAP and GE kids apart will not prevent mean things from being said at recess.
And I don't know what is going on with the random 2E comments... I'm tempted to attribute it to sour grapes, but I'll charitably assume that it was misunderstood statistics instead.
No, not in AAP and don't want AAP and do not want the 2E AAP kids in my GE school. They belong together in their own center. OP wants to transfer a GE child out of a center school environment. I think she/he should be able to. Just as 2E parents lobby for their child to be in AAP, non-aap parents should be able to lobby for their child to be removed from an AAP center school.
OP here; thank you for summing up the issue, PP. It's really as simple as that.
Seriously? Not for any positive reason, but because they don't want their kids near the corrosive influence of the AAP kids? That is beyond weird.
Tell me that your kid needs something to learn, then okay. But if you tell me your kids need not be around a certain type of person… That's sketchy.
I see. But you see no problem in offering AAP kids two choices - to either stay at their base school in LLIV or be bused, at taxpayers' expense, to the center. Where they are getting the exact same education. That you see nothing wrong, or inequitable, in that situation is beyond sketchy.