Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting this link. It confirms everything I believe about the ADHD "epidemic." On an overnight school trip recently, I was appalled by the enormous bag of drugs the supervising teacher carried to hand out to half of the kids on the trip each day! How on earth can all these kids need medication to help them get through school?? Something is definitely wrong with this picture.
I believe our diets and the toxic chemicals in our homes, automobiles, schools and in the air we breathe and water we drink are part of the reason so many children have trouble concentrating. Our crazy way of life -- too much time spent indoors and far too much focus far too early on academic progress -- also fuels this epidemic of ADHD diagnoses and overmedication.
Of course there are a few children who need these drugs, whose brain chemistry is so out of whack that medication is the only thing that can help them. But not half or even a quarter of our children ought to be on drugs to help them concentrate on school. If drugs are needed so frequently, perhaps there's something wrong with the schools, not the kids.
It saddens me to read how many parents on this board are medicating their children. Changing diets, giving supplements, dealing with allergies and food intolerances, getting rid of toxic chemicals in a child's environment are all very time consuming and difficult, but they work in the long run.
I do believe you that this worked for your child, and might also work for many other children. And I'm glad that it's working for your kid, and I believe that everyone should try these options. But you should know that this is not universal. It doesn't always work. For some kids, you can do each and every one of these things, forever, and the kid will still have ADHD.
Giving pills to children is easier and faster, but the long-term effects of giving these powerful drugs to children cannot be healthy, despite what the pharmaceutical companies claim.
Most people who become doctors in the US do it for the money. Few of them come from families with a lot of money, so many see medicine as a path to riches. Not all of course, but many. ADHD is just another way for doctors and the pharmaceutical industry to work together to make each other wealthy at the expense of innocent, naive and vulnerable people who need help and trust doctors to provide simple answers to complex problems.
I'm sorry if this is offensive to those of you who have found help through medicating your children. Teachers and doctors have suggested to me that I medicate my children, but I have chosen the slow, difficult approach I described above, and have been very successful using it instead of drugs. Not everyone has the luxury of time or the energy to do this, but the medical profession and pharmaceutical industry are not giving parents any encouragement (in fact they are disparaging any approach besides giving drugs to children) to take chemicals out their children's food, and environment, look into allergies, food intolerances and other environmental factors contributing to ADHD-like symptoms.
Go ahead, flame and rage away, all you DCUMers! I know you have seen positive changes in your children after giving them drugs, but have you tried anything else?
YES, tried EVERYTHING else first
Have you taken your child to an allergist, for example, had a screening for food intolerances, removed carpeting from your house and gluten from your child's diet?
Yes, tried all of those. Some improvement, but minor.
Have you limited screen time, made sure your children get enough sleep and enough exercise?
Yes, we do this each and every day. Definitely makes a noticeable impact, but we are STILL left with very significant ADHD.
How old is your child? What does his/her daily routine look like? What sort of diet do you do? How many hours of sleep every night?
Anonymous wrote:
You sound like a very diligent parent. If you have tried all of these things, and have kept at them for at last six months, to no avail, then probably your child is a candidate for medication and behavioral therapy combined. There is no magic bullet, PP, for a complicated condition, but a combination of therapies may help. But do give the alternatives lots of time. Drugs act quickly, which is why we love them, but there's a price to be paid for that rapid progress, which is why we should use them sparingly and in combination with other, safer therapies.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting this link. It confirms everything I believe about the ADHD "epidemic." On an overnight school trip recently, I was appalled by the enormous bag of drugs the supervising teacher carried to hand out to half of the kids on the trip each day! How on earth can all these kids need medication to help them get through school?? Something is definitely wrong with this picture.
I believe our diets and the toxic chemicals in our homes, automobiles, schools and in the air we breathe and water we drink are part of the reason so many children have trouble concentrating. Our crazy way of life -- too much time spent indoors and far too much focus far too early on academic progress -- also fuels this epidemic of ADHD diagnoses and overmedication.
Of course there are a few children who need these drugs, whose brain chemistry is so out of whack that medication is the only thing that can help them. But not half or even a quarter of our children ought to be on drugs to help them concentrate on school. If drugs are needed so frequently, perhaps there's something wrong with the schools, not the kids.
It saddens me to read how many parents on this board are medicating their children. Changing diets, giving supplements, dealing with allergies and food intolerances, getting rid of toxic chemicals in a child's environment are all very time consuming and difficult, but they work in the long run.
I do believe you that this worked for your child, and might also work for many other children. And I'm glad that it's working for your kid, and I believe that everyone should try these options. But you should know that this is not universal. It doesn't always work. For some kids, you can do each and every one of these things, forever, and the kid will still have ADHD.
Giving pills to children is easier and faster, but the long-term effects of giving these powerful drugs to children cannot be healthy, despite what the pharmaceutical companies claim.
Most people who become doctors in the US do it for the money. Few of them come from families with a lot of money, so many see medicine as a path to riches. Not all of course, but many. ADHD is just another way for doctors and the pharmaceutical industry to work together to make each other wealthy at the expense of innocent, naive and vulnerable people who need help and trust doctors to provide simple answers to complex problems.
I'm sorry if this is offensive to those of you who have found help through medicating your children. Teachers and doctors have suggested to me that I medicate my children, but I have chosen the slow, difficult approach I described above, and have been very successful using it instead of drugs. Not everyone has the luxury of time or the energy to do this, but the medical profession and pharmaceutical industry are not giving parents any encouragement (in fact they are disparaging any approach besides giving drugs to children) to take chemicals out their children's food, and environment, look into allergies, food intolerances and other environmental factors contributing to ADHD-like symptoms.
Go ahead, flame and rage away, all you DCUMers! I know you have seen positive changes in your children after giving them drugs, but have you tried anything else?
YES, tried EVERYTHING else first
Have you taken your child to an allergist, for example, had a screening for food intolerances, removed carpeting from your house and gluten from your child's diet?
Yes, tried all of those. Some improvement, but minor.
Have you limited screen time, made sure your children get enough sleep and enough exercise?
Yes, we do this each and every day. Definitely makes a noticeable impact, but we are STILL left with very significant ADHD.
Anonymous wrote:<<Most people who become doctors in the US do it for the money. Few of them come from families with a lot of money, so many see medicine as a path to riches. Not all of course, but many. >>
Now this thread has really jumped the shark, where people are just saying things with no factual basis behind it -- its like we've become a radio call in show where people just want to spout out there uninformed theories.
By God,PP, how in the world do you know that ''most people become doctors in the US for the money''' and that most come from familiies with little money. I truly think this is one of the most uninformed things i've read in all my time reading dcum...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting this link. It confirms everything I believe about the ADHD "epidemic." On an overnight school trip recently, I was appalled by the enormous bag of drugs the supervising teacher carried to hand out to half of the kids on the trip each day! How on earth can all these kids need medication to help them get through school?? Something is definitely wrong with this picture.
I believe our diets and the toxic chemicals in our homes, automobiles, schools and in the air we breathe and water we drink are part of the reason so many children have trouble concentrating. Our crazy way of life -- too much time spent indoors and far too much focus far too early on academic progress -- also fuels this epidemic of ADHD diagnoses and overmedication.
Of course there are a few children who need these drugs, whose brain chemistry is so out of whack that medication is the only thing that can help them. But not half or even a quarter of our children ought to be on drugs to help them concentrate on school. If drugs are needed so frequently, perhaps there's something wrong with the schools, not the kids.
It saddens me to read how many parents on this board are medicating their children. Changing diets, giving supplements, dealing with allergies and food intolerances, getting rid of toxic chemicals in a child's environment are all very time consuming and difficult, but they work in the long run.
I do believe you that this worked for your child, and might also work for many other children. And I'm glad that it's working for your kid, and I believe that everyone should try these options. But you should know that this is not universal. It doesn't always work. For some kids, you can do each and every one of these things, forever, and the kid will still have ADHD.
Giving pills to children is easier and faster, but the long-term effects of giving these powerful drugs to children cannot be healthy, despite what the pharmaceutical companies claim.
Most people who become doctors in the US do it for the money. Few of them come from families with a lot of money, so many see medicine as a path to riches. Not all of course, but many. ADHD is just another way for doctors and the pharmaceutical industry to work together to make each other wealthy at the expense of innocent, naive and vulnerable people who need help and trust doctors to provide simple answers to complex problems.
I'm sorry if this is offensive to those of you who have found help through medicating your children. Teachers and doctors have suggested to me that I medicate my children, but I have chosen the slow, difficult approach I described above, and have been very successful using it instead of drugs. Not everyone has the luxury of time or the energy to do this, but the medical profession and pharmaceutical industry are not giving parents any encouragement (in fact they are disparaging any approach besides giving drugs to children) to take chemicals out their children's food, and environment, look into allergies, food intolerances and other environmental factors contributing to ADHD-like symptoms.
Go ahead, flame and rage away, all you DCUMers! I know you have seen positive changes in your children after giving them drugs, but have you tried anything else?
YES, tried EVERYTHING else first
Have you taken your child to an allergist, for example, had a screening for food intolerances, removed carpeting from your house and gluten from your child's diet?
Yes, tried all of those. Some improvement, but minor.
Have you limited screen time, made sure your children get enough sleep and enough exercise?
Yes, we do this each and every day. Definitely makes a noticeable impact, but we are STILL left with very significant ADHD.
How old is your child? What does his/her daily routine look like? What sort of diet do you do? How many hours of sleep every night?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting this link. It confirms everything I believe about the ADHD "epidemic." On an overnight school trip recently, I was appalled by the enormous bag of drugs the supervising teacher carried to hand out to half of the kids on the trip each day! How on earth can all these kids need medication to help them get through school?? Something is definitely wrong with this picture.
I believe our diets and the toxic chemicals in our homes, automobiles, schools and in the air we breathe and water we drink are part of the reason so many children have trouble concentrating. Our crazy way of life -- too much time spent indoors and far too much focus far too early on academic progress -- also fuels this epidemic of ADHD diagnoses and overmedication.
Of course there are a few children who need these drugs, whose brain chemistry is so out of whack that medication is the only thing that can help them. But not half or even a quarter of our children ought to be on drugs to help them concentrate on school. If drugs are needed so frequently, perhaps there's something wrong with the schools, not the kids.
It saddens me to read how many parents on this board are medicating their children. Changing diets, giving supplements, dealing with allergies and food intolerances, getting rid of toxic chemicals in a child's environment are all very time consuming and difficult, but they work in the long run.
I do believe you that this worked for your child, and might also work for many other children. And I'm glad that it's working for your kid, and I believe that everyone should try these options. But you should know that this is not universal. It doesn't always work. For some kids, you can do each and every one of these things, forever, and the kid will still have ADHD.
Giving pills to children is easier and faster, but the long-term effects of giving these powerful drugs to children cannot be healthy, despite what the pharmaceutical companies claim.
Most people who become doctors in the US do it for the money. Few of them come from families with a lot of money, so many see medicine as a path to riches. Not all of course, but many. ADHD is just another way for doctors and the pharmaceutical industry to work together to make each other wealthy at the expense of innocent, naive and vulnerable people who need help and trust doctors to provide simple answers to complex problems.
I'm sorry if this is offensive to those of you who have found help through medicating your children. Teachers and doctors have suggested to me that I medicate my children, but I have chosen the slow, difficult approach I described above, and have been very successful using it instead of drugs. Not everyone has the luxury of time or the energy to do this, but the medical profession and pharmaceutical industry are not giving parents any encouragement (in fact they are disparaging any approach besides giving drugs to children) to take chemicals out their children's food, and environment, look into allergies, food intolerances and other environmental factors contributing to ADHD-like symptoms.
Go ahead, flame and rage away, all you DCUMers! I know you have seen positive changes in your children after giving them drugs, but have you tried anything else?
YES, tried EVERYTHING else first
Have you taken your child to an allergist, for example, had a screening for food intolerances, removed carpeting from your house and gluten from your child's diet?
Yes, tried all of those. Some improvement, but minor.
Have you limited screen time, made sure your children get enough sleep and enough exercise?
Yes, we do this each and every day. Definitely makes a noticeable impact, but we are STILL left with very significant ADHD.
Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for posting this link. It confirms everything I believe about the ADHD "epidemic." On an overnight school trip recently, I was appalled by the enormous bag of drugs the supervising teacher carried to hand out to half of the kids on the trip each day! How on earth can all these kids need medication to help them get through school?? Something is definitely wrong with this picture.
I believe our diets and the toxic chemicals in our homes, automobiles, schools and in the air we breathe and water we drink are part of the reason so many children have trouble concentrating. Our crazy way of life -- too much time spent indoors and far too much focus far too early on academic progress -- also fuels this epidemic of ADHD diagnoses and overmedication.
Of course there are a few children who need these drugs, whose brain chemistry is so out of whack that medication is the only thing that can help them. But not half or even a quarter of our children ought to be on drugs to help them concentrate on school. If drugs are needed so frequently, perhaps there's something wrong with the schools, not the kids.
It saddens me to read how many parents on this board are medicating their children. Changing diets, giving supplements, dealing with allergies and food intolerances, getting rid of toxic chemicals in a child's environment are all very time consuming and difficult, but they work in the long run.
Giving pills to children is easier and faster, but the long-term effects of giving these powerful drugs to children cannot be healthy, despite what the pharmaceutical companies claim.
Most people who become doctors in the US do it for the money. Few of them come from families with a lot of money, so many see medicine as a path to riches. Not all of course, but many. ADHD is just another way for doctors and the pharmaceutical industry to work together to make each other wealthy at the expense of innocent, naive and vulnerable people who need help and trust doctors to provide simple answers to complex problems.
I'm sorry if this is offensive to those of you who have found help through medicating your children. Teachers and doctors have suggested to me that I medicate my children, but I have chosen the slow, difficult approach I described above, and have been very successful using it instead of drugs. Not everyone has the luxury of time or the energy to do this, but the medical profession and pharmaceutical industry are not giving parents any encouragement (in fact they are disparaging any approach besides giving drugs to children) to take chemicals out their children's food, and environment, look into allergies, food intolerances and other environmental factors contributing to ADHD-like symptoms.
Go ahead, flame and rage away, all you DCUMers! I know you have seen positive changes in your children after giving them drugs, but have you tried anything else?
Have you taken your child to an allergist, for example, had a screening for food intolerances, removed carpeting from your house and gluten from your child's diet?
Have you limited screen time, made sure your children get enough sleep and enough exercise?
Anonymous wrote:I think it is BOTH real and over medicated. Bear with me for a minute. It is like depression - some people can handle it with cognitive therapy and behavioral changes while some people require hospitalization and medication. I so not want to belittle people who are really suffering and need medication, but that is not my story.
I wasn't diagnosed with ADD until I was 27 - but all the flags were there my whole life. I was always talking in class, acting up in the library, I didn't get a single good behavior star for all of 1st-3rd grade. I was always told I was gifted and just bored. I behaved better as I got older. I also did more and more sports and I got older until I had 3 varsity teams and summer swim team in HS. I grew up with "hippie" parents we would now call crunchy in a liberal college town. I ate locally farmed hormone-free meat, eggs, and dairy. Local organic produce and a lot of spelt, barley, etc. I rarely had refined sugar before school age and was not allowed caffiene. I also went to bed early because of before school sports practice and had a very full, structured schedule. My mom taught me how to make lists and prioritize my tasks. Basically without knowing it, my parents did all of the behavioral modifications you should make for a kid with ADD and I graduated in the top 10 of my class, went to a great school, and have succeeded in life.
My ADD flared up combined with depression my sophomore year in college. My grades slipped to a 2.3 and I almost quit engineering. I lost my merit scholarship and started drinking irresponsibly and smoking. Besides poor eating choices in college, I also injured my knee and had to stop running daily. I was also staying up late and not keeping a regular schedule. I muddled through until my late 20s when I saw a TV commercial for ADD meds and realized what was wrong.
I took Adderal for 4 years, but probably only needed it for 18-24 mo. After that it was addiction and laziness. Now I follow the behaviors I grew up with and am feeling much better - no caffiene, balanced diet of whole foods, daily exercise, regular exercise, and meditation to calm my mind.
Anonymous wrote:<<Most people who become doctors in the US do it for the money. Few of them come from families with a lot of money, so many see medicine as a path to riches. Not all of course, but many. >>
Now this thread has really jumped the shark, where people are just saying things with no factual basis behind it -- its like we've become a radio call in show where people just want to spout out there uninformed theories.
By God,PP, how in the world do you know that ''most people become doctors in the US for the money''' and that most come from familiies with little money. I truly think this is one of the most uninformed things i've read in all my time reading dcum...
Anonymous wrote:I think it is pretty obvious that it is both overdiagnosed and overmedicated in this country. I am not saying it is a made up condition, there are certainly kids who have it and some may benefit from medication, but not at the rate that we see here. The fact is, Americans like medications - you see that with anti-depressants as well. Europeans have a much more cautious approach to this.
This recent article in the New York Times on the topic was pretty disturbing:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/health/the-selling-of-attention-deficit-disorder.html?ref=health&_r=0
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Weve-Got-Issues-Children-Medication/dp/B005DI8BKU
Surprised no one has yet mentioned this book. She goes into it with the premise that we're overprescribing everything. Does a 180 and comes out convinced it's all very real.
I am not sure this kind of anecdotes based books mean much. No one, well I guess no one who is serious will deny there are true benefits of medication for some children. But when prevalence jumped 200 percent in a decade, it is something to think about.
See, these are the things I think about long before I conclude "it's all made up," which is what you seem to be inferring.
1) The condition has always been there, largely untreated and undiagnosed. So it's not really an increase in prevalence. The increase in Rx may be related more to the fact that effective, FDA-approved and peer-reviewed medications tested in double-blind laboratory tests came onto the market, rather than the cynical meme of drug pushing. Or:
2) You're right, there IS an increased prevalence. But that's due to environmental factors, most likely the introduction of widespread use of genetic modifications to our crops and other toxins.
Toxins are indeed a major problem, as is absentee parenting.
Straw man. Every child I know who has ADHD is intensely supervised. Usually there is a parent at home. They are extremely involved in trying to manage the condition. There's no absenteeism.
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