Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:36
Subject: Re:Jews and Germans
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
And so did the jews when they were displaced from Israel 2000 years ago. I don't ever hear anyone bemoaning their fate though.
At some point there has to be a statute of limitations.
Why? There isn't for murder.
Should it be 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? 500 years? 5000 years?
The point is that life is not black and white, but people sure love to act like it is. The truth is always, always, in the middle.
The truth is not always in the middle. For example, the Holocaust happened. If you get one person saying that the Holocaust happened, and another person saying that the Holocaust didn't happen, is the truth that the Holocaust kinda sorta happened?
I don't know what the statute of limitations should be, but it should be shorter than what the Romans (who no longer exist) and Jews (to whom a lot has happened since) did in the area around Jerusalem 2,000 years ago.
For what it's worth, I also don't have much patience with arguments based on a battle that happened in 1389.
Of course the truth is not in the middle when you are talking about macro events like the holocaust, but when you're talking about whether the average German was evil, for example, it is most definitely in the middle. I'll tell you why a statute of limitations doesn't make any sense. Don't you think that the history of a people should be taken in to account when judging how some subset of those people act in the future? Isn't that what the US is all about - the revolution is and always will be at the core of who we are. Not to take history in to account, in my opinion, is short-sighted. Context, and history, matter. People make broad generalizations about Israel on the basis of certain events - like admittedly horrendous actions including the continued expansion of settlements in the west bank - but forget that Israel did not set out to conquer the West Bank, or the Golan or East Jerusalem, but ended up doing so because it was attacked. What would you say if Israel withdrew entirely from the West Bank and East Jerusalem, put up a wall, and said to the rest of the Middle, please just leave me alone? Would that do it?
Yes, of course one must take history into account. But not ancient history. What the Romans and Jews did 2,000 years ago is ancient history. What King Solomon did in Jerusalem 3,000 years ago is ancient history. Real actual living people take priority.
Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:28
Subject: Jews and Germans
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Not justifying what they did but thought that most people did not know what the Germans were doing until after the war was over. Then they found out about the real purpose of the concentration camps and the ovens.
Well, no. Many Germans may not have known everything. But if there was a German who didn't know anything, it was only because they willfully refused to know.
Was talking about Ford Co. execs who continued to do business with Germany after the war started. They probably did not know about the holocaust at that time.
Whoops. Sorry! Although really that's even worse. No, they didn't know about the Holocaust at that time, because it hadn't happened yet. Plenty had happened, though, that the whole world knew about.
Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:25
Subject: Jews and Germans
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I do not consider Germans to be generally decent. What they did was not decent. Tricking people into slaughter was a nasty nasty thing to do. Might have had an inch more respect if they had just come right out and said in clear language what they were going to do. Would never trust a German who told me to come and meet on a blind date, heck would not date a German. Would quicker meet with a mobster in a a blind alley. Always felt happy to be LEAVING Germany. The minute the plane took off, I said, ahhh.
Oh, and I am not Jewish.
You seem to have a low IQ.
Yes, so low that they would have taken me off to a death camp. That is why they scare me.
You're afraid of all Germans because you could/would have been sent to a concentration camp 70 years ago?
I wouldn't be afraid of Germans because they are generally nice people. I would however be afraid of one power hungry charismatic control freak who is gifted at controlling people and instilling fear in others.
Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:23
Subject: Re:Jews and Germans
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
And so did the jews when they were displaced from Israel 2000 years ago. I don't ever hear anyone bemoaning their fate though.
At some point there has to be a statute of limitations.
Why? There isn't for murder.
Should it be 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? 500 years? 5000 years?
The point is that life is not black and white, but people sure love to act like it is. The truth is always, always, in the middle.
The truth is not always in the middle. For example, the Holocaust happened. If you get one person saying that the Holocaust happened, and another person saying that the Holocaust didn't happen, is the truth that the Holocaust kinda sorta happened?
I don't know what the statute of limitations should be, but it should be shorter than what the Romans (who no longer exist) and Jews (to whom a lot has happened since) did in the area around Jerusalem 2,000 years ago.
For what it's worth, I also don't have much patience with arguments based on a battle that happened in 1389.
Of course the truth is not in the middle when you are talking about macro events like the holocaust, but when you're talking about whether the average German was evil, for example, it is most definitely in the middle. I'll tell you why a statute of limitations doesn't make any sense. Don't you think that the history of a people should be taken in to account when judging how some subset of those people act in the future? Isn't that what the US is all about - the revolution is and always will be at the core of who we are. Not to take history in to account, in my opinion, is short-sighted. Context, and history, matter. People make broad generalizations about Israel on the basis of certain events - like admittedly horrendous actions including the continued expansion of settlements in the west bank - but forget that Israel did not set out to conquer the West Bank, or the Golan or East Jerusalem, but ended up doing so because it was attacked. What would you say if Israel withdrew entirely from the West Bank and East Jerusalem, put up a wall, and said to the rest of the Middle, please just leave me alone? Would that do it?
Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:22
Subject: Jews and Germans
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Not justifying what they did but thought that most people did not know what the Germans were doing until after the war was over. Then they found out about the real purpose of the concentration camps and the ovens.
Well, no. Many Germans may not have known everything. But if there was a German who didn't know anything, it was only because they willfully refused to know.
Was talking about Ford Co. execs who continued to do business with Germany after the war started. They probably did not know about the holocaust at that time.
Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:17
Subject: Jews and Germans
Anonymous wrote:
Not justifying what they did but thought that most people did not know what the Germans were doing until after the war was over. Then they found out about the real purpose of the concentration camps and the ovens.
Well, no. Many Germans may not have known everything. But if there was a German who didn't know anything, it was only because they willfully refused to know.
Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:12
Subject: Re:Jews and Germans
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
And so did the jews when they were displaced from Israel 2000 years ago. I don't ever hear anyone bemoaning their fate though.
At some point there has to be a statute of limitations.
Why? There isn't for murder.
Should it be 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? 500 years? 5000 years?
The point is that life is not black and white, but people sure love to act like it is. The truth is always, always, in the middle.
The truth is not always in the middle. For example, the Holocaust happened. If you get one person saying that the Holocaust happened, and another person saying that the Holocaust didn't happen, is the truth that the Holocaust kinda sorta happened?
I don't know what the statute of limitations should be, but it should be shorter than what the Romans (who no longer exist) and Jews (to whom a lot has happened since) did in the area around Jerusalem 2,000 years ago.
For what it's worth, I also don't have much patience with arguments based on a battle that happened in 1389.
Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:11
Subject: Re:Jews and Germans
Anonymous wrote:own fault. Could have been preventedAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
And so did the jews when they were displaced from Israel 2000 years ago. I don't ever hear anyone bemoaning their fate though.
At some point there has to be a statute of limitations.
Ok, I'll bite, how?
Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:11
Subject: Jews and Germans
Anonymous wrote:But many of the people who do not buy a German car will buy a Ford.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a German, I am offended when a Jew says they won't drive a German car or whatever - IF they say so in a manner that hints that I have something to do with "it". That is, if they group us all together.
My family happens to have a history of helping Jews during the war. It is an amazing and historically significant story, but not my story to tell.
Don't come barking up my tree about how terrible you think my people are; especially when you will never know the real story.
They built the ovens. Not sure what more justification they would need to insinuate with you when they say they won't by a German car.
Ford motor company continued to do business with Germany even after the US stopped relations. That is why the head of Ford met the Germans in Spain. And the Ford motor company even had slave workers in their factory. A legal claim by one of the workers against Ford was rejected by a judge.
And Germany conguered with Ford motor vehicles
Not justifying what they did but thought that most people did not know what the Germans were doing until after the war was over. Then they found out about the real purpose of the concentration camps and the ovens.
Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:10
Subject: Jews and Germans
20:08 - Stand down.
Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:08
Subject: Jews and Germans
But many of the people who do not buy a German car will buy a Ford.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a German, I am offended when a Jew says they won't drive a German car or whatever - IF they say so in a manner that hints that I have something to do with "it". That is, if they group us all together.
My family happens to have a history of helping Jews during the war. It is an amazing and historically significant story, but not my story to tell.
Don't come barking up my tree about how terrible you think my people are; especially when you will never know the real story.
They built the ovens. Not sure what more justification they would need to insinuate with you when they say they won't by a German car.
Ford motor company continued to do business with Germany even after the US stopped relations. That is why the head of Ford met the Germans in Spain. And the Ford motor company even had slave workers in their factory. A legal claim by one of the workers against Ford was rejected by a judge.
And Germany conguered with Ford motor vehicles
Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:05
Subject: Re:Jews and Germans
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
And so did the jews when they were displaced from Israel 2000 years ago. I don't ever hear anyone bemoaning their fate though.
At some point there has to be a statute of limitations.
Why? There isn't for murder.
Should it be 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? 500 years? 5000 years?
The point is that life is not black and white, but people sure love to act like it is. The truth is always, always, in the middle.
Anonymous
12/08/2013 20:01
Subject: Re:Jews and Germans
own fault. Could have been preventedAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
And so did the jews when they were displaced from Israel 2000 years ago. I don't ever hear anyone bemoaning their fate though.
At some point there has to be a statute of limitations.
Anonymous
12/08/2013 19:59
Subject: Re:Jews and Germans
Anonymous wrote:
And so did the jews when they were displaced from Israel 2000 years ago. I don't ever hear anyone bemoaning their fate though.
At some point there has to be a statute of limitations.
Anonymous
12/08/2013 19:58
Subject: Re:Jews and Germans
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:An honest, serious question.
For those that criticize the Zionists for what may have happened to Palestinians when Israel became a state, what do you think about what American settlers did to the native american people? Or for that matter, the current state of many native american people?
Life, and history, is not black and white. But bigotry is.
The Palestinians and Native Americans share the common problem of occupying land more powerful people wanted. The current Palestinians suffer the same economic disadvantages as Native Americans except those tribes with casinos or cigarette stored. Both got screwed
And so did the jews when they were displaced from Israel 2000 years ago. I don't ever hear anyone bemoaning their fate though.