Anonymous wrote:They didn't even have social security or much in the way of public schools when that poem was written. You were invited to come. Not get free stuff or more stuff than people already living in the US.

Anonymous wrote:You people are stupid , immigrants are great, illegal immigrants which are esol wic and farms are terrible

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Anonymous wrote:These immigrants prepare food, care for children, clean clothes, tend to the landscaping, clean houses, build new homes and renovate old ones, repair cars, maintain commercial buildings -- basically support the lives of the many affluent in this area.

We take care of our own home and yard.
We raise our own kids.
We wash and take care of our own clothing.

We have our cars repaired at local small businesses owned by Americans.
Our house is lovely and old, and well-maintained. It wasn't built by cheap labor and it's going to be standing for ages after the McMansions fall.

We have no use for these criminals. Your attempted guilt trip has no effect on me.

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Anonymous wrote:Immigrants, like you, also want their children to attend and learn at good public schools so that they can do better than their parents in life -- it is not right to tell immigrants that their children are not deserving of an education because they can only aspire to certain jobs that require no college degree.

No one is saying that. What they are saying is that it isn't right for these children to count as 2 students instead of 1 student and get extra resources. They are certainly deserving of an education, just not special treatment.

How, exactly, are these students who are the children of immigrants counted as two students? Are AAP children or special education students similarly counted as two students because they receive special resources? I really do not know, so please explain. Thank you.

I would like to know this, too, and I am an ESOL teacher. I know ESOL counts are figured differently for staffing, but as far as I know, they do not count as 2 people (I thought it was something like 1.2 or something like that). That said, we need smaller class sizes. I currently have a class of 17 students in ESOL 1. Some of them know a little bit of spoken English and some know absolutely nothing. I don't speak Spanish, but from what others tell me, their spoken and written Spanish is really elementary, too. Many of them have very little education in their home language. They are 16-20 years old, yet they don't know how to act in a school setting because where they came from it was a free for all in school. It is basically like teaching kindergarten or 1st grade in a 17 year old body. How many of these types of students do you think I should have in class so that they could learn and progress and hopefully graduate? We are doing the best we can, but it is nearly an impossible task when these kids come here with so little education at such a late age. This is not all ESOL , of course. We certainly have kids at other levels who are educated and move and progress, but there are certainly many, many students in FCPS who are like the ones I described above.

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Anonymous wrote:These immigrants prepare food, care for children, clean clothes, tend to the landscaping, clean houses, build new homes and renovate old ones, repair cars, maintain commercial buildings -- basically support the lives of the many affluent in this area.

We take care of our own home and yard.
We raise our own kids.
We wash and take care of our own clothing.

We have our cars repaired at local small businesses owned by Americans.
Our house is lovely and old, and well-maintained. It wasn't built by cheap labor and it's going to be standing for ages after the McMansions fall.

We have no use for these criminals. Your attempted guilt trip has no effect on me.

Anonymous wrote:Great post 8:14! I'm so glad to see posts like yours countering the other posters.

Anonymous wrote:It is almost comical how the pendulum with respect to working women has swung in my lifetime. We used to be so (unjustifiably) critical of women who worked outside of the home, and now we are so (again, unjustifiably) critical of women who work inside the home.

I am a working woman with children, but my mother and one of my sisters was/is not. I suppose that I run in a less affluent circle than many of the posters here because the stay-at-home mothers I know do not stay at the gym and shop all day -- but rather do some or all of the work that you and I hire a nanny, cleaning service, bus service, afterschool service, tutors, cleaners, and lawn service to do. And all of those people will be able to collect some social security benefits for doing their work.

I also know that in some cases the DH or DW's decision to stay at home, enables the working spouse to earn much more than they otherwise would have because they can work many more hours, and therefore that working spouse is able to contribute much more in taxes, including ss.

Anonymous wrote:It is almost comical how the pendulum with respect to working women has swung in my lifetime. We used to be so (unjustifiably) critical of women who worked outside of the home, and now we are so (again, unjustifiably) critical of women who work inside the home.

I am a working woman with children, but my mother and one of my sisters was/is not. I suppose that I run in a less affluent circle than many of the posters here because the stay-at-home mothers I know do not stay at the gym and shop all day -- but rather do some or all of the work that you and I hire a nanny, cleaning service, bus service, afterschool service, tutors, cleaners, and lawn service to do. And all of those people will be able to collect some social security benefits for doing their work.

I also know that in some cases the DH or DW's decision to stay at home, enables the working spouse to earn much more than they otherwise would have because they can work many more hours, and therefore that working spouse is able to contribute much more in taxes, including ss.