Anonymous wrote:DCPS spends 35k per student system wide not only at Oyster but at Amidon too. However, that includes money spent on sp Ed and all the admins at headquarters and facilities costs. 19k for charters includes their sp Ed costs, facilities, etc. too. Yes, charters have sp ed kids which they have to provide FAPE just like DCPS but have to do it with less money.

Despite the inherent unfairness in funding, charters are doing well including Kipp.

I looked it up. Oyster has $11,391 per student - this data point comes straight from the budget:
http://dc.gov/DCPS/Files/downloads/ABOUT%20DCPS/Budget%20-%20Finance/FY13%20documents/Final%20School%20Allocations-FY13/DCPS-OYSTERADAMS-Allocation-FY13.pdf

Ok Oyster-Adams (we haven't seen elementary only stats) tests better than LAMB, YY and Stokes. Who cares? Those charters are still exceeding other Spanish DCPS. Again, lets not make this a DCPS v. Charter debate. Not everyone can afford to live IB at Oyster nor can the school accommodate every kid that wants Spanish. Why can't we be happy that there are good or great options throughout the city (even low income kids)? I don't understand why people have to have validation about their school choice and have to kick on schools that are trying to serve our kids.

Anonymous wrote:Here's a link to a recent thread talking about funding for charters vs DCPS. See second pg for link to washpo article:

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/321534.page

Ok, once more for the cheap seats. The 35k figure is the average per pupil amount spent across DCPS. Trust me, Oyster is not receiving 35k per student--not even close. Charters can more easily rid themselves of SN students, citing behavioral issues or whatever. DCPS has to educate SN students, and they tend to do so (for the more severe cases) at private schools that can cost upwards of 40 or 50k. That amount will certainly raise the average spending amount. If you actually compared the per pupil amount that Oyster receives, I'm sure there would not be a gap between it and other immersion charters of more than a few thousand dollars, if that.

Here's a link to a recent thread talking about funding for charters vs DCPS. See second pg for link to washpo article:

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/321534.page

DCPS spends 35k per student system wide not only at Oyster but at Amidon too. However, that includes money spent on sp Ed and all the admins at headquarters and facilities costs. 19k for charters includes their sp Ed costs, facilities, etc. too. Yes, charters have sp ed kids which they have to provide FAPE just like DCPS but have to do it with less money.

Despite the inherent unfairness in funding, charters are doing well including Kipp.

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Anonymous wrote:Not one charter school in the top ten. Interesting.

You would expect a charter school to surpass application/test-in magnents and schools West of the Park? Are you new to DC????????????????????

If you break it down by category, several of the top 10 high schools are charters, as are several of the top 10 middle and elementary schools. And yes, in several cases charters did outperform the "highly regarded" DCPS schools.

Well, not one of 6 or so immersion charters outperformed DCPS’ Oyster-Adams in the language immersion category. Oyster is still the champ by a healthy margin. Now if only DCPS could bring up the scores of Bancroft & Marie Reed, among others.

Oyster Adams is how old? I don't know but I've met adults with children who've gone there. Comparing Oyster to a bunch of new charters isn't fair and that's not even getting into how much money is spent per students in DCPS vs charters.

Students in the DC CAS grades test into Oyster on a Spanish language assessment. Guess what? Language proficiency = language proficiency = good student.
Charters can't test students in. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. DCPS "specialty" schools self-select the best students.

Here's why Oyster does relatively well: High SES family=Good Student, and Oyster benefits from a higher percentage of these than the more recent charters, Bancroft, and Marie Reed.

Yes, Oyster is in an affluent neighborhood (one of its saving graces), but it's also 25% FARMs. So not only is it the best performing public bilingual school in the city, it does so with a student body that has a higher percentage of FARMs than Yu Ying and Mundo Verde, and perhaps LAMB. However, Stokes and DC Bilingual are definitely poorer.

Stokes is 74% FARM, is 14 yrs old and gets 19k per student. Oyster is 40 yrs, 25% FARM and DCPS spends 35k per student. So yeah, Oyster has better DC CAS scores. Well, they should.

Please paste the link where it shows DCPS is spending 35k per student AT Oyster. You can't because its not true. That figure (if its even the real number) is the average spent, including special ed students in DC being educated at expensive private schools for special needs students. And if it all boils down to per pupil spending and FARMS, then please explain why Kipp is cleaning Wilson's clock.

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Anonymous wrote:BASIS - first year out - very, very impressive.

+1! Proud Basis parent here!

This should not surprise anyone given the caliber student that is drawn to enroll at Basis. Those would be the scores no matter what school they all enrolled in together

There was a mix of kids from all over the city, and all walks of life, certainly many bright and talented kids. BASIS didn't put much time or energy into DC-CAS prep, DS said it was basically just a study/review session here and there over the course of a few weeks prior to the test. I once asked Paul Morrissey about it, and as I recall he said he really didn't want to have much focus on DC-CAS, that the rest of the work the kids were doing should speak for itself.

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Anonymous wrote:Not one charter school in the top ten. Interesting.

You would expect a charter school to surpass application/test-in magnents and schools West of the Park? Are you new to DC????????????????????

If you break it down by category, several of the top 10 high schools are charters, as are several of the top 10 middle and elementary schools. And yes, in several cases charters did outperform the "highly regarded" DCPS schools.

Well, not one of 6 or so immersion charters outperformed DCPS’ Oyster-Adams in the language immersion category. Oyster is still the champ by a healthy margin. Now if only DCPS could bring up the scores of Bancroft & Marie Reed, among others.

Oyster Adams is how old? I don't know but I've met adults with children who've gone there. Comparing Oyster to a bunch of new charters isn't fair and that's not even getting into how much money is spent per students in DCPS vs charters.

Students in the DC CAS grades test into Oyster on a Spanish language assessment. Guess what? Language proficiency = language proficiency = good student.
Charters can't test students in. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. DCPS "specialty" schools self-select the best students.

Here's why Oyster does relatively well: High SES family=Good Student, and Oyster benefits from a higher percentage of these than the more recent charters, Bancroft, and Marie Reed.

Yes, Oyster is in an affluent neighborhood (one of its saving graces), but it's also 25% FARMs. So not only is it the best performing public bilingual school in the city, it does so with a student body that has a higher percentage of FARMs than Yu Ying and Mundo Verde, and perhaps LAMB. However, Stokes and DC Bilingual are definitely poorer.

Stokes is 74% FARM, is 14 yrs old and gets 19k per student. Oyster is 40 yrs, 25% FARM and DCPS spends 35k per student. So yeah, Oyster has better DC CAS scores. Well, they should.

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Nope, it's not apples to oranges. All language charters self select. Don't you have to get in line at the crack of dawn to even be eligible for a spot at Yu Ying? That hasn't been how one gets a lottery spot at Oyster for more than a decade. Plus, Oyster has to take all comers who live IB, and the school has to compete for Spanish speaking families like any other immersion school.

No, this is incorrect. YuYing has a lottery just like every other school. Anyone who is a resident of the city can enter. If your number is one of the first drawn, you can take an available spot. As for the camping out for a number, those folks are actually camping out to get a spot on the WAITING LIST. They are betting that lottery winners will give up their spot. Then when it's time to go to the wait list, the folks who waited on line will be ready to go.

So, in order to secure a WAITLIST spot I will have to get in line before the sun rises? Wow, if that isn't the very definition of self selection, I don't know what qualifies. Admission to Oyster sounds like a cakewalk compared to Yu Ying. Thank goodness I have zero interest in Mandarin.

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Nope, it's not apples to oranges. All language charters self select. Don't you have to get in line at the crack of dawn to even be eligible for a spot at Yu Ying? That hasn't been how one gets a lottery spot at Oyster for more than a decade. Plus, Oyster has to take all comers who live IB, and the school has to compete for Spanish speaking families like any other immersion school.

No, this is incorrect. YuYing has a lottery just like every other school. Anyone who is a resident of the city can enter. If your number is one of the first drawn, you can take an available spot. As for the camping out for a number, those folks are actually camping out to get a spot on the WAITING LIST. They are betting that lottery winners will give up their spot. Then when it's time to go to the wait list, the folks who waited on line will be ready to go.

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Anonymous wrote:Not one charter school in the top ten. Interesting.

You would expect a charter school to surpass application/test-in magnents and schools West of the Park? Are you new to DC????????????????????

If you break it down by category, several of the top 10 high schools are charters, as are several of the top 10 middle and elementary schools. And yes, in several cases charters did outperform the "highly regarded" DCPS schools.

Well, not one of 6 or so immersion charters outperformed DCPS’ Oyster-Adams in the language immersion category. Oyster is still the champ by a healthy margin. Now if only DCPS could bring up the scores of Bancroft & Marie Reed, among others.

Oyster Adams is how old? I don't know but I've met adults with children who've gone there. Comparing Oyster to a bunch of new charters isn't fair and that's not even getting into how much money is spent per students in DCPS vs charters.

And how old are Kipp, Basis and Latin? It looks as if those schools are giving open enrollment DCPS high schools a run for their money. Maybe you should just admit that, despite its awful principal, someone is doing something right at Oyster. Give credit where credit is due.

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Anonymous wrote:Not one charter school in the top ten. Interesting.

You would expect a charter school to surpass application/test-in magnents and schools West of the Park? Are you new to DC????????????????????

If you break it down by category, several of the top 10 high schools are charters, as are several of the top 10 middle and elementary schools. And yes, in several cases charters did outperform the "highly regarded" DCPS schools.

Well, not one of 6 or so immersion charters outperformed DCPS’ Oyster-Adams in the language immersion category. Oyster is still the champ by a healthy margin. Now if only DCPS could bring up the scores of Bancroft & Marie Reed, among others.

Oyster Adams is how old? I don't know but I've met adults with children who've gone there. Comparing Oyster to a bunch of new charters isn't fair and that's not even getting into how much money is spent per students in DCPS vs charters.

Students in the DC CAS grades test into Oyster on a Spanish language assessment. Guess what? Language proficiency = language proficiency = good student.
Charters can't test students in. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. DCPS "specialty" schools self-select the best students.

Here's why Oyster does relatively well: High SES family=Good Student, and Oyster benefits from a higher percentage of these than the more recent charters, Bancroft, and Marie Reed.

Yes, Oyster is in an affluent neighborhood (one of its saving graces), but it's also 25% FARMs. So not only is it the best performing public bilingual school in the city, it does so with a student body that has a higher percentage of FARMs than Yu Ying and Mundo Verde, and perhaps LAMB. However, Stokes and DC Bilingual are definitely poorer.

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Anonymous wrote:Not one charter school in the top ten. Interesting.

You would expect a charter school to surpass application/test-in magnents and schools West of the Park? Are you new to DC????????????????????

If you break it down by category, several of the top 10 high schools are charters, as are several of the top 10 middle and elementary schools. And yes, in several cases charters did outperform the "highly regarded" DCPS schools.

Well, not one of 6 or so immersion charters outperformed DCPS’ Oyster-Adams in the language immersion category. Oyster is still the champ by a healthy margin. Now if only DCPS could bring up the scores of Bancroft & Marie Reed, among others.

Oyster Adams is how old? I don't know but I've met adults with children who've gone there. Comparing Oyster to a bunch of new charters isn't fair and that's not even getting into how much money is spent per students in DCPS vs charters.

Students in the DC CAS grades test into Oyster on a Spanish language assessment. Guess what? Language proficiency = language proficiency = good student.
Charters can't test students in. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. DCPS "specialty" schools self-select the best students.

Nope, it's not apples to oranges. All language charters self select. Don't you have to get in line at the crack of dawn to even be eligible for a spot at Yu Ying? That hasn't been how one gets a lottery spot at Oyster for more than a decade. Plus, Oyster has to take all comers who live IB, and the school has to compete for Spanish speaking families like any other immersion school.

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Anonymous wrote:Not one charter school in the top ten. Interesting.

You would expect a charter school to surpass application/test-in magnents and schools West of the Park? Are you new to DC????????????????????

If you break it down by category, several of the top 10 high schools are charters, as are several of the top 10 middle and elementary schools. And yes, in several cases charters did outperform the "highly regarded" DCPS schools.

Well, not one of 6 or so immersion charters outperformed DCPS’ Oyster-Adams in the language immersion category. Oyster is still the champ by a healthy margin. Now if only DCPS could bring up the scores of Bancroft & Marie Reed, among others.

Oyster Adams is how old? I don't know but I've met adults with children who've gone there. Comparing Oyster to a bunch of new charters isn't fair and that's not even getting into how much money is spent per students in DCPS vs charters.

Oyster has been bilingual for 41 years. What's your point? I'm sure there are crappy schools that have been around for a lot longer. Stokes has been around for about 15 years. I think that's enough time for their scores to be higher than they are right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Not one charter school in the top ten. Interesting.

You would expect a charter school to surpass application/test-in magnents and schools West of the Park? Are you new to DC????????????????????

If you break it down by category, several of the top 10 high schools are charters, as are several of the top 10 middle and elementary schools. And yes, in several cases charters did outperform the "highly regarded" DCPS schools.

Well, not one of 6 or so immersion charters outperformed DCPS’ Oyster-Adams in the language immersion category. Oyster is still the champ by a healthy margin. Now if only DCPS could bring up the scores of Bancroft & Marie Reed, among others.

Oyster Adams is how old? I don't know but I've met adults with children who've gone there. Comparing Oyster to a bunch of new charters isn't fair and that's not even getting into how much money is spent per students in DCPS vs charters.

Students in the DC CAS grades test into Oyster on a Spanish language assessment. Guess what? Language proficiency = language proficiency = good student.
Charters can't test students in. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. DCPS "specialty" schools self-select the best students.

Here's why Oyster does relatively well: High SES family=Good Student, and Oyster benefits from a higher percentage of these than the more recent charters, Bancroft, and Marie Reed.