Anonymous
Post 06/21/2013 10:45     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
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Anonymous wrote:PP - If you can eliminate 25 kids/grade - that's 100 kids which is about 2/3 of the current overcrowding. Does it solve the whole problem? No. But that's a sizable percentage. Should we look at ALL COSAs? Yes. But that doesn't mean you do nothing at all while you work through the other COSAs.

And couldn't this be seen as an opportunity to increase the number of Spanish 7 classes around the entire system? Why should BCC be one of the few when there are surely home school communities that would appreciate the option.


Because, when you take 25 immersion kid and split them up around 20 high schools, that means that there are only a few kids prepared for Spanish 7 at each school -- not enough to offer a successful class. You can't have an effective Spanish class that is teaching to three different levels of Spanish in the same classroom. This would mean that each group is getting about 15 minutes of instruction and spending the rest of the time teaching themselves. Not really an effective strategy in a foreign language.


Maybe a solution would be to spread around the schools that offer advanced classes. For example, ensure that at least one DCC school offers it so that kids in the DCC have an option to choose a school that has Spanish 7. Seems if the BOE goes through with this, they should find a way to ensure students who want to continue advanced classes can.

Question for the immersion parents- if continuing to BCC wasn't an option, would you still enroll your kids in the immersion program knowing they'd have to go back to their home high school?
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2013 10:28     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
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Anonymous wrote:I just don't think that the argument about keeping the community of students together through high school will be persuasive with MCPS, since kids in other immersion programs only stay together through middle school. There are even middle schools in the county where students articulate to different high schools.


Saying the same lie over and over is not going to work. Chinese immersion students go to Churchill, RCF go to BCC and SSIM can do choice. That means that now all immersion students are treated as if the were in boundary. So stop repeating the same LIE!


You forgot the French immersion students. Please see the beginning if the thread regarding which cluster they all get to matriculate into together... oh wait, there isn't one.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2013 10:03     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
Anonymous wrote:PP - If you can eliminate 25 kids/grade - that's 100 kids which is about 2/3 of the current overcrowding. Does it solve the whole problem? No. But that's a sizable percentage. Should we look at ALL COSAs? Yes. But that doesn't mean you do nothing at all while you work through the other COSAs.

And couldn't this be seen as an opportunity to increase the number of Spanish 7 classes around the entire system? Why should BCC be one of the few when there are surely home school communities that would appreciate the option.


Because, when you take 25 immersion kid and split them up around 20 high schools, that means that there are only a few kids prepared for Spanish 7 at each school -- not enough to offer a successful class. You can't have an effective Spanish class that is teaching to three different levels of Spanish in the same classroom. This would mean that each group is getting about 15 minutes of instruction and spending the rest of the time teaching themselves. Not really an effective strategy in a foreign language.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2013 09:40     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Many of the people I know who applied to immersion did so to try and avoid the DCC. Doing away with the BCC option might encourage people who aren't actually that interested in the immersion aspect to stick with their neighborhood schools or move.


Most people in Sligo and rolling terrace are from the DCC and some from Bethesda attend these programs so what's your point?


I know parents who sent their kids to Rolling Terrace and then tested them into Rock Creek Forest later (a younger sibling was admitted there) so that they could go to BCC. All to avoid DCC.



All anecdotal... If you go to RCF it's cause you want to go to BCC, if you go to Rolling Terrace it's cause you want to go to test in later... Sheesh. Many want to go to RCF because its full immersion by the way. I know for a fact that at you do not know every family in immersion or their motivations and it doesn't even matter. Bottom line is it makes sense for kids to continue on in a cluster they've been in whether its BCC, Gaithersburg or wherever.


Yes it's anecdotal but it's definitely a primary motivation for a number of families I've spoken to.


same here. And a lot of the current Westland parents are making the argument against this change by saying that if they had known earlier they would have tried to get their kids in another magnet program, which says to me that they will do all they can to avoid sending their kids into the general population at the DCC schools.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 20:25     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Many of the people I know who applied to immersion did so to try and avoid the DCC. Doing away with the BCC option might encourage people who aren't actually that interested in the immersion aspect to stick with their neighborhood schools or move.


Most people in Sligo and rolling terrace are from the DCC and some from Bethesda attend these programs so what's your point?


I know parents who sent their kids to Rolling Terrace and then tested them into Rock Creek Forest later (a younger sibling was admitted there) so that they could go to BCC. All to avoid DCC.



All anecdotal... If you go to RCF it's cause you want to go to BCC, if you go to Rolling Terrace it's cause you want to go to test in later... Sheesh. Many want to go to RCF because its full immersion by the way. I know for a fact that at you do not know every family in immersion or their motivations and it doesn't even matter. Bottom line is it makes sense for kids to continue on in a cluster they've been in whether its BCC, Gaithersburg or wherever.


Yes it's anecdotal but it's definitely a primary motivation for a number of families I've spoken to.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 20:19     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
The Board is aware of this back door into B-CC and is about to close it. Devote your energies to making your home schools better for all students.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 16:20     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Many of the people I know who applied to immersion did so to try and avoid the DCC. Doing away with the BCC option might encourage people who aren't actually that interested in the immersion aspect to stick with their neighborhood schools or move.


Most people in Sligo and rolling terrace are from the DCC and some from Bethesda attend these programs so what's your point?


I know parents who sent their kids to Rolling Terrace and then tested them into Rock Creek Forest later (a younger sibling was admitted there) so that they could go to BCC. All to avoid DCC.



All anecdotal... If you go to RCF it's cause you want to go to BCC, if you go to Rolling Terrace it's cause you want to go to test in later... Sheesh. Many want to go to RCF because its full immersion by the way. I know for a fact that at you do not know every family in immersion or their motivations and it doesn't even matter. Bottom line is it makes sense for kids to continue on in a cluster they've been in whether its BCC, Gaithersburg or wherever.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 15:02     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Many of the people I know who applied to immersion did so to try and avoid the DCC. Doing away with the BCC option might encourage people who aren't actually that interested in the immersion aspect to stick with their neighborhood schools or move.


Most people in Sligo and rolling terrace are from the DCC and some from Bethesda attend these programs so what's your point?


I know parents who sent their kids to Rolling Terrace and then tested them into Rock Creek Forest later (a younger sibling was admitted there) so that they could go to BCC. All to avoid DCC.

Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 13:34     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Many of the people I know who applied to immersion did so to try and avoid the DCC. Doing away with the BCC option might encourage people who aren't actually that interested in the immersion aspect to stick with their neighborhood schools or move.


Most people in Sligo and rolling terrace are from the DCC and some from Bethesda attend these programs so what's your point?


Maybe those people actually want to be in the immersion program? As opposed to doing it to get into BCC (I knew a parent who did this btw- her kid HATED the immersion program but mom made them stick with it so kid could go to BCC). I certainly wouldn't generalize though.

Seems if the immersion students were sent back to their high schools there would be more of a demand for Spanish 7 there. Presumably the demand is at BCC partly because the immersion students go there. Would this be phased in? Seems a bit unfair to kids already in the program to change the rules, but for future classes I can see the reasoning, provided they had options to continue advanced classes. Or maybe as another PP said, the immersion program should continue into high school.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 13:10     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
Anonymous wrote:Many of the people I know who applied to immersion did so to try and avoid the DCC. Doing away with the BCC option might encourage people who aren't actually that interested in the immersion aspect to stick with their neighborhood schools or move.


Most people in Sligo and rolling terrace are from the DCC and some from Bethesda attend these programs so what's your point?
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 12:42     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
Many of the people I know who applied to immersion did so to try and avoid the DCC. Doing away with the BCC option might encourage people who aren't actually that interested in the immersion aspect to stick with their neighborhood schools or move.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 11:52     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
Anonymous wrote:Those of you pressing to keep articulating to BCC really need to get your facts straight. Chinese may have a case to continue to Churchill since this is a less commonly taught language. Immersion students attending SSI out of boundary have no advantage in the choice process and often are not admitted to overcrowded Blair after several appeals - however they can apply to CAP at Blair since SSI is a Blair/DCC feeder school.

Spanish through AP is offered at every school. If a school doesn't currently offer level 7, you can request that the central office explain the need to the home high school which may result in a class with multiple levels. Its done that way even at Blair currently.

The case to be made is to continue immersion through high school as they do in PG County at Roosevelt. Then special articulation would actually make sense.


What was factually incorrect? You just repeated what was said in more detail and ad-libed. I could do my own but facts are facts.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 11:37     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
Those of you pressing to keep articulating to BCC really need to get your facts straight. Chinese may have a case to continue to Churchill since this is a less commonly taught language. Immersion students attending SSI out of boundary have no advantage in the choice process and often are not admitted to overcrowded Blair after several appeals - however they can apply to CAP at Blair since SSI is a Blair/DCC feeder school.

Spanish through AP is offered at every school. If a school doesn't currently offer level 7, you can request that the central office explain the need to the home high school which may result in a class with multiple levels. Its done that way even at Blair currently.

The case to be made is to continue immersion through high school as they do in PG County at Roosevelt. Then special articulation would actually make sense.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 11:25     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
Anonymous wrote:I just don't think that the argument about keeping the community of students together through high school will be persuasive with MCPS, since kids in other immersion programs only stay together through middle school. There are even middle schools in the county where students articulate to different high schools.


Saying the same lie over and over is not going to work. Chinese immersion students go to Churchill, RCF go to BCC and SSIM can do choice. That means that now all immersion students are treated as if the were in boundary. So stop repeating the same LIE!
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2013 08:05     Subject: current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc
I just don't think that the argument about keeping the community of students together through high school will be persuasive with MCPS, since kids in other immersion programs only stay together through middle school. There are even middle schools in the county where students articulate to different high schools.