Anonymous
01/02/2014 16:23
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The simplest solution is to make Hardy more in-bounds. That means moving Oyster, Eaton and maybe Hearst to Hardy. This is also the most dangerous solution, for an influx of Hearst, Eaton and Oyster may be enough to prompt Mann and Key students to stay on as well, and then the school could eventually find itself over capacity with just in-bounds kids.
I was actually speaking to a Mann mom today. Her oldest is 8, I think. She mentioned she (and others) are expecting to send their kids to Hardy.
Hearst prek is increasingly IB, so I bet a high percentage will end up feeding whichever middle school in the future.
Taking Hearst out of Deal would make for fairly strange geographical patterns. The north boundary of Hearst is closer to Deal than parts of Murch or Janney, and all of Lafayette. (Yes clearly parts of Janney and clearly Murch are closer, and parts of Hearst are farther, but most of Hearst is quite close to Deal.) You could also potentially have a strange wrap-around shape if Bancroft stays in.
Anonymous
01/02/2014 13:29
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
Anonymous wrote:The simplest solution is to make Hardy more in-bounds. That means moving Oyster, Eaton and maybe Hearst to Hardy. This is also the most dangerous solution, for an influx of Hearst, Eaton and Oyster may be enough to prompt Mann and Key students to stay on as well, and then the school could eventually find itself over capacity with just in-bounds kids.
I was actually speaking to a Mann mom today. Her oldest is 8, I think. She mentioned she (and others) are expecting to send their kids to Hardy.
Hearst prek is increasingly IB, so I bet a high percentage will end up feeding whichever middle school in the future.
Anonymous
01/01/2014 21:49
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
The simplest solution is to make Hardy more in-bounds. That means moving Oyster, Eaton and maybe Hearst to Hardy. This is also the most dangerous solution, for an influx of Hearst, Eaton and Oyster may be enough to prompt Mann and Key students to stay on as well, and then the school could eventually find itself over capacity with just in-bounds kids.
I was actually speaking to a Mann mom today. Her oldest is 8, I think. She mentioned she (and others) are expecting to send their kids to Hardy.
I was actually speaking to a Mann mom today. Her oldest is 8, I think. She mentioned she (and others) are expecting to send their kids to Hardy.
Anonymous
01/01/2014 21:39
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
Deal can't help but lose diversity if it gains students in the core of its boundaries as that area is demographically different from the rest of the City on both race and class. We all know this to be true.
But we are not going to continually re-expand Deal. I also believe we are going to continue to have a geography-based boundary and feeder system in middle schools.
I see two choices and one likely outcome - Deal's boundaries become more compact and/or its feeders become more limited. A mix of both is quite likely as it serves to mitigate the overall hit on either one.
A boundary clip to cut out someplace further east, e.g., east of 18th st NW, a Hardy shift north and a clip out of a couple places like Bancroft and Oyster. I dont think it'll be enough given growth inbounds at Deal but that's my educated guess.
Does anyone believe there is a more likely outcome? Come on guys.
But we are not going to continually re-expand Deal. I also believe we are going to continue to have a geography-based boundary and feeder system in middle schools.
I see two choices and one likely outcome - Deal's boundaries become more compact and/or its feeders become more limited. A mix of both is quite likely as it serves to mitigate the overall hit on either one.
A boundary clip to cut out someplace further east, e.g., east of 18th st NW, a Hardy shift north and a clip out of a couple places like Bancroft and Oyster. I dont think it'll be enough given growth inbounds at Deal but that's my educated guess.
Does anyone believe there is a more likely outcome? Come on guys.
Anonymous
01/01/2014 20:56
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would jump start the process to make Eaton and Oyster into Hardy feeders, since they're closer to Hardy than Deal anyway.
Mann is closer to Deal than it is to Hardy, yet it feeds Hardy. Eaton and Oyster should too.
Again, it is actually much harder for students living near the Woodley Park or Cleveland Park stations to get to Hardy than it is for them to simply jump on a train and hop out a couple of minutes later at Tenleytown. Please keep in mind that middle school kids will not be delivered by minivan!!
+1
This is why they made all the buses free for students. DCPS baby steps. Plus such a small number of IB students from those two neighborhoods go to their IB elementary. Highly unlikely they are going to Deal so this point is pretty much moot. Now we are talking about non-WP/CP families getting to Hardy vs. Deal. I bet DCPS doesn't see much difference in that.
which takes out any of diversity from deal, so I think YES DCPS and others see some difference in that. The entire city will not be happy if Deal is just made whiter and whiter.
The "entire city" is getting whiter and whiter.
Should OA stop getting the option for Deal? That seems like a stretch geographically and they already have a middle school.
Anonymous
12/31/2013 22:52
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would jump start the process to make Eaton and Oyster into Hardy feeders, since they're closer to Hardy than Deal anyway.
Mann is closer to Deal than it is to Hardy, yet it feeds Hardy. Eaton and Oyster should too.
Again, it is actually much harder for students living near the Woodley Park or Cleveland Park stations to get to Hardy than it is for them to simply jump on a train and hop out a couple of minutes later at Tenleytown. Please keep in mind that middle school kids will not be delivered by minivan!!
+1
This is why they made all the buses free for students. DCPS baby steps. Plus such a small number of IB students from those two neighborhoods go to their IB elementary. Highly unlikely they are going to Deal so this point is pretty much moot. Now we are talking about non-WP/CP families getting to Hardy vs. Deal. I bet DCPS doesn't see much difference in that.
which takes out any of diversity from deal, so I think YES DCPS and others see some difference in that. The entire city will not be happy if Deal is just made whiter and whiter.
The "entire city" is getting whiter and whiter.
Anonymous
12/31/2013 17:11
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
Maybe Kaya will wake up to what Rhee didn't understand about middle schools, that 6-8 should not be attached to elementary schools, and that bigger middle schools allow for wider array of course offerings.
Only recognizing that and completely restructuring middle school in DC will make real, widespread impact on MS education in DC. Get rid of the notion of these "education campuses" serving too many grades, and go with what works for most school districts, separate and large, middle and high schools.
Only recognizing that and completely restructuring middle school in DC will make real, widespread impact on MS education in DC. Get rid of the notion of these "education campuses" serving too many grades, and go with what works for most school districts, separate and large, middle and high schools.
Anonymous
12/31/2013 17:08
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would jump start the process to make Eaton and Oyster into Hardy feeders, since they're closer to Hardy than Deal anyway.
Mann is closer to Deal than it is to Hardy, yet it feeds Hardy. Eaton and Oyster should too.
Again, it is actually much harder for students living near the Woodley Park or Cleveland Park stations to get to Hardy than it is for them to simply jump on a train and hop out a couple of minutes later at Tenleytown. Please keep in mind that middle school kids will not be delivered by minivan!!
+1
This is why they made all the buses free for students. DCPS baby steps. Plus such a small number of IB students from those two neighborhoods go to their IB elementary. Highly unlikely they are going to Deal so this point is pretty much moot. Now we are talking about non-WP/CP families getting to Hardy vs. Deal. I bet DCPS doesn't see much difference in that.
which takes out any of diversity from deal, so I think YES DCPS and others see some difference in that. The entire city will not be happy if Deal is just made whiter and whiter.
Why in the world would the "entire city" be unhappy if Deal gets "whiter and whiter?" Neighborhoods change: some get "whiter," some get different shades of skin color, some stay the same. That's the nature of neighborhoods; they change over time. We have a neighborhood school system here in this City, just like the vast majority of school districts across the entire Nation. To gripe about the nature of reality is, at minimum, counter-productive.
And, separately: "whiter and whiter?" Really? In 2013, this is the focus of the analysis? Depressing.
Race and school boundaries have been entangled in every school system in the US for decades and decades. ESPECIALLY DC. Don't act so surprised my friend.
I'm surprised that these words are being used, yes, as well as the thought process at work. Race should not be used as a compass for decision-making unless there's real racism at work that needs to be changed. I haven't heard anyone say that the current DCPS alignment is racist -- do you think so? Otherwise, the discussion should be about access to good schools and how to achieve it. (and there are various ways to do that).
If the words were reversed to "blacker and blacker," imagine the outcry. Perhaps you should also think a little more open-mindedly, "my friend."
Anonymous
12/31/2013 16:55
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would jump start the process to make Eaton and Oyster into Hardy feeders, since they're closer to Hardy than Deal anyway.
Mann is closer to Deal than it is to Hardy, yet it feeds Hardy. Eaton and Oyster should too.
Again, it is actually much harder for students living near the Woodley Park or Cleveland Park stations to get to Hardy than it is for them to simply jump on a train and hop out a couple of minutes later at Tenleytown. Please keep in mind that middle school kids will not be delivered by minivan!!
+1
This is why they made all the buses free for students. DCPS baby steps. Plus such a small number of IB students from those two neighborhoods go to their IB elementary. Highly unlikely they are going to Deal so this point is pretty much moot. Now we are talking about non-WP/CP families getting to Hardy vs. Deal. I bet DCPS doesn't see much difference in that.
which takes out any of diversity from deal, so I think YES DCPS and others see some difference in that. The entire city will not be happy if Deal is just made whiter and whiter.
Why in the world would the "entire city" be unhappy if Deal gets "whiter and whiter?" Neighborhoods change: some get "whiter," some get different shades of skin color, some stay the same. That's the nature of neighborhoods; they change over time. We have a neighborhood school system here in this City, just like the vast majority of school districts across the entire Nation. To gripe about the nature of reality is, at minimum, counter-productive.
And, separately: "whiter and whiter?" Really? In 2013, this is the focus of the analysis? Depressing.
Race and school boundaries have been entangled in every school system in the US for decades and decades. ESPECIALLY DC. Don't act so surprised my friend.
Anonymous
12/31/2013 16:43
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would jump start the process to make Eaton and Oyster into Hardy feeders, since they're closer to Hardy than Deal anyway.
Mann is closer to Deal than it is to Hardy, yet it feeds Hardy. Eaton and Oyster should too.
Again, it is actually much harder for students living near the Woodley Park or Cleveland Park stations to get to Hardy than it is for them to simply jump on a train and hop out a couple of minutes later at Tenleytown. Please keep in mind that middle school kids will not be delivered by minivan!!
+1
This is why they made all the buses free for students. DCPS baby steps. Plus such a small number of IB students from those two neighborhoods go to their IB elementary. Highly unlikely they are going to Deal so this point is pretty much moot. Now we are talking about non-WP/CP families getting to Hardy vs. Deal. I bet DCPS doesn't see much difference in that.
which takes out any of diversity from deal, so I think YES DCPS and others see some difference in that. The entire city will not be happy if Deal is just made whiter and whiter.
Why in the world would the "entire city" be unhappy if Deal gets "whiter and whiter?" Neighborhoods change: some get "whiter," some get different shades of skin color, some stay the same. That's the nature of neighborhoods; they change over time. We have a neighborhood school system here in this City, just like the vast majority of school districts across the entire Nation. To gripe about the nature of reality is, at minimum, counter-productive.
And, separately: "whiter and whiter?" Really? In 2013, this is the focus of the analysis? Depressing.
Anonymous
12/31/2013 16:35
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
I think they will keep the eotp schools which is a bigger "diversity" equation than Hearst and Eaton.
Anonymous
12/31/2013 16:34
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would jump start the process to make Eaton and Oyster into Hardy feeders, since they're closer to Hardy than Deal anyway.
Mann is closer to Deal than it is to Hardy, yet it feeds Hardy. Eaton and Oyster should too.
Again, it is actually much harder for students living near the Woodley Park or Cleveland Park stations to get to Hardy than it is for them to simply jump on a train and hop out a couple of minutes later at Tenleytown. Please keep in mind that middle school kids will not be delivered by minivan!!
+1
This is why they made all the buses free for students. DCPS baby steps. Plus such a small number of IB students from those two neighborhoods go to their IB elementary. Highly unlikely they are going to Deal so this point is pretty much moot. Now we are talking about non-WP/CP families getting to Hardy vs. Deal. I bet DCPS doesn't see much difference in that.
which takes out any of diversity from deal, so I think YES DCPS and others see some difference in that. The entire city will not be happy if Deal is just made whiter and whiter.
Anonymous
12/31/2013 16:23
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pride was a disaster in several settings in DC. She will be a disaster at Hardy. Just give her some time.
LOl, you have said that before in another thread.
Different post-er here: no, really, look at her bio and see that she's never been in one place within DCPS for very long; but she does such a good job serving upper management that they find a new place for her every time she's shown the door. Just ask the Stoddert teachers how they liked her. See how DCPS rigged the selection process for her job at Hardy. But regardless, and much more importantly: Pride has a terrific opportunity to reach out to (and listen to, and support) teachers, parents, and staff at Hardy and make it into a really great school. It's already a decent school. Just because Pride has detractors in the past does not mean she should be dragged down in her efforts to achieve excellence in her new position at Hardy. Everyone -- parents, staff, teachers -- should warmly support her until she shows she's not up to the task! It's just that she shouldn't be given longer than a year to prove it, imo, given her track record.
Anonymous
12/31/2013 16:23
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
And if you have ever been around Deal at beginning of the day and dismissal the most used modes of transport are pretty clear to see:
1.)walking/bikes
2.)bus (dedicated city bus and non-dedicated)
3.)car (loads of mini-vans)
4.)kids walking across Reno park from Metro
1.)walking/bikes
2.)bus (dedicated city bus and non-dedicated)
3.)car (loads of mini-vans)
4.)kids walking across Reno park from Metro
Anonymous
12/31/2013 16:20
Subject: Deal and Hardy turnaround
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would jump start the process to make Eaton and Oyster into Hardy feeders, since they're closer to Hardy than Deal anyway.
Mann is closer to Deal than it is to Hardy, yet it feeds Hardy. Eaton and Oyster should too.
Again, it is actually much harder for students living near the Woodley Park or Cleveland Park stations to get to Hardy than it is for them to simply jump on a train and hop out a couple of minutes later at Tenleytown. Please keep in mind that middle school kids will not be delivered by minivan!!
+1
This is why they made all the buses free for students. DCPS baby steps. Plus such a small number of IB students from those two neighborhoods go to their IB elementary. Highly unlikely they are going to Deal so this point is pretty much moot. Now we are talking about non-WP/CP families getting to Hardy vs. Deal. I bet DCPS doesn't see much difference in that.