Are those making the case for grandfathering really proposing no change in enrollment from current to next? What alternative solutions are on the table to reduce the total enrollment from this year's 968 by next year? Doing nothing is not an option.

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Anonymous wrote:Assuming that current Cluster 2 AAP students at Haycock get grandfathered, what does the enrollment at Haycock look like over the next five years? If I understand correctly, the number of students moving from Haycock to Lemon Road will be substantially lower than the number that Janie Strauss tossed out at the parents' meeting.

I have a quick question. If the current AAP students get grandfathered, and the rising 3rd graders eligible to AAP are going to Lemon Road, I wonder how FCPS will manage the school bus. do we get 3 buses - base school, Haycock, and Lemon Road? I heard they are short of school bus, My DC was suffered from the overcrowed school bus for years, but they don't have enough school bus to add one. Do they have enough fund? Heard any plan about school bus?

I think they should not allow grandfathering students.

They don't necessarily need a second bus. They can do "depot" service where they bus everyone to LR then have the bus go from LR to Haycock. Also, for some of the students, LR is on the way to Haycock. They're not that far apart. It's a manageable issue.

I suspect you think they shouldn't allow grandfathering because it's not your child they are proposing to move.

I see no need for grandfathering since many students would move. Do you people think you are the first parents in this county whose students went to a new AAP or GT Center? FCPS has been there done that successfully with and without grandfathering.

The staff I talked to last night said that grandfathering is the strong policy of FCPS and it's what is best for the kids. Staff highly recommends grandfathering. I want to respond to the "many students would move" part of your comment. So what? My child did not make she friends according to which cluster people are in. She has her friends and has no idea where the various children live. I think none of them is cluster 2. So yes, there would be 22 kids from 5th grade that would move but how does that help her? I get it, she'd go to Kilmer the following year, but at that point, many elementary schools merge and there will be many, many new kids so the friends will shuffle. She already did this once when she moved to Haycock because none of her previous school friends came along and she's going to have to do it again for middle school. Sure, she's capable of making new friends, but she's in the vulnerable preteen years and this would be a good time for her to be able to count on the support of the friends she's had for three years. If it happens, she'll handle it because she's a great kid with a positive attitude. It's just a pretty crappy thing to do to her. We're talking 118 kids in the 3rd, 4th and 5th grades and likely a few will leave by attrition anyway so it will be fewer. It's really not that many kids and is not going to make a huge difference at Haycock anyway. It's not like the school will be suddenly less crowded and all of the problems will be solved. It's not a panacea.

Anonymous wrote:Haycock without the center would be a totally different and less special school. The presence of the center benefits the whole school. The center has been at Haycock for a very long time and is ingrained in the culture. It is not just a neighborhood school. If they move the center, Haycock loses its culture. Everyone at Haycock bought their homes knowing it was a center school.

And I bought my home in the Westgate boundary, knowing that my AAP kids would be going to Haycock. Things change. Boundaries change. Schools change.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised that they are not eliminating the center at Haycock like they are at Hunters Woods. Haycock does not have room for the center anymore, and would likely benefit if they reduced the program to a LLIV program and sent Franklin Sherman, Chesterbrook, and Timberlane elsewhere.

They should eliminate the entire center from Haycock.

Haycock is busting at the seams --I agree the center should go if the school will ever have a manageable capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised that they are not eliminating the center at Haycock like they are at Hunters Woods. Haycock does not have room for the center anymore, and would likely benefit if they reduced the program to a LLIV program and sent Franklin Sherman, Chesterbrook, and Timberlane elsewhere.

They should eliminate the entire center from Haycock.

Haycock is busting at the seams --I agree the center should go if the school will ever have a manageable capacity.

Anonymous wrote:Haycock without the center would be a totally different and less special school. The presence of the center benefits the whole school. The center has been at Haycock for a very long time and is ingrained in the culture. It is not just a neighborhood school. If they move the center, Haycock loses its culture. Everyone at Haycock bought their homes knowing it was a center school.

So what?

Haycock without the center would be a totally different and less special school. The presence of the center benefits the whole school. The center has been at Haycock for a very long time and is ingrained in the culture. It is not just a neighborhood school. If they move the center, Haycock loses its culture. Everyone at Haycock bought their homes knowing it was a center school.

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Anonymous wrote:Assuming that current Cluster 2 AAP students at Haycock get grandfathered, what does the enrollment at Haycock look like over the next five years? If I understand correctly, the number of students moving from Haycock to Lemon Road will be substantially lower than the number that Janie Strauss tossed out at the parents' meeting.

I have a quick question. If the current AAP students get grandfathered, and the rising 3rd graders eligible to AAP are going to Lemon Road, I wonder how FCPS will manage the school bus. do we get 3 buses - base school, Haycock, and Lemon Road? I heard they are short of school bus, My DC was suffered from the overcrowed school bus for years, but they don't have enough school bus to add one. Do they have enough fund? Heard any plan about school bus?

I think they should not allow grandfathering students.

They don't necessarily need a second bus. They can do "depot" service where they bus everyone to LR then have the bus go from LR to Haycock. Also, for some of the students, LR is on the way to Haycock. They're not that far apart. It's a manageable issue.

I suspect you think they shouldn't allow grandfathering because it's not your child they are proposing to move.

I see no need for grandfathering since many students would move. Do you people think you are the first parents in this county whose students went to a new AAP or GT Center? FCPS has been there done that successfully with and without grandfathering.

Why? It is very feasible. We moved there for the center.

Anonymous wrote:FCPS should eliminate the center at Haycock. it is simple not feasible there!

FCPS should eliminate the center at Haycock. it is simple not feasible there!

I agree with removing the center, but it would be interesting to see how that changes the school. It's a great school and I think the center is part of the reason that it has the reputation and culture that it does. The center has been there for a zillion years. It's very ingrained in the school's culture.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised that they are not eliminating the center at Haycock like they are at Hunters Woods. Haycock does not have room for the center anymore, and would likely benefit if they reduced the program to a LLIV program and sent Franklin Sherman, Chesterbrook, and Timberlane elsewhere.

They should eliminate the entire center from Haycock.

I agree!

19:47 here. The fifth graders no one opposes "grandfathering" not moving. Everyone agrees they will NOT be moved, I think.

Anonymous wrote:Assuming that current Cluster 2 AAP students at Haycock get grandfathered, what does the enrollment at Haycock look like over the next five years? If I understand correctly, the number of students moving from Haycock to Lemon Road will be substantially lower than the number that Janie Strauss tossed out at the parents' meeting.

Of the 155 that was tossed out, 15 are Franklin Sherman kids they assume will not come next year because they will have LLIV. So of the 140 remaining, about 20-25 are sixth graders and will graduate this year anyway. About 25 are fifth graders that no one is opposing moving next year. That leaves less than 100 between third and fourth grade (4th and 5th next year). It's really not that many kids. The principal today projected that the kindergarten will not grow next year and without the "Cluster 2" third graders, next year's third grade AAP will be about 1-2 classes smaller than this year's. So it gets better next year even with full grandfathering.

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised that they are not eliminating the center at Haycock like they are at Hunters Woods. Haycock does not have room for the center anymore, and would likely benefit if they reduced the program to a LLIV program and sent Franklin Sherman, Chesterbrook, and Timberlane elsewhere.

They should eliminate the entire center from Haycock.