Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:50     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
The law as it is now needs to be changed to determine a point where the baby is it's own entity. It is very barbaric and ignorant to think that just because its physically inside the woman that it is her property, I still can't believe this is the test of what is part of a person vs what is not, using this logic would a woman be able to take ownership of any being or item but consuming it? . I also feel it is unfair that a man has no say in whether a termination occurs or not.

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This is simply biological reality. The woman is the only one who can conceive, gestate, and birth a baby, and must accept all the risks and pains that go along with that. The woman is also the only one who can decide to terminate or not. Until scientists give men another option to gestate their offspring, such as an artificial uterus, women have the power and control here.

And THAT is the reasons for patriarchal oppression of women. It's about sex and power. Speficially, women's life-giving sexual power/the resulting jealousy of men.

Penis Envy my ass.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:50     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ashamed to live in VA.

Pls move to MD. Better chances for my kids to get into the good state schools.


Competition is the least of your kids' problems - I'd be more converned about the apparent lack of intelligence in their gene pool.


ohhhhhhhh, soo funny. A lot of the native born northern Virginians are not happy with all the northerners that moved down here for jobs and lower costs of living while attempting to lib it up.


You should thank us every goddamn day that we have or you'd still be shitting in an outhouse. Sorry we interupted your weekly crossing burnings!
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:49     Subject: Re:Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
The issue is that there is a large portion of the world that believes a baby regardless of stage is another human being. Now the question is at what point is it? I believe we will see that it is probably at 14-16 weeks especially with new technology that can detect brain waves pain etc... so your argument will not be valid


A large part of the world believes cows are sacred, too - when will Virginia outlaw the hamburger?

By the way, when right-wingers start pointing to the what "the rest of the world" believes, you know they're desparate. Their default position is, "If it ain't 'Muriken, it ain't shit!" Ask them to limit greenhouse gasses, and they scream about interference with our God-given right to be capitalists. Many of them are convinced the sole porpose of the united nations is to subvert American sovereignty. But now, NOW - a "large portion of the world" believes something or other, so we have to fall in line. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't you?

Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:49     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I am ok with the day after pill (or week after pill, or whatever it is). I am ok with birth control. So if you make a mistake, or something unplanned happens, take the day after pill. But 2-3 months later I think its too late, sorry.


I consider myself a pretty liberal woman, and I've always wanted to be pro-choice, but I kind of agree with the above. I could never really fully feel comfortable with the fact that, although it is a woman's body, technically the baby growing inside is a separate entity, life, body, whatever you want to call it, and an abortion is ending a life. I want to be pro-choice, but I have always felt uneasy about sanctioning termination of a human life. I should clarify that I'm talking about after the growing baby has characteristics that, in my opinion, make it human (e.g., a developed and differentiated nervous system, beating heart, etc.). Earlier than that in a pregnancy, I think it's a sufficiently murky and gray area, and abortion very early, in my book, is 'okay,' for lack of a better word.
Also, my thoughts sometimes turn to the dads... it's the woman's body that is carrying the baby, but the baby is 50% dad's baby...so what happens if he wants the baby but the mom wants to terminate? It's such a tough subject. I wish we could just eliminate the need for abortions, as a PP said.


The law as it is now needs to be changed to determine a point where the baby is it's own entity. It is very barbaric and ignorant to think that just because its physically inside the woman that it is her property, I still can't believe this is the test of what is part of a person vs what is not, using this logic would a woman be able to take ownership of any being or item but consuming it? . I also feel it is unfair that a man has no say in whether a termination occurs or not.


It is very barbaric to think that, just because there's a fetus in there, a woman no longer has control of her own body.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:48     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I am ok with the day after pill (or week after pill, or whatever it is). I am ok with birth control. So if you make a mistake, or something unplanned happens, take the day after pill. But 2-3 months later I think its too late, sorry.


I consider myself a pretty liberal woman, and I've always wanted to be pro-choice, but I kind of agree with the above. I could never really fully feel comfortable with the fact that, although it is a woman's body, technically the baby growing inside is a separate entity, life, body, whatever you want to call it, and an abortion is ending a life. I want to be pro-choice, but I have always felt uneasy about sanctioning termination of a human life. I should clarify that I'm talking about after the growing baby has characteristics that, in my opinion, make it human (e.g., a developed and differentiated nervous system, beating heart, etc.). Earlier than that in a pregnancy, I think it's a sufficiently murky and gray area, and abortion very early, in my book, is 'okay,' for lack of a better word.
Also, my thoughts sometimes turn to the dads... it's the woman's body that is carrying the baby, but the baby is 50% dad's baby...so what happens if he wants the baby but the mom wants to terminate? It's such a tough subject. I wish we could just eliminate the need for abortions, as a PP said.


The law as it is now needs to be changed to determine a point where the baby is it's own entity. It is very barbaric and ignorant to think that just because its physically inside the woman that it is her property, I still can't believe this is the test of what is part of a person vs what is not, using this logic would a woman be able to take ownership of any being or item but consuming it? . I also feel it is unfair that a man has no say in whether a termination occurs or not.


Can anyone tell me when we legally require a living adult to submit their body for the needs of another living adult? Are there any instances where, for example, we would force someone to donate blood against their will? A liver? A kidney? Here's a hypothetical: I'm mugged, and in the course of being mugged, I am also stabbed. The mugger/stabber is apprehended. I need blood to survive, but oh noes! The only person whose blood is compatible with mine is the mugger/stabber, and he doesn't consent! Do our laws require that we strap his ass down and take his blood without his consent?

I'm not aware of any such legal requirement (and please correct me if I'm wrong). So why in the world would we require a woman to submit her body for the needs of a fetus? Why does a fetus have more rights than a living adult?
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:46     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To 9:20, I dont see this mandate as trying to humiliate anyone. I think the purpose is straight forward, to personify the embryo heartbeat. To yes discourage abortions but not make them illegal. Its ironic one would consider this procedure humiliating yet jthe person seeking the abortiorn is perfectly willing to allow a doctor to remove the developing child from the womens body. If one women decides to reconsider their decision to abort its a worthy precident. I have suspicion it will. I was there for my wifes ultrasounds and it was remarkable, anything but humiliating.


So basically, you are fine with forcing a woman to undero an invasive medical procedure that has NO medical value. Got it.


This
RantingAtheist
Post 02/17/2012 13:42     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ashamed to live in VA.

Pls move to MD. Better chances for my kids to get into the good state schools.


Competition is the least of your kids' problems - I'd be more converned about the apparent lack of intelligence in their gene pool.


ohhhhhhhh, soo funny. A lot of the native born northern Virginians are not happy with all the northerners that moved down here for jobs and lower costs of living while attempting to lib it up.


Don't forget adding a massive amount of free-market tax revenue to the existing VA tax base of "sucking on the government teat via military pork and ag subsidies."
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:41     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ashamed to live in VA.

Pls move to MD. Better chances for my kids to get into the good state schools.


Competition is the least of your kids' problems - I'd be more converned about the apparent lack of intelligence in their gene pool.

I'm less "converned" now. Bye bye.
RantingAtheist
Post 02/17/2012 13:41     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
Anonymous wrote:
RantingAtheist wrote:I think we need to pass legislation to force men to have a large zucchini shoved up their ass before they can be permitted to receive treatment for disorders of the prostate. This is not punishment, of course, simply "educational". Many men don't even know where their prostate is.


Does your prostate have a heart beat, a forming brain etc... if so you need to go to the hospital and win a prize because ITS A MIRACLE.


Whether a prostate has a heart beat or not is irrelevant. There are many studies linking poor diet to prostate cancer in men. This "Male Zuchini Anal-Insertion Awareness Act" is merely an educational effort that all men should welcome. Just as women can't be trusted to make informed decisions, and need to be compelled to understand their medical condition via vaginal ultrasound, society has a responsibility to our men that can only be dispatched by shoving a zucchini up their ass.

As in the case of VA's state-compelled rape law, it's only about making sure patients are not victimized by care providers who fail to properly inform them. Right? I mean, otherwise someone might misinterpret the law as an intrusion between a woman and her doctor by the same superstitious panty-sniffers who are trying to outlaw birth control.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:36     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I am ok with the day after pill (or week after pill, or whatever it is). I am ok with birth control. So if you make a mistake, or something unplanned happens, take the day after pill. But 2-3 months later I think its too late, sorry.


I consider myself a pretty liberal woman, and I've always wanted to be pro-choice, but I kind of agree with the above. I could never really fully feel comfortable with the fact that, although it is a woman's body, technically the baby growing inside is a separate entity, life, body, whatever you want to call it, and an abortion is ending a life. I want to be pro-choice, but I have always felt uneasy about sanctioning termination of a human life. I should clarify that I'm talking about after the growing baby has characteristics that, in my opinion, make it human (e.g., a developed and differentiated nervous system, beating heart, etc.). Earlier than that in a pregnancy, I think it's a sufficiently murky and gray area, and abortion very early, in my book, is 'okay,' for lack of a better word.
Also, my thoughts sometimes turn to the dads... it's the woman's body that is carrying the baby, but the baby is 50% dad's baby...so what happens if he wants the baby but the mom wants to terminate? It's such a tough subject. I wish we could just eliminate the need for abortions, as a PP said.


The law as it is now needs to be changed to determine a point where the baby is it's own entity. It is very barbaric and ignorant to think that just because its physically inside the woman that it is her property, I still can't believe this is the test of what is part of a person vs what is not, using this logic would a woman be able to take ownership of any being or item but consuming it? . I also feel it is unfair that a man has no say in whether a termination occurs or not.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:36     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
Anonymous wrote:To 9:20, I dont see this mandate as trying to humiliate anyone. I think the purpose is straight forward, to personify the embryo heartbeat. To yes discourage abortions but not make them illegal. Its ironic one would consider this procedure humiliating yet jthe person seeking the abortiorn is perfectly willing to allow a doctor to remove the developing child from the womens body. If one women decides to reconsider their decision to abort its a worthy precident. I have suspicion it will. I was there for my wifes ultrasounds and it was remarkable, anything but humiliating.


So basically, you are fine with forcing a woman to undero an invasive medical procedure that has NO medical value. Got it.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:32     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
Anonymous wrote:
I am ok with the day after pill (or week after pill, or whatever it is). I am ok with birth control. So if you make a mistake, or something unplanned happens, take the day after pill. But 2-3 months later I think its too late, sorry.


I consider myself a pretty liberal woman, and I've always wanted to be pro-choice, but I kind of agree with the above. I could never really fully feel comfortable with the fact that, although it is a woman's body, technically the baby growing inside is a separate entity, life, body, whatever you want to call it, and an abortion is ending a life. I want to be pro-choice, but I have always felt uneasy about sanctioning termination of a human life. I should clarify that I'm talking about after the growing baby has characteristics that, in my opinion, make it human (e.g., a developed and differentiated nervous system, beating heart, etc.). Earlier than that in a pregnancy, I think it's a sufficiently murky and gray area, and abortion very early, in my book, is 'okay,' for lack of a better word.
Also, my thoughts sometimes turn to the dads... it's the woman's body that is carrying the baby, but the baby is 50% dad's baby...so what happens if he wants the baby but the mom wants to terminate? It's such a tough subject. I wish we could just eliminate the need for abortions, as a PP said.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:31     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ashamed to live in VA.

Pls move to MD. Better chances for my kids to get into the good state schools.


Competition is the least of your kids' problems - I'd be more converned about the apparent lack of intelligence in their gene pool.


ohhhhhhhh, soo funny. A lot of the native born northern Virginians are not happy with all the northerners that moved down here for jobs and lower costs of living while attempting to lib it up.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:29     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ashamed to live in VA.

Pls move to MD. Better chances for my kids to get into the good state schools.


Competition is the least of your kids' problems - I'd be more converned about the apparent lack of intelligence in their gene pool.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2012 13:27     Subject: Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman
RantingAtheist wrote:I think we need to pass legislation to force men to have a large zucchini shoved up their ass before they can be permitted to receive treatment for disorders of the prostate. This is not punishment, of course, simply "educational". Many men don't even know where their prostate is.


Does your prostate have a heart beat, a forming brain etc... if so you need to go to the hospital and win a prize because ITS A MIRACLE.