Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 16:26     Subject: Deal Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Quick question. Why aren't parents working to develop their own schools? Why do they insist on the OOB system? This defeats the purpose and will always make for terrible schools in Wards 4, 5, 6 etc.


Let's see - maybe for the same reason Hardy ib parents don't want to send their kids there -- they want the school to be up to par before they get there.

Why doesn't the school system do something to make more schools better?

Let's see - their foolish idea that all that's needed to get scores up are highly paid, closely evaluated teachers isn't working.

Now what?
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 16:08     Subject: Deal Expansion
Note that it was someone other than a hardy ib family which made the "put up with" crack..
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 15:37     Subject: Deal Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a really confusing thread, all the arguments seem quite disjointed. So is the consensus that Palisades parents should send their kids to Hardy? If so will Hardy then stop accepting OOB to cut down on class size and allow for inbounds kids to have reasonable size classrooms? Or do they have to put up with OOB?


Yes, they do have to put up with OOB, just like every other school. If they want to draw a line around the Key and Mann borders in order to create a school that is wealthy, lily-white, and excludes everyone else, then they're not going to be able to do that on the taxpayer's dime.


So confused. If you look at voting data, the Key and Mann borders are and have been staunchly Democratic for ever. Are we saying that DC liberal democrats, in fact, harbor blatantly racist views? These areas are really just hotbeds of racisim.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 15:35     Subject: Deal Expansion
Quick question. Why aren't parents working to develop their own schools? Why do they insist on the OOB system? This defeats the purpose and will always make for terrible schools in Wards 4, 5, 6 etc.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 14:34     Subject: Deal Expansion
Anonymous wrote:No Hardy for our kids. My family is no different from the families with OOB kids at Eaton, Layfayette, etc.

We won't send our kids to our neighborhood school until the academics are on par with our outside options, such as Latin, other charters, or even schools that would require moving.


Hardy was making AYP until Pope left -- and more ib kids left. Check the scores for kids like yours and you'll see they are the same as deal and Latin and would be on par if your kids signed up for Hardy.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 14:13     Subject: Re:Deal Expansion
Anonymous wrote:I thought the controversy was put to rest, PP. Bob Hayes and the person in question have the same father, different mothers. She's not a fraud.


Where did you read that?
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 13:46     Subject: Deal Expansion
No Hardy for our kids. My family is no different from the families with OOB kids at Eaton, Layfayette, etc.

We won't send our kids to our neighborhood school until the academics are on par with our outside options, such as Latin, other charters, or even schools that would require moving.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 12:42     Subject: Deal Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Once again, the parents who pushed Rhee on Pope are out of the picture - their kids are in MS or HS elsewhere. One lesson from this mess is that perhaps it would have been better to look for a long-term solution rather than a short-term fix.

No need to punish the current IB parents of 4th and 5th graders. We didn't take the risk of moving Pope out because we were not at any secret meetings, or even allowed at the table in the discussions.


Current parents aren't being punished by anyone - they are simply living with the results with what some earlier parents did.

If they want to change the situation, they should do something -- like starting to enroll their kids in Hardy --- and not repeat the mistakes of the previous parents.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 12:16     Subject: Deal Expansion
Anonymous wrote:This is a really confusing thread, all the arguments seem quite disjointed. So is the consensus that Palisades parents should send their kids to Hardy? If so will Hardy then stop accepting OOB to cut down on class size and allow for inbounds kids to have reasonable size classrooms? Or do they have to put up with OOB?


Yes, they do have to put up with OOB, just like every other school. If they want to draw a line around the Key and Mann borders in order to create a school that is wealthy, lily-white, and excludes everyone else, then they're not going to be able to do that on the taxpayer's dime.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 12:09     Subject: Re:Deal Expansion
I thought the controversy was put to rest, PP. Bob Hayes and the person in question have the same father, different mothers. She's not a fraud.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 11:01     Subject: Deal Expansion
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I'm confused, Is Pope somehow getting implicated in what some wacko said at a meeting about a former Hardy student?

Does that fact that he is quoted making a totally benign statement about the former student at his graveside somehow taint him?


Read the posting again. Bob Hayes is not a former Hardy student. Pope's representative at that meeting was a women who is a fraud and an imposter. She masquerades as the sister of Bob Hayes, apparently falsified his will and other documents, and created something called the Bob Hayes Foundation to profit from his reputation.

Patrick Pope is cited as "Patrick Pope of the Bob Hayes Foundation." He is somehow tied up in this chicanery.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 10:29     Subject: Re:Deal Expansion
If IB kids at feeder schools used Hardy for 6th grade, it would reduce or eliminate OOB spaces for sixth grade. 7th and 8th graders wouldn't be affected and they could finish out their year or two at Hardy. The situation illustrates the need of solid middle schools with strong academic programs citywide.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 10:28     Subject: Deal Expansion
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a really confusing thread, all the arguments seem quite disjointed. So is the consensus that Palisades parents should send their kids to Hardy? If so will Hardy then stop accepting OOB to cut down on class size and allow for inbounds kids to have reasonable size classrooms? Or do they have to put up with OOB?


I don't think there is a consensus, but I support inbound families sending their kids to Hardy. I recognize that this could reduce slots for OOB students. What happens to those students is a somewhat separate discussion, and one that should necessarily include those families.


This fall, for the 2011-12 school year, no OOB students were admitted to Deal. If in bounds students start enrolling in Hardy in signficant numbers, (as started happening with Deal about years ago), the principal won't advertise any OOB slots in the lottery. No new OOB will be admitted. The current students will work their way through (it's only a 3 year school), and Palisades/ Key / Stoddert will have "their" school. With Deal, the sequence for reform was:

appoint strong principal (happened pre-Rhee)
renovate building
seek IB accredidation (idea of principal above)
have a strong school with quite a few OOB in lottery
have a strong school with no OOB in lottery

Hardy has the building. It now needs a strong principal. No one's saying much about the principal who started in 2011-12???? How is she?
jsteele
Post 10/03/2011 10:17     Subject: Deal Expansion
Anonymous wrote:This is a really confusing thread, all the arguments seem quite disjointed. So is the consensus that Palisades parents should send their kids to Hardy? If so will Hardy then stop accepting OOB to cut down on class size and allow for inbounds kids to have reasonable size classrooms? Or do they have to put up with OOB?


I don't think there is a consensus, but I support inbound families sending their kids to Hardy. I recognize that this could reduce slots for OOB students. What happens to those students is a somewhat separate discussion, and one that should necessarily include those families.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2011 10:13     Subject: Deal Expansion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Pope is gone. Why isn't Hardy viable? new principal, new school. Get 20 kids from Key and 20 kids from Mann, 40 from Stoddert. Then fewer OOB slots, the school can be yours in 2 to 3 years. Not a bad place in the meantime.


Its a 'first-mover' problem. Noone wants to be the first one to take a chance and risk the education (and perhaps safety, given the vitriol spewed toward IB parents in the post and elsewhere) of their child. There has to be an additional carrot to lure IB parents, like offering, well, IB.


Yet they didn't hesitate to take the risk of moving Pope out. Plus let's not forget the vitriol than IB parents focused on current Hardy parents and continue to [see above reference to safety].

Some peacemaking is needed and I don't know how it's going to happen.


Once again, the parents who pushed Rhee on Pope are out of the picture - their kids are in MS or HS elsewhere. One lesson from this mess is that perhaps it would have been better to look for a long-term solution rather than a short-term fix.

No need to punish the current IB parents of 4th and 5th graders. We didn't take the risk of moving Pope out because we were not at any secret meetings, or even allowed at the table in the discussions.