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Anonymous wrote:Bumping post up. Really want to know what everyone thinks! Does TT really provide a lot of marginal benefit if kids are tracking to top quartile of class academically?

It matters a TON, even at the better suburban schools. For example last year at Chatham NJ - a solid upper middle class town with good school system. It's often ranked in the top 10% of the state.
High property taxes but good schools is the trade off.

Last year class had about 300 graduates. Obviously not everyone is bound for 4 year college, but i think it's like 90%

1 matriculation into cornell, duke, princeton, yale, uChicago - that's it for the top schools. (they did have a vandy, ucla, berkley, georgetown, usc, unc)

so you have to grind hard as kid to get into a top school. and it's not like this is a piece of cake - the parents are professional and all aiming for the same schools.

if the goal is BC, Tuffs, Tulane, Indiana, Middlebury, NYU, Wake Forest - and those are good schools - then that's a different story - although still have to be in top 20% of the class.

College exmissions are MUCH harder in the burbs.

I don’t think it’s that much harder. You’re comparing apples to oranges. NYC TT schools are filled with hooked kids, Chatham PS is not. There’s no guarentee that you’re unhooked kid would have better results. I would be happy if my kid got into any of those colleges.

I don’t know why this argument is always made, as if ivy legacy parents or rich families only have kids in TTs. It’s just not true.

They are in a much higher concentration at NYC private schools. That’s why even the T2-T4 will have a higher floor than the publics. All private schools have vetting, which include transcripts, essays, interviews and test scores. People on here like to say that anyone can get into Dwight or Trevor but that’s not actually true. Public schools have to take anyone in the district so you have kids of differing abilities and means. Even in the richer districts there are going to be kids who can’t afford to apply early and need to go where they get the best aid. You’ll see more state schools and community colleges but the at doesn’t mean the kids aren’t smart. I have nephews that went to a very highly rated Bay Area public but ended up at CC after high school because they couldn’t afford to go straight to a UC. This kind of thing doesn’t usually happen at private schools.

I don’t know if all these suburban publics have honors program but a better comparison would be to see how the honors cohort does in exmissions vs private school kids. That is fairer comparison. My guess is it’s similar to non-TT private in places like Millburn and Chatham.

It absolutely isn't true -- even mid tier privates have way better matriculation than wealthy suburban schools, at least in the New York metro area. The other public schools that can offer anywhere near comparable results are public magnet/application schools.

Top 1/3 of Chatham is equivalent to Trevor in exmissions

So the top of one of NJs best public schools is equivalent to what has been described as 4T and 3T in other threads. That’s not the ringing endorsement you may think it is. Also it’s probably not even true.

Ringing endorsement for which side?

It’s just the facts from a quick look.

I think Chatham is a nice town and I think Trevor is a good school.

I would rather my kids go to Trevor over Chatham. Others choose Chatham.

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Anonymous wrote:Suburb hater is back. I forget if it is the same person as Trevor hater. Don't engage. Not even worth a conversation.

Love,
A native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools married to another native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools and pretty sure we are making much more than this childish clown and are also more cultured and definitely have a much higher EQ.

Is someone not allowed to have an opinion on the burbs? Sorry not as cultured as you Ivy League people so i say what I mean.

Are you that thin skinned?

And where did $$ come into play?

Love living rent free in your mediocre, hateful brain. Assuming you are the same poster who was badmouthing everything suburban. Sleep well.

Dp, something is wrong with you, you sound crazed.

NP: Two posts in a row pretending to be different people? Really?

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping post up. Really want to know what everyone thinks! Does TT really provide a lot of marginal benefit if kids are tracking to top quartile of class academically?

It matters a TON, even at the better suburban schools. For example last year at Chatham NJ - a solid upper middle class town with good school system. It's often ranked in the top 10% of the state.
High property taxes but good schools is the trade off.

Last year class had about 300 graduates. Obviously not everyone is bound for 4 year college, but i think it's like 90%

1 matriculation into cornell, duke, princeton, yale, uChicago - that's it for the top schools. (they did have a vandy, ucla, berkley, georgetown, usc, unc)

so you have to grind hard as kid to get into a top school. and it's not like this is a piece of cake - the parents are professional and all aiming for the same schools.

if the goal is BC, Tuffs, Tulane, Indiana, Middlebury, NYU, Wake Forest - and those are good schools - then that's a different story - although still have to be in top 20% of the class.

College exmissions are MUCH harder in the burbs.

So I'm a bit conflicted here. I believe Princeton High School has better exmissions. 20 went to Princeton this year but supposedly only 4 to 5 without family affiliation at the university. 4 to Penn including 2 Wharton, 6 to Cornell and 7 to other Ivies, Duke or UChicago. So call it 37 Ivy+ exmits. I've heard anecdotally that only about 50 to 60 kids in a class of 300 are really gunning for the top colleges. So in this way it felt that getting into a good college would be actually LESS competitive than at a TT. Would be super curious to hear what the PHS alumn posting here has to say.

you are nuts if you think only 60 kids from Princeton high school are shooting for top schools.

Princeton is a top school district.

It’s brutally competitive I have heard.

Are more than 15% to 20% of suburb kids doing 8+ APs in any given class? If so this feels like a much higher percentage than when I was in HS (albeit my public HS was absolutely terrible). In terms of competition Princeton itself is not as bad as West Windsor-Plainsboro (65% East and South Asian) or Montgomery.

Yes it is. Probably sixty to seventy percent of class at Princeton is going to be “honors” level, pretty much the same as West Windsor. West Windsor is just more Asian. Both schools are top 5 percent public schools, but are under resourced compared to NY privates. There will be good teachers and smart class mates but 30 kids in a class, and college matriculation is just not at the same level. You could do public until 8th and then do Princeton Day or Lawrenceville.

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Anonymous wrote:Suburb hater is back. I forget if it is the same person as Trevor hater. Don't engage. Not even worth a conversation.

Love,
A native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools married to another native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools and pretty sure we are making much more than this childish clown and are also more cultured and definitely have a much higher EQ.

Is someone not allowed to have an opinion on the burbs? Sorry not as cultured as you Ivy League people so i say what I mean.

Are you that thin skinned?

And where did $$ come into play?

Love living rent free in your mediocre, hateful brain. Assuming you are the same poster who was badmouthing everything suburban. Sleep well.

Dp, something is wrong with you, you sound crazed.

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping post up. Really want to know what everyone thinks! Does TT really provide a lot of marginal benefit if kids are tracking to top quartile of class academically?

It matters a TON, even at the better suburban schools. For example last year at Chatham NJ - a solid upper middle class town with good school system. It's often ranked in the top 10% of the state.
High property taxes but good schools is the trade off.

Last year class had about 300 graduates. Obviously not everyone is bound for 4 year college, but i think it's like 90%

1 matriculation into cornell, duke, princeton, yale, uChicago - that's it for the top schools. (they did have a vandy, ucla, berkley, georgetown, usc, unc)

so you have to grind hard as kid to get into a top school. and it's not like this is a piece of cake - the parents are professional and all aiming for the same schools.

if the goal is BC, Tuffs, Tulane, Indiana, Middlebury, NYU, Wake Forest - and those are good schools - then that's a different story - although still have to be in top 20% of the class.

College exmissions are MUCH harder in the burbs.

I don’t think it’s that much harder. You’re comparing apples to oranges. NYC TT schools are filled with hooked kids, Chatham PS is not. There’s no guarentee that you’re unhooked kid would have better results. I would be happy if my kid got into any of those colleges.

I don’t know why this argument is always made, as if ivy legacy parents or rich families only have kids in TTs. It’s just not true.

They are in a much higher concentration at NYC private schools. That’s why even the T2-T4 will have a higher floor than the publics. All private schools have vetting, which include transcripts, essays, interviews and test scores. People on here like to say that anyone can get into Dwight or Trevor but that’s not actually true. Public schools have to take anyone in the district so you have kids of differing abilities and means. Even in the richer districts there are going to be kids who can’t afford to apply early and need to go where they get the best aid. You’ll see more state schools and community colleges but the at doesn’t mean the kids aren’t smart. I have nephews that went to a very highly rated Bay Area public but ended up at CC after high school because they couldn’t afford to go straight to a UC. This kind of thing doesn’t usually happen at private schools.

I don’t know if all these suburban publics have honors program but a better comparison would be to see how the honors cohort does in exmissions vs private school kids. That is fairer comparison. My guess is it’s similar to non-TT private in places like Millburn and Chatham.

It absolutely isn't true -- even mid tier privates have way better matriculation than wealthy suburban schools, at least in the New York metro area. The other public schools that can offer anywhere near comparable results are public magnet/application schools.

Top 1/3 of Chatham is equivalent to Trevor in exmissions

So the top of one of NJs best public schools is equivalent to what has been described as 4T and 3T in other threads. That’s not the ringing endorsement you may think it is. Also it’s probably not even true.

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Anonymous wrote:Suburb hater is back. I forget if it is the same person as Trevor hater. Don't engage. Not even worth a conversation.

Love,
A native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools married to another native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools and pretty sure we are making much more than this childish clown and are also more cultured and definitely have a much higher EQ.

Is someone not allowed to have an opinion on the burbs? Sorry not as cultured as you Ivy League people so i say what I mean.

Are you that thin skinned?

And where did $$ come into play?

I sent my DS to a school ranked as 2T on this website. I considered sending him to a suburban public, but realized I ran the risk of him bragging about money and being “more cultured” to internet strangers who post reasonable criticisms of a particular lifestyle.

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Anonymous wrote:Suburb hater is back. I forget if it is the same person as Trevor hater. Don't engage. Not even worth a conversation.

Love,
A native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools married to another native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools and pretty sure we are making much more than this childish clown and are also more cultured and definitely have a much higher EQ.

Tbf, suburban public schools were sending a lot more kids to the Ivies three decades ago. Times change.

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Anonymous wrote:Suburb hater is back. I forget if it is the same person as Trevor hater. Don't engage. Not even worth a conversation.

Love,
A native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools married to another native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools and pretty sure we are making much more than this childish clown and are also more cultured and definitely have a much higher EQ.

Is someone not allowed to have an opinion on the burbs? Sorry not as cultured as you Ivy League people so i say what I mean.

Are you that thin skinned?

And where did $$ come into play?

Love living rent free in your mediocre, hateful brain. Assuming you are the same poster who was badmouthing everything suburban. Sleep well.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suburb hater is back. I forget if it is the same person as Trevor hater. Don't engage. Not even worth a conversation.

Love,
A native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools married to another native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools and pretty sure we are making much more than this childish clown and are also more cultured and definitely have a much higher EQ.

Is someone not allowed to have an opinion on the burbs? Sorry not as cultured as you Ivy League people so i say what I mean.

Are you that thin skinned?

And where did $$ come into play?

Love living rent free in your mediocre, hateful brain. Assuming you are the same poster who was badmouthing everything suburban. Sleep well.

Anonymous wrote:Suburb hater is back. I forget if it is the same person as Trevor hater. Don't engage. Not even worth a conversation.

Love,
A native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools married to another native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools and pretty sure we are making much more than this childish clown and are also more cultured and definitely have a much higher EQ.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suburb hater is back. I forget if it is the same person as Trevor hater. Don't engage. Not even worth a conversation.

Love,
A native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools married to another native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools and pretty sure we are making much more than this childish clown and are also more cultured and definitely have a much higher EQ.

Is someone not allowed to have an opinion on the burbs? Sorry not as cultured as you Ivy League people so i say what I mean.

Are you that thin skinned?

And where did $$ come into play?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suburb hater is back. I forget if it is the same person as Trevor hater. Don't engage. Not even worth a conversation.

Love,
A native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools married to another native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools and pretty sure we are making much more than this childish clown and are also more cultured and definitely have a much higher EQ.

Is someone not allowed to have an opinion on the burbs? Sorry not as cultured as you Ivy League people so i say what I mean.

Are you that thin skinned?

And where did $$ come into play?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bumping post up. Really want to know what everyone thinks! Does TT really provide a lot of marginal benefit if kids are tracking to top quartile of class academically?

It matters a TON, even at the better suburban schools. For example last year at Chatham NJ - a solid upper middle class town with good school system. It's often ranked in the top 10% of the state.
High property taxes but good schools is the trade off.

Last year class had about 300 graduates. Obviously not everyone is bound for 4 year college, but i think it's like 90%

1 matriculation into cornell, duke, princeton, yale, uChicago - that's it for the top schools. (they did have a vandy, ucla, berkley, georgetown, usc, unc)

so you have to grind hard as kid to get into a top school. and it's not like this is a piece of cake - the parents are professional and all aiming for the same schools.

if the goal is BC, Tuffs, Tulane, Indiana, Middlebury, NYU, Wake Forest - and those are good schools - then that's a different story - although still have to be in top 20% of the class.

College exmissions are MUCH harder in the burbs.

So I'm a bit conflicted here. I believe Princeton High School has better exmissions. 20 went to Princeton this year but supposedly only 4 to 5 without family affiliation at the university. 4 to Penn including 2 Wharton, 6 to Cornell and 7 to other Ivies, Duke or UChicago. So call it 37 Ivy+ exmits. I've heard anecdotally that only about 50 to 60 kids in a class of 300 are really gunning for the top colleges. So in this way it felt that getting into a good college would be actually LESS competitive than at a TT. Would be super curious to hear what the PHS alumn posting here has to say.

you are nuts if you think only 60 kids from Princeton high school are shooting for top schools.

Princeton is a top school district.

It’s brutally competitive I have heard.

Are more than 15% to 20% of suburb kids doing 8+ APs in any given class? If so this feels like a much higher percentage than when I was in HS (albeit my public HS was absolutely terrible). In terms of competition Princeton itself is not as bad as West Windsor-Plainsboro (65% East and South Asian) or Montgomery.

Anonymous wrote:Suburb hater is back. I forget if it is the same person as Trevor hater. Don't engage. Not even worth a conversation.

Love,
A native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools married to another native of a suburb who went to two Ivy schools and pretty sure we are making much more than this childish clown and are also more cultured and definitely have a much higher EQ.