Anonymous
Post 03/08/2026 08:34     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nothing against this meet because I assume other meets do this also, but why D E and F heats in finals? it is only 100 yrd & less events in this meet but why do D E and F heats? aren't A B and C enough?


For this meet (and not uncommon for others as well) D/E/F are for 16 and under swimmers only. To encourage development.


It is also because two meets were combined. JR/Sr which would attract younger teens to one and older/faster to the other. If they didn't do it then very few young kids would have the finals experience.

I think it’s more the opposite. Jr Champs gave finals opportunities to the older kids that aren’t as competitive. And besides, the fast younger kids already have plenty of finals experience by the time they’re at open champs.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2026 08:30     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
The meet is the swimsitting championship. It is for the family’s who subsidize the majority of each club’s payroll for the top. You need a forum to let these swimmers feel part of the team, feel part of group, and to justify that thousand of dollars and hours spent each year chasing the gold are really worth it.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2026 08:16     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Does anybody know if we can pay our way into the basketball courts below the spectator entrance level?
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2026 07:07     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Thank you!
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2026 06:32     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Our coach sent an email but it is also now posted on the meet website. Warmups begin at 8 and I guess the whole prelims timeline is pushed back and hour.

Anonymous wrote:Where did you hear this? We heard nothing from our coach
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2026 06:23     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Where did you hear this? We heard nothing from our coach
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2026 06:16     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Warmups delayed an hour because there was a power outage last night.
Anonymous wrote:Meet delayed?
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2026 06:00     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Meet delayed?
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2026 23:27     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is also because two meets were combined. JR/Sr which would attract younger teens to one and older/faster to the other. If they didn't do it then very few young kids would have the finals experience.


If you do not have finals experience by the time you are 15 then it may be time to find a new sport because high level swimming is not happening for you. What is the point of giving a “young kid” finals experience at the age of 15 if they are not going to need it at the big boy meets? They are never making those meets if they are just breaking through for the first time here. If they are the exception, then they will get more relevant finals experience at meets like the KLI or Metros where finals feel like finals, not a session fast swimmers scratch allowing 70th place finishers to swim at night

Harsh, but no lies detected. I remember one year at LC champs the last place swimmer from prelims got a chance to swim at night because they were at the young end of the age group and that just seemed ridiculous. Having the 70th place finisher make finals is unnecessary and dilutes the meet.
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2026 23:03     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Anonymous wrote:It is also because two meets were combined. JR/Sr which would attract younger teens to one and older/faster to the other. If they didn't do it then very few young kids would have the finals experience.


If you do not have finals experience by the time you are 15 then it may be time to find a new sport because high level swimming is not happening for you. What is the point of giving a “young kid” finals experience at the age of 15 if they are not going to need it at the big boy meets? They are never making those meets if they are just breaking through for the first time here. If they are the exception, then they will get more relevant finals experience at meets like the KLI or Metros where finals feel like finals, not a session fast swimmers scratch allowing 70th place finishers to swim at night
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2026 23:02     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nothing against this meet because I assume other meets do this also, but why D E and F heats in finals? it is only 100 yrd & less events in this meet but why do D E and F heats? aren't A B and C enough?


For this meet (and not uncommon for others as well) D/E/F are for 16 and under swimmers only. To encourage development.


It is also because two meets were combined. JR/Sr which would attract younger teens to one and older/faster to the other. If they didn't do it then very few young kids would have the finals experience.
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2026 21:08     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Anonymous wrote:The meet isn’t financially feasible with tougher cuts, is my guess. Nobody with Sectional or NCSA cut is gonna care about this meet. Most of the swimmers in my kid’s group are doing 2-3 events or skipping it altogether. So if you tighten up the cuts too much, you aren’t getting enough of the kids who really want to be there or who are hunting cuts.

Maybe the bonus events should go, but otherwise, this meet kinda is what it is going to be. I’m not sure there is a way to make this meaningful.

And most other LSCs don’t exist in areas where the high school season is so meaningful. The private school kids grinded through weeks of championship meets and are prepping for bigger meets. The public school kids are coming off state champs. None of these kids care about this meet and they are mentally and physically trying to recharge.


lol. At least in MD, public school state champs are a side show. Nobody gaf. And no private school kids "grinded" through anything. I guess metros was a grind with the weather and the crappy venue/timeline. Why don't they have this at UMD or Fairland?? Instead of in a shoebox? That place sucks. No space, no cell signal, zero degrees and blowing snow.

Obviously they make the event (this week) appealing and accessible enough to pay for it. Because they have to pay for it. Renting UMd so all of your 8 kids (apparently all ringer parents bloviate here) can battle in just an A final with no prelim will mean a high cost to you for Muffy and Blaise to claim their PV SC titles.
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2026 20:53     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nothing against this meet because I assume other meets do this also, but why D E and F heats in finals? it is only 100 yrd & less events in this meet but why do D E and F heats? aren't A B and C enough?


For this meet (and not uncommon for others as well) D/E/F are for 16 and under swimmers only. To encourage development.


It is also because two meets were combined. JR/Sr which would attract younger teens to one and older/faster to the other. If they didn't do it then very few young kids would have the finals experience.

This isn’t really true. There are plenty of 15-16 year olds making the A-C finals. Just scanning tonight’s men’s finals, about 1/3 of the top 24 in each event are 16 and under. For girls age matters even less at this point. Hell, there is going to be a core group of 13-14 year old girls at AG champs next week who could easily place top 24 at Open champs.
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2026 20:50     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nothing against this meet because I assume other meets do this also, but why D E and F heats in finals? it is only 100 yrd & less events in this meet but why do D E and F heats? aren't A B and C enough?


For this meet (and not uncommon for others as well) D/E/F are for 16 and under swimmers only. To encourage development.


It is also because two meets were combined. JR/Sr which would attract younger teens to one and older/faster to the other. If they didn't do it then very few young kids would have the finals experience.


Thanks forgot two meets were combined
Anonymous
Post 03/07/2026 20:41     Subject: Psych Sheet out for PVS Open Champs
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nothing against this meet because I assume other meets do this also, but why D E and F heats in finals? it is only 100 yrd & less events in this meet but why do D E and F heats? aren't A B and C enough?


For this meet (and not uncommon for others as well) D/E/F are for 16 and under swimmers only. To encourage development.


Thanks makes sense, so A B and C must be mostly 17+ yr olds


For the boys, yeah, mostly. For the girls, there are as many 15/16 girls as 17/18 in A/B/C. One F final had a swimmer who was 70th place in the morning, which seems like too much.