Anonymous wrote:All,
I think others have alluded to the bigger risk. If this new national sports team model is successful for football, then one has to think they will extend it to baseball, basketball, LAX, hockey etc al.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain how the recruitment works? Does SJC give a lot of aid or only to top athletes that truly need it?
My kid is a football recruit and we did not apply for aid because we will not qualify. We only know three other recruits personally, and I know they would also not qualify for aid. At no time has anyone suggested there is other aid or scholarships for recruits. I hope and expect aid is there only for families who need it.
The aid is obviously for star athletes whether they need it or not.
Note: a star athlete is actively recruited by multiple schools, so the aid (read: full ride) is offered as a carrot.
And it gets better:
Does your school have a star athlete from another country or out of state?
If so, those kids sometimes live with a host family whose own kid gets a tuition discount or full ride. I know two area privates that have done this/are currently doing this.
And your full tuition covers this.
(Not that you’ll answer this, but) which two schools?
I mean, everyone can probably guess the two—but the reality is most schools known for sports does this.
I know boys who were aggressively recruited. All the usual suspect schools threw money at them despite the fact that the families were objectively affluent.
I also know of an athlete from another state currently attending an area private. Full ride for the athlete, and free tuition for the family hosting him.
And I know another family at a different school that hosted an international student athlete. Same deal: free ride for the athlete and the host family’s student.
As a full-pay family, I cannot for the life of me understand why athletics are prioritized to the extent they are. They must bring in significant money for the schools, but I can’t understand how exactly.
Maybe this will help you understand.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/under-armour-founder-gives-16m-to-dc-hs-alma-mater/109734/?amp=1
Kevin would have given SJC millions regardless of whether the football team was playing well. After all, SJC took him in when he was kicked out of Gtown Prep.
He similarly gave $ to HR (where he attended k-8), and HR has never been a sports powerhouse.
Lots of alums who get lucky and strike it rich make gifts to their former schools, but that doesn’t explain why schools over-emphasize certain athletic programs by giving free rides to athletes who otherwise wouldn’t set foot in the school.
There is a high school less than an hour away from SJC that is heavily sponsored by UA, plays their home games at UA stadium, just won a “national championship” broadcasted on espn 2 wearing UA jerseys. The same team that frequently publicly makes fun of SJC for being afraid of scheduling them.
I don’t think any of this is fully a coincidence. I think UA is invested in the growth of SJC football both as a matter of business and ego as sportswear continues to drive the corporatization of high school sports and NIL investments continues grow at this level.
You can like it or not but the reality is this is the direction many of the WCAC “money sports” might be headed in the near future
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All,
This is a brand new idea…so it’s safe to say that whatever SJC promoted in the arts or STEM or whatever won’t be impacted immediately.
I think others have alluded to the bigger risk. If this new national sports team model is successful for football, then one has to think they will extend it to baseball, basketball, LAX, hockey etc al.
So that means an additional 200 student slots will be taken by athletes…which mean there are 200 fewer students that want to do arts or robotics or whatever non-sport ECs.
I have to believe they are doing this because they are losing top athletes to sports-focused academies like St James, IMG et al…and new ones seem to be popping up every day.
The AOL founder went to St. John’s and has donate a lot of money for STEM so no, STEM is not going away.
200 athletes is some insane madd up number
Relax mom and m sorry if your just bitter your child didn’t get in but they will be fine.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All,
This is a brand new idea…so it’s safe to say that whatever SJC promoted in the arts or STEM or whatever won’t be impacted immediately.
I think others have alluded to the bigger risk. If this new national sports team model is successful for football, then one has to think they will extend it to baseball, basketball, LAX, hockey etc al.
So that means an additional 200 student slots will be taken by athletes…which mean there are 200 fewer students that want to do arts or robotics or whatever non-sport ECs.
I have to believe they are doing this because they are losing top athletes to sports-focused academies like St James, IMG et al…and new ones seem to be popping up every day.
The AOL founder went to St. John’s and has donate a lot of money for STEM so no, STEM is not going away.
200 athletes is some insane madd up number
Relax mom and m sorry if your just bitter your child didn’t get in but they will be fine.
Anonymous wrote:All,
This is a brand new idea…so it’s safe to say that whatever SJC promoted in the arts or STEM or whatever won’t be impacted immediately.
I think others have alluded to the bigger risk. If this new national sports team model is successful for football, then one has to think they will extend it to baseball, basketball, LAX, hockey etc al.
So that means an additional 200 student slots will be taken by athletes…which mean there are 200 fewer students that want to do arts or robotics or whatever non-sport ECs.
I have to believe they are doing this because they are losing top athletes to sports-focused academies like St James, IMG et al…and new ones seem to be popping up every day.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain how the recruitment works? Does SJC give a lot of aid or only to top athletes that truly need it?
My kid is a football recruit and we did not apply for aid because we will not qualify. We only know three other recruits personally, and I know they would also not qualify for aid. At no time has anyone suggested there is other aid or scholarships for recruits. I hope and expect aid is there only for families who need it.
The aid is obviously for star athletes whether they need it or not.
Note: a star athlete is actively recruited by multiple schools, so the aid (read: full ride) is offered as a carrot.
And it gets better:
Does your school have a star athlete from another country or out of state?
If so, those kids sometimes live with a host family whose own kid gets a tuition discount or full ride. I know two area privates that have done this/are currently doing this.
And your full tuition covers this.
(Not that you’ll answer this, but) which two schools?
I mean, everyone can probably guess the two—but the reality is most schools known for sports does this.
I know boys who were aggressively recruited. All the usual suspect schools threw money at them despite the fact that the families were objectively affluent.
I also know of an athlete from another state currently attending an area private. Full ride for the athlete, and free tuition for the family hosting him.
And I know another family at a different school that hosted an international student athlete. Same deal: free ride for the athlete and the host family’s student.
As a full-pay family, I cannot for the life of me understand why athletics are prioritized to the extent they are. They must bring in significant money for the schools, but I can’t understand how exactly.
Maybe this will help you understand.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/under-armour-founder-gives-16m-to-dc-hs-alma-mater/109734/?amp=1
Kevin would have given SJC millions regardless of whether the football team was playing well. After all, SJC took him in when he was kicked out of Gtown Prep.
He similarly gave $ to HR (where he attended k-8), and HR has never been a sports powerhouse.
Lots of alums who get lucky and strike it rich make gifts to their former schools, but that doesn’t explain why schools over-emphasize certain athletic programs by giving free rides to athletes who otherwise wouldn’t set foot in the school.
Certain events with strong programs draw prospective families to campuses. Football games attract thousands every week during the fall. A strong theater program can also be simarly impactful. It helps showcase the beauty of your campus and might generate further curiosity into your academic and other programs.
It can also help with media attention- look at what PVI basketball is doing for a school that many hadn't heard of before.
Isn't SJC already attracting applicants?
Yes.
They had something ridiculous like 1,500 applicants for 350 seats.
They certainly don’t need a good football team to attract applicants.
To maintain it and shape the class the way that you want, yes you do.
Then how come Sidwell, GDS, etc. don’t need a good football team? Or even Prep or Gonzaga?
Gonzaga has a great football team, so this makes no sense.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s telling that most of the kids in the Benilde program (academic support) are athletes. In fact, many of the coaches are tutors in this program. My daughter is an athlete at the school and reports that those recruited for varsity scholarships as freshman had HSPT scores in the 30% range - way below the norm!
This is interesting. My non-athletic kid applied to Benilde and I was hoping it wasn’t a program with just athletes.
Wow. Please don’t believe everything you read here. Ask current parents at the school first. Benilde does not exist as a crutch for athletes and is not simply “academic support.” Whoever wrote this knows nothing about the Benilde Program or its students.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain how the recruitment works? Does SJC give a lot of aid or only to top athletes that truly need it?
My kid is a football recruit and we did not apply for aid because we will not qualify. We only know three other recruits personally, and I know they would also not qualify for aid. At no time has anyone suggested there is other aid or scholarships for recruits. I hope and expect aid is there only for families who need it.
The aid is obviously for star athletes whether they need it or not.
Note: a star athlete is actively recruited by multiple schools, so the aid (read: full ride) is offered as a carrot.
And it gets better:
Does your school have a star athlete from another country or out of state?
If so, those kids sometimes live with a host family whose own kid gets a tuition discount or full ride. I know two area privates that have done this/are currently doing this.
And your full tuition covers this.
(Not that you’ll answer this, but) which two schools?
I mean, everyone can probably guess the two—but the reality is most schools known for sports does this.
I know boys who were aggressively recruited. All the usual suspect schools threw money at them despite the fact that the families were objectively affluent.
I also know of an athlete from another state currently attending an area private. Full ride for the athlete, and free tuition for the family hosting him.
And I know another family at a different school that hosted an international student athlete. Same deal: free ride for the athlete and the host family’s student.
As a full-pay family, I cannot for the life of me understand why athletics are prioritized to the extent they are. They must bring in significant money for the schools, but I can’t understand how exactly.
Maybe this will help you understand.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/under-armour-founder-gives-16m-to-dc-hs-alma-mater/109734/?amp=1
Kevin would have given SJC millions regardless of whether the football team was playing well. After all, SJC took him in when he was kicked out of Gtown Prep.
He similarly gave $ to HR (where he attended k-8), and HR has never been a sports powerhouse.
Lots of alums who get lucky and strike it rich make gifts to their former schools, but that doesn’t explain why schools over-emphasize certain athletic programs by giving free rides to athletes who otherwise wouldn’t set foot in the school.
Certain events with strong programs draw prospective families to campuses. Football games attract thousands every week during the fall. A strong theater program can also be simarly impactful. It helps showcase the beauty of your campus and might generate further curiosity into your academic and other programs.
It can also help with media attention- look at what PVI basketball is doing for a school that many hadn't heard of before.
Isn't SJC already attracting applicants?
Yes.
They had something ridiculous like 1,500 applicants for 350 seats.
They certainly don’t need a good football team to attract applicants.
To maintain it and shape the class the way that you want, yes you do.
Then how come Sidwell, GDS, etc. don’t need a good football team? Or even Prep or Gonzaga?
The prep and Gonzaga dads are about to come at you… AT YOU… for saying they don’t have a good football program.
Sidwell and GDS will never have a good football program… so why try
The reality is our area needs good football programs, it needs good basketball programs, it needs good science program programs, it needs good theater program programs… y’all mad because they have good programs?
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!
Why "TF" are you equating sports and academics? It's a school, not the NFL.
Students who go to SJC can play football. Unless, of course, they recruit super hard for football such that only the new recruits can play.
Sigh.
When they aggressively recruit kids who aren’t catholic and aren’t equipped to handle the academics from far-flung public schools to play football or basketball and give them a full scholarship for sports then that begs the question “why”.
I assume the school somehow benefits financially despite subsidizing tuition. And I suppose that answers the OP’s question.
I mean, SJC imported a basketball player from another country a number of years ago. Why? It’s weird, right?
Bullis, GC, and even GP recruiter and subsidize star athletes.
Apparently sports matter, so maybe SJC will go national.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain how the recruitment works? Does SJC give a lot of aid or only to top athletes that truly need it?
My kid is a football recruit and we did not apply for aid because we will not qualify. We only know three other recruits personally, and I know they would also not qualify for aid. At no time has anyone suggested there is other aid or scholarships for recruits. I hope and expect aid is there only for families who need it.
The aid is obviously for star athletes whether they need it or not.
Note: a star athlete is actively recruited by multiple schools, so the aid (read: full ride) is offered as a carrot.
And it gets better:
Does your school have a star athlete from another country or out of state?
If so, those kids sometimes live with a host family whose own kid gets a tuition discount or full ride. I know two area privates that have done this/are currently doing this.
And your full tuition covers this.
(Not that you’ll answer this, but) which two schools?
I mean, everyone can probably guess the two—but the reality is most schools known for sports does this.
I know boys who were aggressively recruited. All the usual suspect schools threw money at them despite the fact that the families were objectively affluent.
I also know of an athlete from another state currently attending an area private. Full ride for the athlete, and free tuition for the family hosting him.
And I know another family at a different school that hosted an international student athlete. Same deal: free ride for the athlete and the host family’s student.
As a full-pay family, I cannot for the life of me understand why athletics are prioritized to the extent they are. They must bring in significant money for the schools, but I can’t understand how exactly.
Maybe this will help you understand.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/under-armour-founder-gives-16m-to-dc-hs-alma-mater/109734/?amp=1
Kevin would have given SJC millions regardless of whether the football team was playing well. After all, SJC took him in when he was kicked out of Gtown Prep.
He similarly gave $ to HR (where he attended k-8), and HR has never been a sports powerhouse.
Lots of alums who get lucky and strike it rich make gifts to their former schools, but that doesn’t explain why schools over-emphasize certain athletic programs by giving free rides to athletes who otherwise wouldn’t set foot in the school.
Certain events with strong programs draw prospective families to campuses. Football games attract thousands every week during the fall. A strong theater program can also be simarly impactful. It helps showcase the beauty of your campus and might generate further curiosity into your academic and other programs.
It can also help with media attention- look at what PVI basketball is doing for a school that many hadn't heard of before.
Isn't SJC already attracting applicants?
Yes.
They had something ridiculous like 1,500 applicants for 350 seats.
They certainly don’t need a good football team to attract applicants.
To maintain it and shape the class the way that you want, yes you do.
Then how come Sidwell, GDS, etc. don’t need a good football team? Or even Prep or Gonzaga?
The prep and Gonzaga dads are about to come at you… AT YOU… for saying they don’t have a good football program.
Sidwell and GDS will never have a good football program… so why try
The reality is our area needs good football programs, it needs good basketball programs, it needs good science program programs, it needs good theater program programs… y’all mad because they have good programs?
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!
Why "TF" are you equating sports and academics? It's a school, not the NFL.
Students who go to SJC can play football. Unless, of course, they recruit super hard for football such that only the new recruits can play.
Anonymous wrote:All,
This is a brand new idea…so it’s safe to say that whatever SJC promoted in the arts or STEM or whatever won’t be impacted immediately.
I think others have alluded to the bigger risk. If this new national sports team model is successful for football, then one has to think they will extend it to baseball, basketball, LAX, hockey etc al.
So that means an additional 200 student slots will be taken by athletes…which mean there are 200 fewer students that want to do arts or robotics or whatever non-sport ECs.
I have to believe they are doing this because they are losing top athletes to sports-focused academies like St James, IMG et al…and new ones seem to be popping up every day.
Anonymous wrote:Is there a separate place in the cafeteria for varsity athletes? Someone told me this and it was unclear on our tour.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain how the recruitment works? Does SJC give a lot of aid or only to top athletes that truly need it?
My kid is a football recruit and we did not apply for aid because we will not qualify. We only know three other recruits personally, and I know they would also not qualify for aid. At no time has anyone suggested there is other aid or scholarships for recruits. I hope and expect aid is there only for families who need it.
The aid is obviously for star athletes whether they need it or not.
Note: a star athlete is actively recruited by multiple schools, so the aid (read: full ride) is offered as a carrot.
And it gets better:
Does your school have a star athlete from another country or out of state?
If so, those kids sometimes live with a host family whose own kid gets a tuition discount or full ride. I know two area privates that have done this/are currently doing this.
And your full tuition covers this.
(Not that you’ll answer this, but) which two schools?
I mean, everyone can probably guess the two—but the reality is most schools known for sports does this.
I know boys who were aggressively recruited. All the usual suspect schools threw money at them despite the fact that the families were objectively affluent.
I also know of an athlete from another state currently attending an area private. Full ride for the athlete, and free tuition for the family hosting him.
And I know another family at a different school that hosted an international student athlete. Same deal: free ride for the athlete and the host family’s student.
As a full-pay family, I cannot for the life of me understand why athletics are prioritized to the extent they are. They must bring in significant money for the schools, but I can’t understand how exactly.
Maybe this will help you understand.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/under-armour-founder-gives-16m-to-dc-hs-alma-mater/109734/?amp=1
Kevin would have given SJC millions regardless of whether the football team was playing well. After all, SJC took him in when he was kicked out of Gtown Prep.
He similarly gave $ to HR (where he attended k-8), and HR has never been a sports powerhouse.
Lots of alums who get lucky and strike it rich make gifts to their former schools, but that doesn’t explain why schools over-emphasize certain athletic programs by giving free rides to athletes who otherwise wouldn’t set foot in the school.
Certain events with strong programs draw prospective families to campuses. Football games attract thousands every week during the fall. A strong theater program can also be simarly impactful. It helps showcase the beauty of your campus and might generate further curiosity into your academic and other programs.
It can also help with media attention- look at what PVI basketball is doing for a school that many hadn't heard of before.
Isn't SJC already attracting applicants?
Yes.
They had something ridiculous like 1,500 applicants for 350 seats.
They certainly don’t need a good football team to attract applicants.
To maintain it and shape the class the way that you want, yes you do.
Then how come Sidwell, GDS, etc. don’t need a good football team? Or even Prep or Gonzaga?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain how the recruitment works? Does SJC give a lot of aid or only to top athletes that truly need it?
My kid is a football recruit and we did not apply for aid because we will not qualify. We only know three other recruits personally, and I know they would also not qualify for aid. At no time has anyone suggested there is other aid or scholarships for recruits. I hope and expect aid is there only for families who need it.
The aid is obviously for star athletes whether they need it or not.
Note: a star athlete is actively recruited by multiple schools, so the aid (read: full ride) is offered as a carrot.
And it gets better:
Does your school have a star athlete from another country or out of state?
If so, those kids sometimes live with a host family whose own kid gets a tuition discount or full ride. I know two area privates that have done this/are currently doing this.
And your full tuition covers this.
(Not that you’ll answer this, but) which two schools?
I mean, everyone can probably guess the two—but the reality is most schools known for sports does this.
I know boys who were aggressively recruited. All the usual suspect schools threw money at them despite the fact that the families were objectively affluent.
I also know of an athlete from another state currently attending an area private. Full ride for the athlete, and free tuition for the family hosting him.
And I know another family at a different school that hosted an international student athlete. Same deal: free ride for the athlete and the host family’s student.
As a full-pay family, I cannot for the life of me understand why athletics are prioritized to the extent they are. They must bring in significant money for the schools, but I can’t understand how exactly.
Maybe this will help you understand.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/under-armour-founder-gives-16m-to-dc-hs-alma-mater/109734/?amp=1
Kevin would have given SJC millions regardless of whether the football team was playing well. After all, SJC took him in when he was kicked out of Gtown Prep.
He similarly gave $ to HR (where he attended k-8), and HR has never been a sports powerhouse.
Lots of alums who get lucky and strike it rich make gifts to their former schools, but that doesn’t explain why schools over-emphasize certain athletic programs by giving free rides to athletes who otherwise wouldn’t set foot in the school.
Certain events with strong programs draw prospective families to campuses. Football games attract thousands every week during the fall. A strong theater program can also be simarly impactful. It helps showcase the beauty of your campus and might generate further curiosity into your academic and other programs.
It can also help with media attention- look at what PVI basketball is doing for a school that many hadn't heard of before.
Isn't SJC already attracting applicants?
Yes.
They had something ridiculous like 1,500 applicants for 350 seats.
They certainly don’t need a good football team to attract applicants.
To maintain it and shape the class the way that you want, yes you do.
Then how come Sidwell, GDS, etc. don’t need a good football team? Or even Prep or Gonzaga?
The prep and Gonzaga dads are about to come at you… AT YOU… for saying they don’t have a good football program.
Sidwell and GDS will never have a good football program… so why try
The reality is our area needs good football programs, it needs good basketball programs, it needs good science program programs, it needs good theater program programs… y’all mad because they have good programs?
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!
Why "TF" are you equating sports and academics? It's a school, not the NFL.
Students who go to SJC can play football. Unless, of course, they recruit super hard for football such that only the new recruits can play.
Sigh.
When they aggressively recruit kids who aren’t catholic and aren’t equipped to handle the academics from far-flung public schools to play football or basketball and give them a full scholarship for sports then that begs the question “why”.
I assume the school somehow benefits financially despite subsidizing tuition. And I suppose that answers the OP’s question.
I mean, SJC imported a basketball player from another country a number of years ago. Why? It’s weird, right?
Bullis, GC, and even GP recruiter and subsidize star athletes.
Apparently sports matter, so maybe SJC will go national.
Fun fact. A few years ago, SJC expelled a star football player who didnt maintain the school’s minimum GPA. The player left SJC and went to IMG.
The school’s minimum gpa or the minimum gpa for superstar athletes?
I know this one (went to IMG) and another 2 years younger. Both couldn't meet SJC's minimum GPA. Both local kids and both now playing at top level teams in college. One was a 5 star recruit just to tell you the type of talent he has. SJC still wouldn't keep him around.