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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

That was me (OP). I didn’t mean to sock puppet.

My original question was about what specific nutrients are hard to get and should be watched. One or more posters is saying it’s not just hard, it’s “impossible” and now that the nutrients that make it impossible are ones that adults don’t need. But they don’t name these mystery nutrients. I hope they come back and clarify.

They won’t, because it’s ridiculous. They might go on about fats, which an avocado or olive oil will address, or a tbsp of ground flax seed.
You are patient to put up with this.

You can't be serious.

Even adult men and women require different nutrients in different configurations, and have very different caloric needs.

An adult male and a female child entering puberty do not have the same nutritional needs.

My goodness.

Adult men and women don't need different nutrients. They require different amounts of certain nutrients, but they need the same nutrients. The same is true of children vs. adults. The same foods are healthy for children and adults, although the balance of how many servings of each may be different.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

Boys require an average of 2,800 calories per day.
Girls require an average of 2,200 calories per day.


https://www.healthcouncilcanada.ca/male-vs-female-nutrition-the-scientific-truth-behind-different-dietary-needs/

"... Males typically require more calories and protein due to their higher muscle mass and testosterone levels, while females need higher amounts of specific nutrients like iron and calcium to support reproductive health and bone density. These aren’t just minor variations – they’re fundamental differences that can significantly impact health outcomes when not properly addressed..."



"...Hormonal Influences
Sex hormones play a crucial role in how our bodies process and utilize nutrients. Testosterone, predominantly found in males, promotes muscle growth and bone density, increasing protein requirements and the need for minerals like calcium and zinc. This hormone also influences metabolism, typically resulting in higher caloric needs for men compared to women of similar size and activity level.

Estrogen, the primary female hormone, affects how the body stores and uses fat, and influences hormonal balance and nutrient absorption. Women generally require more iron than men due to menstruation, and estrogen’s protective effects on bone health change throughout life, particularly during menopause when calcium needs increase.

These hormonal differences mean that men often benefit from higher protein intake to support muscle maintenance, while women may need to focus more on iron-rich foods and calcium sources. Both hormones also affect energy metabolism, which explains why men and women might respond differently to various diets and nutritional strategies.

Body Composition Differences
Males and females have distinct body composition differences that significantly influence their nutritional requirements. Men typically have a higher percentage of lean muscle mass, which affects their daily caloric needs and protein requirements for muscle mass maintenance. Women, on the other hand, naturally carry more body fat, which is essential for reproductive health and hormone regulation.

Bone density also varies between genders, with men generally having denser, larger bones. This difference means women often need higher calcium and vitamin D intake to maintain bone health, especially after menopause. The distribution of body fat differs as well, with women typically storing more fat in their hips and thighs, while men tend to accumulate it in their midsection.

These physiological differences affect metabolism rates and energy requirements. Men generally need more calories and protein to maintain their larger muscle mass, while women may require more iron and specific nutrients related to reproductive health. Understanding these differences is crucial for developing appropriate nutrition plans that support optimal health for both genders.

Key Nutrients: Gender-Specific Requirements

Iron Requirements

Iron requirements differ significantly between males and females, primarily due to biological factors. Women generally need more iron than men because of blood loss during menstruation. While adult men require approximately 8 mg of iron daily, women between 19-50 years need about 18 mg per day – more than twice the amount.

The way our bodies absorb and process iron also varies between genders. Women tend to absorb iron more efficiently than men, which is nature’s way of compensating for their higher needs. However, this doesn’t always guarantee adequate iron levels, especially during reproductive years.

For men, the body’s iron requirements remain relatively stable throughout adulthood. Their bodies typically maintain iron stores more effectively since they don’t experience monthly blood loss. However, both men and women who engage in intense physical activity may need additional iron to support oxygen transport and muscle function.

Good dietary sources of iron include lean meats, fish, legumes, and fortified cereals. Plant-based iron sources are better absorbed when consumed with vitamin C-rich foods. Regular blood tests can help monitor iron levels and ensure both men and women meet their specific requirements.

men’s and women’s bodies, particularly during reproductive years. Women typically need more B9 (folate) than men, especially during pregnancy and childbearing years, to prevent birth defects and support cell growth. Men, on the other hand, require slightly higher amounts of B12 and B6 to support muscle development and energy metabolism.

Iron requirements also vary significantly between genders. Women need about 18mg daily during their reproductive years due to blood loss through menstruation, while men only need 8mg. After menopause, women’s iron needs decrease to match men’s requirements.

Calcium needs are generally similar for both genders until later in life. Women need more calcium after menopause to prevent bone loss, while men’s requirements remain relatively stable. Both genders should ensure adequate vitamin D intake to support calcium absorption.

Zinc requirements are higher for men (11mg daily) compared to women (8mg daily), as it plays a crucial role in testosterone production and sperm health. However, both genders need sufficient zinc for immune function and wound healing.

These differences highlight the importance of gender-specific nutrition planning to ensure optimal health and well-being..."


Differences between women and men from puberty through middle ages:

"...Men’s nutritional needs evolve significantly throughout their lives, requiring different approaches at each stage. During adolescence and early adulthood (ages 13-25), males need increased protein and calories to support rapid growth, muscle development, and higher metabolism. Iron requirements are also elevated during this period of intense physical development.

In their prime adult years (26-45), men should focus on maintaining muscle mass while preventing weight gain. This typically means moderating calorie intake while ensuring adequate protein consumption and increasing fiber intake to support heart health. Antioxidants become increasingly important to protect against cellular damage.

Middle-aged men (46-65) often experience metabolic changes that require dietary adjustments. Calorie needs generally decrease, but the importance of nutrient-dense foods increases. Special attention should be paid to heart-healthy fats, fiber, and foods rich in vitamins D and B12...."



https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4266867/

"... Nutrition is one of the most important factors affecting pubertal development. Puberty entails a progressive nonlinear process starting from prepubescent to full sexual maturity through the interaction and cooperation of biological, physical, and psychological changes. Consuming an adequate and balanced healthy diet during all phases of growth (infancy, childhood and puberty) appears necessary both for proper growth and normal pubertal development. Girls begin puberty at an earlier age compared to past decades. Excessive eating of many processed, high-fat foods, may be the cause of this phenomenon. Overweight or obese children are more likely to enter puberty early. Some evidence suggests that obesity can accelerate the onset of puberty in girls and may delay the onset of puberty in boys. Moreover, the progression of puberty is affected by nutrition. On the other hand, puberty triggers a growth spurt, which increases nutritional needs including macro and micronutrients. Increased caloric, protein, iron, calcium, zinc and folate needs have to be provided during this critical period of rapid growth. Severe primary or secondary malnutrition also can delay the onset and progression of puberty. The higher incidence of anorexia nervosa and bulimia in adolescents imposes a nutritional risk on pubertal development. Moreover, many environmental endocrine disruptors (EDs) have been identified that can significantly impair the normal course of puberty. This mini-review sums up some important findings in this important complex that link nutrition and pubertal development...."

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

You cannot be asking that question with a straight face.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

That was me (OP). I didn’t mean to sock puppet.

My original question was about what specific nutrients are hard to get and should be watched. One or more posters is saying it’s not just hard, it’s “impossible” and now that the nutrients that make it impossible are ones that adults don’t need. But they don’t name these mystery nutrients. I hope they come back and clarify.

They won’t, because it’s ridiculous. They might go on about fats, which an avocado or olive oil will address, or a tbsp of ground flax seed.
You are patient to put up with this.

You can't be serious.

Even adult men and women require different nutrients in different configurations, and have very different caloric needs.

An adult male and a female child entering puberty do not have the same nutritional needs.

My goodness.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

That was me (OP). I didn’t mean to sock puppet.

My original question was about what specific nutrients are hard to get and should be watched. One or more posters is saying it’s not just hard, it’s “impossible” and now that the nutrients that make it impossible are ones that adults don’t need. But they don’t name these mystery nutrients. I hope they come back and clarify.

They won’t, because it’s ridiculous. They might go on about fats, which an avocado or olive oil will address, or a tbsp of ground flax seed.
You are patient to put up with this.

OP, I don't really understand the concern about the quality of fats that vegans eat.

Here are some fat sources in the food she she eats

Avocado
Olives
Seeds and nuts (both straight as snacks, and incorporated into various dishes)
Tahini
Tofu, tempeh, and edamame
Olive and avocado oils in cooking
Plant based butter substitute (the one I have in my kitchen right now uses canola, coconut, and sunflower oils as it's fat source)
Oil that is added to non-dairy milk and yogurt (she likes ripple milk and oatmilk skyr, both of which have added fat that comes from safflower or coconut oil)

Does she also eat unhealthy fats? Yes. But mostly in things that she ate before she became vegan. Chips, candy, or commercial baked goods. If anything, she eats less of those things as a vegan since sometimes the only option is something with dairy or eggs, and so she turns it down.

A lot of candy is not vegan, fyi.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

That was me (OP). I didn’t mean to sock puppet.

My original question was about what specific nutrients are hard to get and should be watched. One or more posters is saying it’s not just hard, it’s “impossible” and now that the nutrients that make it impossible are ones that adults don’t need. But they don’t name these mystery nutrients. I hope they come back and clarify.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

That was me (OP). I didn’t mean to sock puppet.

My original question was about what specific nutrients are hard to get and should be watched. One or more posters is saying it’s not just hard, it’s “impossible” and now that the nutrients that make it impossible are ones that adults don’t need. But they don’t name these mystery nutrients. I hope they come back and clarify.

They won’t, because it’s ridiculous. They might go on about fats, which an avocado or olive oil will address, or a tbsp of ground flax seed.
You are patient to put up with this.

OP, I don't really understand the concern about the quality of fats that vegans eat.

Here are some fat sources in the food she she eats

Avocado
Olives
Seeds and nuts (both straight as snacks, and incorporated into various dishes)
Tahini
Tofu, tempeh, and edamame
Olive and avocado oils in cooking
Plant based butter substitute (the one I have in my kitchen right now uses canola, coconut, and sunflower oils as it's fat source)
Oil that is added to non-dairy milk and yogurt (she likes ripple milk and oatmilk skyr, both of which have added fat that comes from safflower or coconut oil)

Does she also eat unhealthy fats? Yes. But mostly in things that she ate before she became vegan. Chips, candy, or commercial baked goods. If anything, she eats less of those things as a vegan since sometimes the only option is something with dairy or eggs, and so she turns it down.

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Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

That was me (OP). I didn’t mean to sock puppet.

My original question was about what specific nutrients are hard to get and should be watched. One or more posters is saying it’s not just hard, it’s “impossible” and now that the nutrients that make it impossible are ones that adults don’t need. But they don’t name these mystery nutrients. I hope they come back and clarify.

They won’t, because it’s ridiculous. They might go on about fats, which an avocado or olive oil will address, or a tbsp of ground flax seed.
You are patient to put up with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

That was me (OP). I didn’t mean to sock puppet.

My original question was about what specific nutrients are hard to get and should be watched. One or more posters is saying it’s not just hard, it’s “impossible” and now that the nutrients that make it impossible are ones that adults don’t need. But they don’t name these mystery nutrients. I hope they come back and clarify.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

That was me (OP). I didn’t mean to sock puppet.

My original question was about what specific nutrients are hard to get and should be watched. One or more posters is saying it’s not just hard, it’s “impossible” and now that the nutrients that make it impossible are ones that adults don’t need. But they don’t name these mystery nutrients. I hope they come back and clarify.

They won’t, because it’s ridiculous. They might go on about fats, which an avocado or olive oil will address, or a tbsp of ground flax seed.
You are patient to put up with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

That was me (OP). I didn’t mean to sock puppet.

My original question was about what specific nutrients are hard to get and should be watched. One or more posters is saying it’s not just hard, it’s “impossible” and now that the nutrients that make it impossible are ones that adults don’t need. But they don’t name these mystery nutrients. I hope they come back and clarify.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.

What nutrients do 11 year old girls require that adult men don’t?

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Anonymous wrote:Why not regular hormone free milk and cheeses?

Because she is concerned about animal cruelty and not about hormones.

I’m going to call out OP for pushing this on her 11 YO daughter. Shane on you OP.

Where do you see that I am pushing it. I'm explaining what she told me.

I'm sorry, but are you familiar with the word "parent," and all that it implies?

Yes, I didn't realize you didn't know what it meant.

Parent means to teach your children so they can grow up to be independent healthy adults who know their values and act in accordance with them.

So, in this case, some of the things that I did which would be parenting:

I listened to my daughter when she decided that eating eggs and dairy products wasn't in keeping with her own values.

I encouraged her to learn more about the dairy and egg industries to find a source she was comfortable with, but unfortunately she could not do so.

I helped her research vegan nutrition, to learn about her body's needs, and to make a plan to meet them.

I taught her to plan and cook healthy vegan meals.

I continued to provide the ingredients for healthy vegan meals.

All of those things are examples of parenting.

Another word that you don't seem to know what it means is "push". That means to encourage or force someone to do something. It doesn't mean to allow them them to do something they've decided to do on their own.

For example, I could say. "I didn't push my child to become vegan, but I did push them to learn to cook vegan meals, to take B12 supplements, and to incorporate more vitamin C into their meals to increase the absorption of non-heme iron from plant sources."

Please let me know if you would like any further vocabulary lessons. I am sorry I didn't realize you needed them earlier.

What are you going to do when your 11 year old decides that doing her homework is not in keeping with her own values?

You really think being vegan is somehow similar to refusing to do homework? That's just bonkers.

It is worse because it harms the body, and is usually cult like and driven by social media falsehoods

Sounds like you have a crazy axe to grind. My vegan cousin literally just won a 50 mile ultamarathon last month. Pretty sure he's in better physical shape than pretty much anyone.

"He" is not an 11 YO prepubescent girl.

Yeah because 11 year old girls need more calories, iron, and protein than a grown male ultramarathoner. Sure, Jan.

They need a different set of nutrients that are almost impossible to get on a practical basis, daily, in a vegan diet. It’s a breeding ground for anorexia at this age.