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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why you’d want a “great” HS experience but a lower named/ranked school unless it was the kid’s choice (turned down an ivy for a full ride at uva).

Because a job might care about what college you attend, they won’t care about what HS you attend. Most people have no clue about TJ but they know Harvard or MIT.

Buahaha, that's what you think. TJ got me every job I ever had. I know lawyers who got clerkships based on TJ (yes, layered on top of whatever law school). Yeah maybe TJ's reach is more geographically limited, but lots of people know TJ.

It's really amazing how many people think coming here to trash TJ or going to the private school forum to trash specific top tier privates will make other kids turn these schools down and give their kids a better chance. People - not enough applicants read your DCUM post, then think, "Huh, maybe I won't go there after all" for your kid to get in.

Did you put TJ on your resume? Or was it just connections, like any other high school?

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I went to stuyvesant so it's a bi6t of a different animal because it's been around longer so the older folks have heard of it. A lot of managing directors have never heard of TJ but I assume that TJ is better kbnown these days.
Early in my career, I put my high school on my resume. By early I mean until I was 30. It was down near the bottom near the "adept at excel and powerpoint" line but it was there and it almost always came up at some point in the interview process.
They didn't necessarily go to Stuy but they understood what it meant.

First quoted PP here, and yes I did. But then again, I haven't job hunted since I was just a few years out of college. Were I to hit the job market again now, it would be pretty weird to have TJ on the resume. At the time it was a topic of conversation in interviews, but there wasn't much else to talk about. My college was utterly no-name in my field.

This is exactly normal and what one would suspect to be true. Saying anything different makes me think the TJ grads continue to live in the past and without humility.

TJ -> let’s say Penn State - > 26 years old would be odd that TJ is discussed except maybe “oh what was THAT like?” Not wow, TJ????

The discussions were actually "How does one get into TJ" because all my interviewers were dads of middle schoolers in northern Virginia.

Were you a new grad at the time? If not, how did tJ even come up?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why you’d want a “great” HS experience but a lower named/ranked school unless it was the kid’s choice (turned down an ivy for a full ride at uva).

Because a job might care about what college you attend, they won’t care about what HS you attend. Most people have no clue about TJ but they know Harvard or MIT.

Buahaha, that's what you think. TJ got me every job I ever had. I know lawyers who got clerkships based on TJ (yes, layered on top of whatever law school). Yeah maybe TJ's reach is more geographically limited, but lots of people know TJ.

It's really amazing how many people think coming here to trash TJ or going to the private school forum to trash specific top tier privates will make other kids turn these schools down and give their kids a better chance. People - not enough applicants read your DCUM post, then think, "Huh, maybe I won't go there after all" for your kid to get in.

Did you put TJ on your resume? Or was it just connections, like any other high school?

DP

I went to stuyvesant so it's a bi6t of a different animal because it's been around longer so the older folks have heard of it. A lot of managing directors have never heard of TJ but I assume that TJ is better kbnown these days.
Early in my career, I put my high school on my resume. By early I mean until I was 30. It was down near the bottom near the "adept at excel and powerpoint" line but it was there and it almost always came up at some point in the interview process.
They didn't necessarily go to Stuy but they understood what it meant.

First quoted PP here, and yes I did. But then again, I haven't job hunted since I was just a few years out of college. Were I to hit the job market again now, it would be pretty weird to have TJ on the resume. At the time it was a topic of conversation in interviews, but there wasn't much else to talk about. My college was utterly no-name in my field.

This is exactly normal and what one would suspect to be true. Saying anything different makes me think the TJ grads continue to live in the past and without humility.

TJ -> let’s say Penn State - > 26 years old would be odd that TJ is discussed except maybe “oh what was THAT like?” Not wow, TJ????

The discussions were actually "How does one get into TJ" because all my interviewers were dads of middle schoolers in northern Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why you’d want a “great” HS experience but a lower named/ranked school unless it was the kid’s choice (turned down an ivy for a full ride at uva).

Because a job might care about what college you attend, they won’t care about what HS you attend. Most people have no clue about TJ but they know Harvard or MIT.

Buahaha, that's what you think. TJ got me every job I ever had. I know lawyers who got clerkships based on TJ (yes, layered on top of whatever law school). Yeah maybe TJ's reach is more geographically limited, but lots of people know TJ.

It's really amazing how many people think coming here to trash TJ or going to the private school forum to trash specific top tier privates will make other kids turn these schools down and give their kids a better chance. People - not enough applicants read your DCUM post, then think, "Huh, maybe I won't go there after all" for your kid to get in.

Did you put TJ on your resume? Or was it just connections, like any other high school?

DP

I went to stuyvesant so it's a bi6t of a different animal because it's been around longer so the older folks have heard of it. A lot of managing directors have never heard of TJ but I assume that TJ is better kbnown these days.
Early in my career, I put my high school on my resume. By early I mean until I was 30. It was down near the bottom near the "adept at excel and powerpoint" line but it was there and it almost always came up at some point in the interview process.
They didn't necessarily go to Stuy but they understood what it meant.

First quoted PP here, and yes I did. But then again, I haven't job hunted since I was just a few years out of college. Were I to hit the job market again now, it would be pretty weird to have TJ on the resume. At the time it was a topic of conversation in interviews, but there wasn't much else to talk about. My college was utterly no-name in my field.

This is exactly normal and what one would suspect to be true. Saying anything different makes me think the TJ grads continue to live in the past and without humility.

TJ -> let’s say Penn State - > 26 years old would be odd that TJ is discussed except maybe “oh what was THAT like?” Not wow, TJ????

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Anonymous wrote:The TJ name and network helps get college internships which helps you get your first full time job. It's very beneficial.

No question for first job things like that can be influential. That is not what is the topic of this discussion. It’s like going to a no name college or grad school absolutely can matter for a first job but after that, they are looking at your experience.

Fun fact: getting a decent internship or first job because of TJ then helps with the next job.

For example my sibling got a clerkship with a judge based on the TJ name (not even in the DC area!), and that clerkship was a resume bullet point for the firm after law school, which in turn got the next job, and the next, and so on.

Fun Fact: That’s entirely different from the second job and third and fourth being bc the non TJ grad hiring individual is impressed with the fact that a kid went to TJ 5+ years ago.

Sure, TJ is no Harvard (nor is it Andover/Exeter). However people on here are acting like TJ has no impact on career and that's not demonstrably not true.

I don’t recall anyone saying this. I recall people saying going to TJ freshman thru senior year of HS is not helpful for your career as an adult after your first job unless it is someone related to TJ, in which case replace the TJ with any connection to the hiring person and it’s the same advantage.

This isn't true either because anyone that has gone to a top school has heard of Stuyvesant and presumably TJ as well.

So? Unless it is a connection, like any connection, it won’t matter. I’ve heard of those schools but what you’ve been up
to in the job or college is what I care about…unless I know of a direct connection you: same hometown, same HS, same elementary school, etc. but if w/out this connection, if you went to Stuyvesant and then went to x unimpressive college… and had so so jobs…or mediocre college grades or a bad lsat, who cares? It’s like advertising that I was seemingly impressive in the past.

Once again I went to stuyvesant, so a little different from TJ, but here are some ways I have seen a Stuy degree help.

A fairly prominent black stuy grad relates story of how people at her ivy league college assumed she was an affirmative action admit.
She was black and poor.
Then she started walking around campus with her stuy T-shirt, her high school t shirt, at an ivy league campus.
Instant credibility.

In my experience it confirms other signals that you are smart and makes you easier to hire. It frequently buys you some plot armor in much the same way that an ivy degree buys you career plot armor.

That's a single example and it relates to a young adult starting out. That is not what this thread is about. Let's look at it another way:

I know several ivy league grads and their career path is entirely ho-hum and they are not doing well financially. I also know plenty of ivy league grads whose career paths have taken off and their accomplishments are impressive. Do you think I'm looking at these combined ivy league grads as a single group and feel impressed? Would you be impressed by them all? Would you hire someone who went to Stuy/TJ/an ivy if, in the 10 years since they graduated, they kinda floundered?

It's two examples.

I think you are looking at it through the wrong end of the telescope.

Having TJ on your resume doesn't salvage an otherwise unimpressive resume but having TJ on your resume verifies all the other good things you have on your resume.

If someone went to TJ and then Berkeley and I was concerned about Berkeley's selection process and grade inflation, TJ on the resume would allay some of my concerns.

I'm going to stop fighting you. if you want to believe that TJ has no value after applying to college, be my guest but if you are considering going to TJ and want to know if the value of TJ essentially disappears after college, the answer is no, it is one of the few high school degrees that carry career value into your late 20s and social value your whole life.

I am not trying to fight you. The original question related to whether people regret going to TJ since college acceptance results from TJ students are believed to be generally worse than had the kid gone to the base school. Your example (of a TJ grad going to Berkeley) matches one of the groups I mentioned above (the group of ivy grads whose career paths took off and their accomplishments are impressive). Berkeley is impressive (highly selective, highly ranked).

People were chiming in saying a TJ grad will be able to say TJ grad here for the rest of his life and it will continue to help with jobs and that I did disagree with. I definitely think it is useful if the interviewer went to or knows TJ well OR for a young adult where there is very little work history but other than that, I don't see how graduating from TJ at 18 is helping you get a job 12 years later. Just like going to a lower ranked college is far less important to interviewers once you're a few years out of college (which is when they then care about experience more).

How many times a year is another adult asking you were you went to college UNrelated to discussions about your kids and colleges? No one really cares about that years later even though I know the JOBS that most of the adults in my circle have or recently had. But when I was 18-22, I knew where all my friends went or were in school b/c that is what was relevant then.

I know where all the lawyers I work with went to law school. Any time we are hiring a lawyer, I know where they went to law school.

Stuyvesant came up in my interview for my first legal job at the age of 26.

First job, yes bc you lacked experience.

Hiring someone, sure.

Likely lawyers have their degrees hanging in their office. Many drs and lawyers do. Do you know where your coworkers went to undergrad or HS? How about non coworkers?

Hiring someone is what we were talking about, right?

I didn't usually know undergrad unless I was close to them or they were particularly big boosters. One former partner was a big Vanderbilt booster, the whole firm knew, if you had any connection to vanderbilt, you got an invitation Vanderbilt stuff from him. If they graduated from harvard, princeton or yale, we usually knew. Same with andover, exeter, stuyvesant, etc. It didn't catapult my career or anything but it has social value even today.

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Anonymous wrote:The TJ name and network helps get college internships which helps you get your first full time job. It's very beneficial.

No question for first job things like that can be influential. That is not what is the topic of this discussion. It’s like going to a no name college or grad school absolutely can matter for a first job but after that, they are looking at your experience.

Fun fact: getting a decent internship or first job because of TJ then helps with the next job.

For example my sibling got a clerkship with a judge based on the TJ name (not even in the DC area!), and that clerkship was a resume bullet point for the firm after law school, which in turn got the next job, and the next, and so on.

Fun Fact: That’s entirely different from the second job and third and fourth being bc the non TJ grad hiring individual is impressed with the fact that a kid went to TJ 5+ years ago.

Sure, TJ is no Harvard (nor is it Andover/Exeter). However people on here are acting like TJ has no impact on career and that's not demonstrably not true.

I don’t recall anyone saying this. I recall people saying going to TJ freshman thru senior year of HS is not helpful for your career as an adult after your first job unless it is someone related to TJ, in which case replace the TJ with any connection to the hiring person and it’s the same advantage.

This isn't true either because anyone that has gone to a top school has heard of Stuyvesant and presumably TJ as well.

So? Unless it is a connection, like any connection, it won’t matter. I’ve heard of those schools but what you’ve been up
to in the job or college is what I care about…unless I know of a direct connection you: same hometown, same HS, same elementary school, etc. but if w/out this connection, if you went to Stuyvesant and then went to x unimpressive college… and had so so jobs…or mediocre college grades or a bad lsat, who cares? It’s like advertising that I was seemingly impressive in the past.

Once again I went to stuyvesant, so a little different from TJ, but here are some ways I have seen a Stuy degree help.

A fairly prominent black stuy grad relates story of how people at her ivy league college assumed she was an affirmative action admit.
She was black and poor.
Then she started walking around campus with her stuy T-shirt, her high school t shirt, at an ivy league campus.
Instant credibility.

In my experience it confirms other signals that you are smart and makes you easier to hire. It frequently buys you some plot armor in much the same way that an ivy degree buys you career plot armor.

That's a single example and it relates to a young adult starting out. That is not what this thread is about. Let's look at it another way:

I know several ivy league grads and their career path is entirely ho-hum and they are not doing well financially. I also know plenty of ivy league grads whose career paths have taken off and their accomplishments are impressive. Do you think I'm looking at these combined ivy league grads as a single group and feel impressed? Would you be impressed by them all? Would you hire someone who went to Stuy/TJ/an ivy if, in the 10 years since they graduated, they kinda floundered?

It's two examples.

I think you are looking at it through the wrong end of the telescope.

Having TJ on your resume doesn't salvage an otherwise unimpressive resume but having TJ on your resume verifies all the other good things you have on your resume.

If someone went to TJ and then Berkeley and I was concerned about Berkeley's selection process and grade inflation, TJ on the resume would allay some of my concerns.

I'm going to stop fighting you. if you want to believe that TJ has no value after applying to college, be my guest but if you are considering going to TJ and want to know if the value of TJ essentially disappears after college, the answer is no, it is one of the few high school degrees that carry career value into your late 20s and social value your whole life.

I am not trying to fight you. The original question related to whether people regret going to TJ since college acceptance results from TJ students are believed to be generally worse than had the kid gone to the base school. Your example (of a TJ grad going to Berkeley) matches one of the groups I mentioned above (the group of ivy grads whose career paths took off and their accomplishments are impressive). Berkeley is impressive (highly selective, highly ranked).

People were chiming in saying a TJ grad will be able to say TJ grad here for the rest of his life and it will continue to help with jobs and that I did disagree with. I definitely think it is useful if the interviewer went to or knows TJ well OR for a young adult where there is very little work history but other than that, I don't see how graduating from TJ at 18 is helping you get a job 12 years later. Just like going to a lower ranked college is far less important to interviewers once you're a few years out of college (which is when they then care about experience more).

How many times a year is another adult asking you were you went to college UNrelated to discussions about your kids and colleges? No one really cares about that years later even though I know the JOBS that most of the adults in my circle have or recently had. But when I was 18-22, I knew where all my friends went or were in school b/c that is what was relevant then.

I know where all the lawyers I work with went to law school. Any time we are hiring a lawyer, I know where they went to law school.

Stuyvesant came up in my interview for my first legal job at the age of 26.

First job, yes bc you lacked experience.

Hiring someone, sure.

Likely lawyers have their degrees hanging in their office. Many drs and lawyers do. Do you know where your coworkers went to undergrad or HS? How about non coworkers?

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Anonymous wrote:The TJ name and network helps get college internships which helps you get your first full time job. It's very beneficial.

No question for first job things like that can be influential. That is not what is the topic of this discussion. It’s like going to a no name college or grad school absolutely can matter for a first job but after that, they are looking at your experience.

Fun fact: getting a decent internship or first job because of TJ then helps with the next job.

For example my sibling got a clerkship with a judge based on the TJ name (not even in the DC area!), and that clerkship was a resume bullet point for the firm after law school, which in turn got the next job, and the next, and so on.

Fun Fact: That’s entirely different from the second job and third and fourth being bc the non TJ grad hiring individual is impressed with the fact that a kid went to TJ 5+ years ago.

Sure, TJ is no Harvard (nor is it Andover/Exeter). However people on here are acting like TJ has no impact on career and that's not demonstrably not true.

I don’t recall anyone saying this. I recall people saying going to TJ freshman thru senior year of HS is not helpful for your career as an adult after your first job unless it is someone related to TJ, in which case replace the TJ with any connection to the hiring person and it’s the same advantage.

This isn't true either because anyone that has gone to a top school has heard of Stuyvesant and presumably TJ as well.

So? Unless it is a connection, like any connection, it won’t matter. I’ve heard of those schools but what you’ve been up
to in the job or college is what I care about…unless I know of a direct connection you: same hometown, same HS, same elementary school, etc. but if w/out this connection, if you went to Stuyvesant and then went to x unimpressive college… and had so so jobs…or mediocre college grades or a bad lsat, who cares? It’s like advertising that I was seemingly impressive in the past.

Once again I went to stuyvesant, so a little different from TJ, but here are some ways I have seen a Stuy degree help.

A fairly prominent black stuy grad relates story of how people at her ivy league college assumed she was an affirmative action admit.
She was black and poor.
Then she started walking around campus with her stuy T-shirt, her high school t shirt, at an ivy league campus.
Instant credibility.

In my experience it confirms other signals that you are smart and makes you easier to hire. It frequently buys you some plot armor in much the same way that an ivy degree buys you career plot armor.

That's a single example and it relates to a young adult starting out. That is not what this thread is about. Let's look at it another way:

I know several ivy league grads and their career path is entirely ho-hum and they are not doing well financially. I also know plenty of ivy league grads whose career paths have taken off and their accomplishments are impressive. Do you think I'm looking at these combined ivy league grads as a single group and feel impressed? Would you be impressed by them all? Would you hire someone who went to Stuy/TJ/an ivy if, in the 10 years since they graduated, they kinda floundered?

It's two examples.

I think you are looking at it through the wrong end of the telescope.

Having TJ on your resume doesn't salvage an otherwise unimpressive resume but having TJ on your resume verifies all the other good things you have on your resume.

If someone went to TJ and then Berkeley and I was concerned about Berkeley's selection process and grade inflation, TJ on the resume would allay some of my concerns.

I'm going to stop fighting you. if you want to believe that TJ has no value after applying to college, be my guest but if you are considering going to TJ and want to know if the value of TJ essentially disappears after college, the answer is no, it is one of the few high school degrees that carry career value into your late 20s and social value your whole life.

I am not trying to fight you. The original question related to whether people regret going to TJ since college acceptance results from TJ students are believed to be generally worse than had the kid gone to the base school. Your example (of a TJ grad going to Berkeley) matches one of the groups I mentioned above (the group of ivy grads whose career paths took off and their accomplishments are impressive). Berkeley is impressive (highly selective, highly ranked).

People were chiming in saying a TJ grad will be able to say TJ grad here for the rest of his life and it will continue to help with jobs and that I did disagree with. I definitely think it is useful if the interviewer went to or knows TJ well OR for a young adult where there is very little work history but other than that, I don't see how graduating from TJ at 18 is helping you get a job 12 years later. Just like going to a lower ranked college is far less important to interviewers once you're a few years out of college (which is when they then care about experience more).

How many times a year is another adult asking you were you went to college UNrelated to discussions about your kids and colleges? No one really cares about that years later even though I know the JOBS that most of the adults in my circle have or recently had. But when I was 18-22, I knew where all my friends went or were in school b/c that is what was relevant then.

I know where all the lawyers I work with went to law school. Any time we are hiring a lawyer, I know where they went to law school.

Stuyvesant came up in my interview for my first legal job at the age of 26.

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Anonymous wrote:The TJ name and network helps get college internships which helps you get your first full time job. It's very beneficial.

No question for first job things like that can be influential. That is not what is the topic of this discussion. It’s like going to a no name college or grad school absolutely can matter for a first job but after that, they are looking at your experience.

Fun fact: getting a decent internship or first job because of TJ then helps with the next job.

For example my sibling got a clerkship with a judge based on the TJ name (not even in the DC area!), and that clerkship was a resume bullet point for the firm after law school, which in turn got the next job, and the next, and so on.

Fun Fact: That’s entirely different from the second job and third and fourth being bc the non TJ grad hiring individual is impressed with the fact that a kid went to TJ 5+ years ago.

Sure, TJ is no Harvard (nor is it Andover/Exeter). However people on here are acting like TJ has no impact on career and that's not demonstrably not true.

I don’t recall anyone saying this. I recall people saying going to TJ freshman thru senior year of HS is not helpful for your career as an adult after your first job unless it is someone related to TJ, in which case replace the TJ with any connection to the hiring person and it’s the same advantage.

This isn't true either because anyone that has gone to a top school has heard of Stuyvesant and presumably TJ as well.

So? Unless it is a connection, like any connection, it won’t matter. I’ve heard of those schools but what you’ve been up
to in the job or college is what I care about…unless I know of a direct connection you: same hometown, same HS, same elementary school, etc. but if w/out this connection, if you went to Stuyvesant and then went to x unimpressive college… and had so so jobs…or mediocre college grades or a bad lsat, who cares? It’s like advertising that I was seemingly impressive in the past.

Once again I went to stuyvesant, so a little different from TJ, but here are some ways I have seen a Stuy degree help.

A fairly prominent black stuy grad relates story of how people at her ivy league college assumed she was an affirmative action admit.
She was black and poor.
Then she started walking around campus with her stuy T-shirt, her high school t shirt, at an ivy league campus.
Instant credibility.

In my experience it confirms other signals that you are smart and makes you easier to hire. It frequently buys you some plot armor in much the same way that an ivy degree buys you career plot armor.

That's a single example and it relates to a young adult starting out. That is not what this thread is about. Let's look at it another way:

I know several ivy league grads and their career path is entirely ho-hum and they are not doing well financially. I also know plenty of ivy league grads whose career paths have taken off and their accomplishments are impressive. Do you think I'm looking at these combined ivy league grads as a single group and feel impressed? Would you be impressed by them all? Would you hire someone who went to Stuy/TJ/an ivy if, in the 10 years since they graduated, they kinda floundered?

It's two examples.

I think you are looking at it through the wrong end of the telescope.

Having TJ on your resume doesn't salvage an otherwise unimpressive resume but having TJ on your resume verifies all the other good things you have on your resume.

If someone went to TJ and then Berkeley and I was concerned about Berkeley's selection process and grade inflation, TJ on the resume would allay some of my concerns.

I'm going to stop fighting you. if you want to believe that TJ has no value after applying to college, be my guest but if you are considering going to TJ and want to know if the value of TJ essentially disappears after college, the answer is no, it is one of the few high school degrees that carry career value into your late 20s and social value your whole life.

I am not trying to fight you. The original question related to whether people regret going to TJ since college acceptance results from TJ students are believed to be generally worse than had the kid gone to the base school. Your example (of a TJ grad going to Berkeley) matches one of the groups I mentioned above (the group of ivy grads whose career paths took off and their accomplishments are impressive). Berkeley is impressive (highly selective, highly ranked).

People were chiming in saying a TJ grad will be able to say TJ grad here for the rest of his life and it will continue to help with jobs and that I did disagree with. I definitely think it is useful if the interviewer went to or knows TJ well OR for a young adult where there is very little work history but other than that, I don't see how graduating from TJ at 18 is helping you get a job 12 years later. Just like going to a lower ranked college is far less important to interviewers once you're a few years out of college (which is when they then care about experience more).

How many times a year is another adult asking you were you went to college UNrelated to discussions about your kids and colleges? No one really cares about that years later even though I know the JOBS that most of the adults in my circle have or recently had. But when I was 18-22, I knew where all my friends went or were in school b/c that is what was relevant then.

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Anonymous wrote:The TJ name and network helps get college internships which helps you get your first full time job. It's very beneficial.

No question for first job things like that can be influential. That is not what is the topic of this discussion. It’s like going to a no name college or grad school absolutely can matter for a first job but after that, they are looking at your experience.

Fun fact: getting a decent internship or first job because of TJ then helps with the next job.

For example my sibling got a clerkship with a judge based on the TJ name (not even in the DC area!), and that clerkship was a resume bullet point for the firm after law school, which in turn got the next job, and the next, and so on.

Fun Fact: That’s entirely different from the second job and third and fourth being bc the non TJ grad hiring individual is impressed with the fact that a kid went to TJ 5+ years ago.

Sure, TJ is no Harvard (nor is it Andover/Exeter). However people on here are acting like TJ has no impact on career and that's not demonstrably not true.

I don’t recall anyone saying this. I recall people saying going to TJ freshman thru senior year of HS is not helpful for your career as an adult after your first job unless it is someone related to TJ, in which case replace the TJ with any connection to the hiring person and it’s the same advantage.

This isn't true either because anyone that has gone to a top school has heard of Stuyvesant and presumably TJ as well.

So? Unless it is a connection, like any connection, it won’t matter. I’ve heard of those schools but what you’ve been up
to in the job or college is what I care about…unless I know of a direct connection you: same hometown, same HS, same elementary school, etc. but if w/out this connection, if you went to Stuyvesant and then went to x unimpressive college… and had so so jobs…or mediocre college grades or a bad lsat, who cares? It’s like advertising that I was seemingly impressive in the past.

Once again I went to stuyvesant, so a little different from TJ, but here are some ways I have seen a Stuy degree help.

A fairly prominent black stuy grad relates story of how people at her ivy league college assumed she was an affirmative action admit.
She was black and poor.
Then she started walking around campus with her stuy T-shirt, her high school t shirt, at an ivy league campus.
Instant credibility.

In my experience it confirms other signals that you are smart and makes you easier to hire. It frequently buys you some plot armor in much the same way that an ivy degree buys you career plot armor.

That's a single example and it relates to a young adult starting out. That is not what this thread is about. Let's look at it another way:

I know several ivy league grads and their career path is entirely ho-hum and they are not doing well financially. I also know plenty of ivy league grads whose career paths have taken off and their accomplishments are impressive. Do you think I'm looking at these combined ivy league grads as a single group and feel impressed? Would you be impressed by them all? Would you hire someone who went to Stuy/TJ/an ivy if, in the 10 years since they graduated, they kinda floundered?

It's two examples.

I think you are looking at it through the wrong end of the telescope.

Having TJ on your resume doesn't salvage an otherwise unimpressive resume but having TJ on your resume verifies all the other good things you have on your resume.

If someone went to TJ and then Berkeley and I was concerned about Berkeley's selection process and grade inflation, TJ on the resume would allay some of my concerns.

I'm going to stop fighting you. if you want to believe that TJ has no value after applying to college, be my guest but if you are considering going to TJ and want to know if the value of TJ essentially disappears after college, the answer is no, it is one of the few high school degrees that carry career value into your late 20s and social value your whole life.

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Anonymous wrote:The TJ name and network helps get college internships which helps you get your first full time job. It's very beneficial.

No question for first job things like that can be influential. That is not what is the topic of this discussion. It’s like going to a no name college or grad school absolutely can matter for a first job but after that, they are looking at your experience.

Fun fact: getting a decent internship or first job because of TJ then helps with the next job.

For example my sibling got a clerkship with a judge based on the TJ name (not even in the DC area!), and that clerkship was a resume bullet point for the firm after law school, which in turn got the next job, and the next, and so on.

Fun Fact: That’s entirely different from the second job and third and fourth being bc the non TJ grad hiring individual is impressed with the fact that a kid went to TJ 5+ years ago.

Sure, TJ is no Harvard (nor is it Andover/Exeter). However people on here are acting like TJ has no impact on career and that's not demonstrably not true.

I don’t recall anyone saying this. I recall people saying going to TJ freshman thru senior year of HS is not helpful for your career as an adult after your first job unless it is someone related to TJ, in which case replace the TJ with any connection to the hiring person and it’s the same advantage.

This isn't true either because anyone that has gone to a top school has heard of Stuyvesant and presumably TJ as well.

So? Unless it is a connection, like any connection, it won’t matter. I’ve heard of those schools but what you’ve been up
to in the job or college is what I care about…unless I know of a direct connection you: same hometown, same HS, same elementary school, etc. but if w/out this connection, if you went to Stuyvesant and then went to x unimpressive college… and had so so jobs…or mediocre college grades or a bad lsat, who cares? It’s like advertising that I was seemingly impressive in the past.

Once again I went to stuyvesant, so a little different from TJ, but here are some ways I have seen a Stuy degree help.

A fairly prominent black stuy grad relates story of how people at her ivy league college assumed she was an affirmative action admit.
She was black and poor.
Then she started walking around campus with her stuy T-shirt, her high school t shirt, at an ivy league campus.
Instant credibility.

In my experience it confirms other signals that you are smart and makes you easier to hire. It frequently buys you some plot armor in much the same way that an ivy degree buys you career plot armor.

That's a single example and it relates to a young adult starting out. That is not what this thread is about. Let's look at it another way:

I know several ivy league grads and their career path is entirely ho-hum and they are not doing well financially. I also know plenty of ivy league grads whose career paths have taken off and their accomplishments are impressive. Do you think I'm looking at these combined ivy league grads as a single group and feel impressed? Would you be impressed by them all? Would you hire someone who went to Stuy/TJ/an ivy if, in the 10 years since they graduated, they kinda floundered?

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Anonymous wrote:The TJ name and network helps get college internships which helps you get your first full time job. It's very beneficial.

No question for first job things like that can be influential. That is not what is the topic of this discussion. It’s like going to a no name college or grad school absolutely can matter for a first job but after that, they are looking at your experience.

Fun fact: getting a decent internship or first job because of TJ then helps with the next job.

For example my sibling got a clerkship with a judge based on the TJ name (not even in the DC area!), and that clerkship was a resume bullet point for the firm after law school, which in turn got the next job, and the next, and so on.

Fun Fact: That’s entirely different from the second job and third and fourth being bc the non TJ grad hiring individual is impressed with the fact that a kid went to TJ 5+ years ago.

Sure, TJ is no Harvard (nor is it Andover/Exeter). However people on here are acting like TJ has no impact on career and that's not demonstrably not true.

I don’t recall anyone saying this. I recall people saying going to TJ freshman thru senior year of HS is not helpful for your career as an adult after your first job unless it is someone related to TJ, in which case replace the TJ with any connection to the hiring person and it’s the same advantage.

This isn't true either because anyone that has gone to a top school has heard of Stuyvesant and presumably TJ as well.

So? Unless it is a connection, like any connection, it won’t matter. I’ve heard of those schools but what you’ve been up
to in the job or college is what I care about…unless I know of a direct connection you: same hometown, same HS, same elementary school, etc. but if w/out this connection, if you went to Stuyvesant and then went to x unimpressive college… and had so so jobs…or mediocre college grades or a bad lsat, who cares? It’s like advertising that I was seemingly impressive in the past.

Once again I went to stuyvesant, so a little different from TJ, but here are some ways I have seen a Stuy degree help.

A fairly prominent black stuy grad relates story of how people at her ivy league college assumed she was an affirmative action admit.
She was black and poor.
Then she started walking around campus with her stuy T-shirt, her high school t shirt, at an ivy league campus.
Instant credibility.

In my experience it confirms other signals that you are smart and makes you easier to hire. It frequently buys you some plot armor in much the same way that an ivy degree buys you career plot armor.

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Anonymous wrote:The TJ name and network helps get college internships which helps you get your first full time job. It's very beneficial.

No question for first job things like that can be influential. That is not what is the topic of this discussion. It’s like going to a no name college or grad school absolutely can matter for a first job but after that, they are looking at your experience.

Fun fact: getting a decent internship or first job because of TJ then helps with the next job.

For example my sibling got a clerkship with a judge based on the TJ name (not even in the DC area!), and that clerkship was a resume bullet point for the firm after law school, which in turn got the next job, and the next, and so on.

Fun Fact: That’s entirely different from the second job and third and fourth being bc the non TJ grad hiring individual is impressed with the fact that a kid went to TJ 5+ years ago.

Sure, TJ is no Harvard (nor is it Andover/Exeter). However people on here are acting like TJ has no impact on career and that's not demonstrably not true.

I don’t recall anyone saying this. I recall people saying going to TJ freshman thru senior year of HS is not helpful for your career as an adult after your first job unless it is someone related to TJ, in which case replace the TJ with any connection to the hiring person and it’s the same advantage.

This isn't true either because anyone that has gone to a top school has heard of Stuyvesant and presumably TJ as well.

So? Unless it is a connection, like any connection, it won’t matter. I’ve heard of those schools but what you’ve been up
to in the job or college is what I care about…unless I know of a direct connection you: same hometown, same HS, same elementary school, etc. but if w/out this connection, if you went to Stuyvesant and then went to x unimpressive college… and had so so jobs…or mediocre college grades or a bad lsat, who cares? It’s like advertising that I was seemingly impressive in the past.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a thought, I thought the early acceptances at Whitman and Wooten in Moco are equally or more impressive than TJ at this point, and def better than any of the top base high schools in FFX county. Part of that is bc Whitman is very rich so more ED than TJ maybe, Still, those are base schools that don’t have the top kids in Moco.

Instead of TJ, Moco top kids are at TJ at Blair (100/yr), Poolesville (350) and RM IB (125). Altogether, that # exceeds the class at TJ.

So def TJ is outperforming McLean and Langley, but I think not necessarily outperforming the top base schools in Moco, and prob on par with the Moco magnets. Anyone have thoughts on why this is the case?

TJ is definitely outperforming Blair with their 1310 average SAT score.
Wootten with their 1370 SAT score.
Whitman with their 1390 SAT score.

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Anonymous wrote:The TJ name and network helps get college internships which helps you get your first full time job. It's very beneficial.

No question for first job things like that can be influential. That is not what is the topic of this discussion. It’s like going to a no name college or grad school absolutely can matter for a first job but after that, they are looking at your experience.

Fun fact: getting a decent internship or first job because of TJ then helps with the next job.

For example my sibling got a clerkship with a judge based on the TJ name (not even in the DC area!), and that clerkship was a resume bullet point for the firm after law school, which in turn got the next job, and the next, and so on.

Fun Fact: That’s entirely different from the second job and third and fourth being bc the non TJ grad hiring individual is impressed with the fact that a kid went to TJ 5+ years ago.

Sure, TJ is no Harvard (nor is it Andover/Exeter). However people on here are acting like TJ has no impact on career and that's not demonstrably not true.

I don’t recall anyone saying this. I recall people saying going to TJ freshman thru senior year of HS is not helpful for your career as an adult after your first job unless it is someone related to TJ, in which case replace the TJ with any connection to the hiring person and it’s the same advantage.

This isn't true either because anyone that has gone to a top school has heard of Stuyvesant and presumably TJ as well.

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Anonymous wrote:The TJ name and network helps get college internships which helps you get your first full time job. It's very beneficial.

No question for first job things like that can be influential. That is not what is the topic of this discussion. It’s like going to a no name college or grad school absolutely can matter for a first job but after that, they are looking at your experience.

Fun fact: getting a decent internship or first job because of TJ then helps with the next job.

For example my sibling got a clerkship with a judge based on the TJ name (not even in the DC area!), and that clerkship was a resume bullet point for the firm after law school, which in turn got the next job, and the next, and so on.

Fun Fact: That’s entirely different from the second job and third and fourth being bc the non TJ grad hiring individual is impressed with the fact that a kid went to TJ 5+ years ago.

Sure, TJ is no Harvard (nor is it Andover/Exeter). However people on here are acting like TJ has no impact on career and that's not demonstrably not true.

I don’t recall anyone saying this. I recall people saying going to TJ freshman thru senior year of HS is not helpful for your career as an adult after your first job unless it is someone related to TJ, in which case replace the TJ with any connection to the hiring person and it’s the same advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why you’d want a “great” HS experience but a lower named/ranked school unless it was the kid’s choice (turned down an ivy for a full ride at uva).

Because a job might care about what college you attend, they won’t care about what HS you attend. Most people have no clue about TJ but they know Harvard or MIT.

Buahaha, that's what you think. TJ got me every job I ever had. I know lawyers who got clerkships based on TJ (yes, layered on top of whatever law school). Yeah maybe TJ's reach is more geographically limited, but lots of people know TJ.

It's really amazing how many people think coming here to trash TJ or going to the private school forum to trash specific top tier privates will make other kids turn these schools down and give their kids a better chance. People - not enough applicants read your DCUM post, then think, "Huh, maybe I won't go there after all" for your kid to get in.

Did you put TJ on your resume? Or was it just connections, like any other high school?

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I went to stuyvesant so it's a bi6t of a different animal because it's been around longer so the older folks have heard of it. A lot of managing directors have never heard of TJ but I assume that TJ is better kbnown these days.
Early in my career, I put my high school on my resume. By early I mean until I was 30. It was down near the bottom near the "adept at excel and powerpoint" line but it was there and it almost always came up at some point in the interview process.
They didn't necessarily go to Stuy but they understood what it meant.

First quoted PP here, and yes I did. But then again, I haven't job hunted since I was just a few years out of college. Were I to hit the job market again now, it would be pretty weird to have TJ on the resume. At the time it was a topic of conversation in interviews, but there wasn't much else to talk about. My college was utterly no-name in my field.

This is exactly normal and what one would suspect to be true. Saying anything different makes me think the TJ grads continue to live in the past and without humility.

TJ -> let’s say Penn State - > 26 years old would be odd that TJ is discussed except maybe “oh what was THAT like?” Not wow, TJ????