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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

Only about 10% of families in Montgomery County have a stay at home parent. So at most there should only be one on the board. Even that results in over representation.

Oh good grief. Should half the BOE members be men because half the parents are men? Do you think elected leaders anywhere get chosen by quota?

When the demographics of elected leaders don't reflect the people they represent, it is important to see why that is and address it.

The issue isn’t the demographics it’s the leadership and old girls network. Majority of those women were working or heavily involved in mcps before the BOE.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

Only about 10% of families in Montgomery County have a stay at home parent. So at most there should only be one on the board. Even that results in over representation.

Oh good grief. Should half the BOE members be men because half the parents are men? Do you think elected leaders anywhere get chosen by quota?

When the demographics of elected leaders don't reflect the people they represent, it is important to see why that is and address it.

The issue isn’t the demographics it’s the leadership and old girls network. Majority of those women were working or heavily involved in mcps before the BOE.

The so-called "old girls network" has the same problem. Adverse selection towards SAHPs that weren't able to hold down good jobs. These aren't who we should be striving for on the BoE.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

Only about 10% of families in Montgomery County have a stay at home parent. So at most there should only be one on the board. Even that results in over representation.

Oh good grief. Should half the BOE members be men because half the parents are men? Do you think elected leaders anywhere get chosen by quota?

When the demographics of elected leaders don't reflect the people they represent, it is important to see why that is and address it.

The issue isn’t the demographics it’s the leadership and old girls network. Majority of those women were working or heavily involved in mcps before the BOE.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

Only about 10% of families in Montgomery County have a stay at home parent. So at most there should only be one on the board. Even that results in over representation.

Oh good grief. Should half the BOE members be men because half the parents are men? Do you think elected leaders anywhere get chosen by quota?

When the demographics of elected leaders don't reflect the people they represent, it is important to see why that is and address it.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

I understand you are passionate about how horrible working parents who use child care are, but you don't sound healthy and should consider taking a step back from the keyboard.

You are the master at distorting what is said. No one cares if you work or stay home. Own your choices and figure it out. You post here constantly so how much are you really working or with your kids. Your child care needs are your responsibility, not MCPS. We all manage to make it work, why can’t you? Or be kind and ask a freeing or neighbor for help and offer to help them in return? Or pay for care.

We all pay for child care but MCPS refuses to allow the providers to operate like the rest of the ci7nty's economy, which hurts their own employees. They definitely hate working women, including teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

Only about 10% of families in Montgomery County have a stay at home parent. So at most there should only be one on the board. Even that results in over representation.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

I understand you are passionate about how horrible working parents who use child care are, but you don't sound healthy and should consider taking a step back from the keyboard.

You are the master at distorting what is said. No one cares if you work or stay home. Own your choices and figure it out. You post here constantly so how much are you really working or with your kids. Your child care needs are your responsibility, not MCPS. We all manage to make it work, why can’t you? Or be kind and ask a freeing or neighbor for help and offer to help them in return? Or pay for care.

We all pay for child care but MCPS refuses to allow the providers to operate like the rest of the ci7nty's economy, which hurts their own employees. They definitely hate working women, including teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have blatant and unapologetic con-artists like Moran, Porter (Hazel) and McGuire running the show, these are the predictable results.

Hopefully tragedy eludes us in 2026, but one thing is for sure, the corruption, incompetence and gaslighting will continue with this regime.

McGuire especially is dangerous.

I think Moran and Porter are go-along, get-along types. They would probably be fine under a good, competent superintendent and chief of staff. But under Taylor and McGuire, they're just reluctant lap dogs.

Tell that to Danon Monteleone, Doug Nelson, Shelton Mooney, etc.

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Hopefully tragedy eludes us in 2026, but one thing is for sure, the corruption, incompetence and gaslighting will continue with this regime.

McGuire especially is dangerous.

I think Moran and Porter are go-along, get-along types. They would probably be fine under a good, competent superintendent and chief of staff. But under Taylor and McGuire, they're just reluctant lap dogs.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

Only about 10% of families in Montgomery County have a stay at home parent. So at most there should only be one on the board. Even that results in over representation.

Oh good grief. Should half the BOE members be men because half the parents are men? Do you think elected leaders anywhere get chosen by quota?

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

Only about 10% of families in Montgomery County have a stay at home parent. So at most there should only be one on the board. Even that results in over representation.

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For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

Only about 10% of families in Montgomery County have a stay at home parent. So at most there should only be one on the board. Even that results in over representation.

The Board members are elected by county voters, yes?

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

Only about 10% of families in Montgomery County have a stay at home parent. So at most there should only be one on the board. Even that results in over representation.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

I understand you are passionate about how horrible working parents who use child care are, but you don't sound healthy and should consider taking a step back from the keyboard.

You are the master at distorting what is said. No one cares if you work or stay home. Own your choices and figure it out. You post here constantly so how much are you really working or with your kids. Your child care needs are your responsibility, not MCPS. We all manage to make it work, why can’t you? Or be kind and ask a freeing or neighbor for help and offer to help them in return? Or pay for care.