No.

Why should, for example, black kids who face so much hardship be on the same level as, for example DC kids with so much privilege?

The US system is fine and is getting even better with colleges waking up to the structural racism and privileges of white kids.

^^ They are not deciding on the rest of their lives. Most serious careers require grad school anyway, so the boy taking History at Oxford is not going to necessarily become a History professor, he can take a Law conversion course and become a barrister or solicitor or work for the government instead. Etc

My nieces and nephews in an EU country have really been disserviced by the standardized system in their country. They all complain that they essentially lose a year when their entire school is to prepare for the leaving cert. Essentially they’re only evaluated on 3 years of gpa and standardized tests. There’s no weight for harder classes, taking classes a year ahead, etc. You have better odds if you do badly the year before the equivalent of hs to be placed in lower level classes. It’s truly an idiotic system.
There’s also no weight for what kind of writer you are, social skills, time management, etc. You essentially find out what career you’re going to have at age 17, and there’s little flexibility or movement allowed. One niece had dreamed of being a Dr. She had amazing internships, summer courses, research, volunteer stuff, etc. Her gpa wasn’t in the strata required the year she applied so she was placed in a pt course at a low tier university. No option to reapply. Meanwhile her twin who has a whole host of social and executive function and anger issues had a high gpa bc he basically did nothing outside of school. He received a medicine placement at a top Uni. Fast forward, and she ended up paying out of pocket (her parents) to get a masters in the US and one in the UK and is working in medicine in the UK. Had she not had family money, she would have had no choice but to follow through with pt, even though she has zero interest in it. Her twin has had to take leave multiple times bc he’s in over his head.
A lot more than gpa or standardized test scores should factor into things. It’s also awful to expect 16/17 year olds to decide on the rest of their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:For STEM, yes.

In my opinion, yes for everything

+1 Weed out weak students earlier and encourage trade/vocational schools. Stop the nonsense that everyone can do college level academic work.

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Anonymous wrote:European way, at least in the UK, is also somewhat holistic. Academic proficiency matters more there, though, and I think they consider the right mix of holistic and academic qualifications.

Not sure their system would work in the US unless we also switched to making kids lock in their majors when they enter college. For example, great math and physics test scores are going to matter if you want to major in physics, but not so much history.

Top U.K. schools practice hardcore DEI to ensure that they are not completely dominated by private school kids.

The DEI that they use is mostly by income and location. IMO, that's fine. Also, UK schools mostly look at your test scores. They don't really care that much about your extra curriculars, so their students aren't

That is the type of DEI practiced by the UCs in California which cause howling by Asian families here on DCUM.

I don't think most Asian Americans, especially immigrants are against SES based diversity given that there are actually a fair amount of low income Asian families in CA.

-signed an Asian American originally from SoCal

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/27/key-facts-about-asian-americans-living-in-poverty/

I think that is great but the Bay Area Asian community has a very different view of things.

Is there a difference between SoCal Asians and Bay Area Asians that I'm not aware of?

Very roughly, there are more South Asians in SFBA, bit more E/SE Asians in metro LA. Orange County is well known for having lots of SE Asians, as an example.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, of course, which is why we sent our son to oxford. AMA

Are they enjoying Ole Miss and do they see many Northerners there? I hear that there is a mass migration of top kids to the South.