Anonymous
Post 12/20/2025 21:43     Subject: US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

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Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?


They already have. Trump and the republicans believe in “zones of influence” as per New National Defense Strategy. This means the US can do anything(target and murder civilians, blow of boats in territorial or international waters, take any cargo it want without compensation, etc.) within its declared zone. China and Europe can do the same. Sorry Taiwan. Russia being a weak and poor country is not able to project power and therefore can not control a zone.

So yes this is the new world order. The free navigation of the seas and rule of law are no more. When the US invades and occupies Venezuela we will be able to extract oil without paying royalties to the locals. We also can take anything.


This administration is hell-bent on dismantling the command-and-control structures of narco-trafficking routes that funnel illicit drugs in to the U.S. and have contributed to the drug-death catastrophe that kills 100,000 Americans every year.

Just think of it as Washington DC regulations for your pet agendas that you know and love so much. In short, FAFO.


It's a fool's errand to think that drug flow can be meaningfully interrupted, but then again we all know Trump is a fool. Where this is demand, there is a way.


"If it saves even one life..." - every democrat.


Exactly what I was going to say. You’d think Democrats would be applauding the effort to disrupt the drug trade in the Americas… but no. They’re lamenting the fact that someone finally has the guts to do something. Just incredible.
DP


The problem with leading a corrupt, incompetent, and traitorous administration is that people tend to stop believing you. Not that Trump would ever do anything to help America, but if he ever did (even accidentally) no one would believe it.


Sounds like a you problem. Normal people without a political axe to grind are able to understand nuance and avoid knee-jerk reactions.


You don’t seem to understand anything, really. It’s just as embarrassing as this
dumpster fire of an administration.

It will be deeply satisfying when these murderers end up where they belong


So, just to recap: you and your fellow Democrats, who are clutching your pearls because the U.S. actually decided to ACT, are supporters of the Maduro regime. As if we didn’t already know that.

Recent Nobel Prize winner, Maria Corina Machado has only praise for the actions of the Trump administration.

OSLO—Venezuela’s Nobel Peace Prize laureate praised the U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off her country’s coast, saying it was necessary to choke the finances of the Maduro regime to aid the fight for democracy.

Speaking in Oslo a day after she completed her daring escape from Venezuela, opposition leader María Corina Machado evaded reporters’ questions about possible U.S. military action against her country, but said President Trump had shown the regime, for the first time, that its actions wouldn’t go unpunished.

The regime previously thought that they could do anything. They felt they had absolute impunity. They could torture. They could disappear. They could sexually assault young women,” Machado said on Thursday. “Now they start to understand that it’s serious and the world is really watching.”

https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/venezuelan-nobel-laureate-praises-trump-pressure-on-maduro-c813500a?st=iQ7GrY

Disagreeing with the legality or necessity of Trump’s actions does not automatically make someone a supporter of Maduro. What a stupid thing to conclude.


Gosh, how stupid to take people at their word! One of you was saying they hope that Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran take out one of OUR ships. Trump's action here was completely legal and absolutely necessary. But because "Trump" did it (and not, say, Biden), you reflexively have to condemn his actions. I suggest you educate yourself.

"President Trump is finally taking action beyond rhetorical threats to squeeze Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro out of power. The U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off the Venezuelan coast hits the dictator in the pocketbook, which is why he is screaming so loudly.

U.S. officials say the ship was flying under the flag of Guyana though it isn’t registered there. The U.S. Treasury previously sanctioned the ship for smuggling Iranian oil. There’s no doubt about the legality of the seizure, as it was executed with a warrant."

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/venezuela-oil-tanker-seizure-nicolas-maduro-donald-trump-maria-corina-machado-ff8e77dd?st=RxhEw4&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


None of that makes people who disagree with what Trump is doing “supporters” of Maduro.


It is the pro Israeli thing. If you do not support Israel you are Hamas. If you do not support Trump you Maduro or Ukraine. Same people making the same argument.


Well if you don't support the invasion of Venezuela, you are pro-Hamas according to Venezuelan opposition leader and Nobel peace prize winner Maria Corina Machado.

She has claimed Hamas was active in her country when the question of a US invasion was raised.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/11/world/americas/maria-corina-machado-nobel-venezuela-maduro-trump.html


So anyone opposed to this invasion is antisemitic and must silenced.


Probably, Israel has a strong motive to be pushing for this invasion whether it's removing Maduro due to how pro-Palestinian position calling out Israel's genocide in Gaza which could cause similar sentiments throughout Latin America, weakening Iran's oil position and grip on the strait of Hormuz, and preventing trade between Venezuela and Iran.

Israel already has a Zionist/Netanyahu noble peace prize puppet ready to go.
Anonymous
Post 12/20/2025 20:09     Subject: Re:US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

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Post 12/16/2025 20:36     Subject: Re:US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

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Venezuela has ZERO lawful claim here. None.


That is false. Trump and republicans seizing a tanking is lawless.


This ship has been sanctioned since way back during the Biden administration. It’s only now that we’re actually doing something about it. Of course it’s legal to seize a sanctioned ship participating in illegal activities. But do continue displaying your ignorance.


Sleep Joe Biden? Surely you jest. So you are blaming this f up and lawless action on Biden now? At what point do you actually take responsibility for your actions?


Sorry, what are you babbling about now? The ship has been sanctioned since Biden's administration. There has been no lawless action - quite the contrary, in fact. Glad this ship can no longer illegally transport oil to terrorists. Interesting that you're not.


DP What’s actually astonishing is your ability to suspend disbelief and believe literally anything our government tells us at this point. Like, “illegally transport oil to terrorists” … zero confidence in the ability of State to tell the truth, so why on earth would I believe them here?


DP

I’ve been worried about China and their cronies using Venezuela for years.

Why?

Because China has amassed a big foothold in the Caribbean, including land, buildings, businesses, and ports. They are directly across from Venezuela in the ABC islands, directly across from Florida in the Bahamas, and in several islands in between.

It’s all fun and games when terror ground and the countries that bankroll them are far away in the Middle East, but it’s quite different when they are so close and have been shipping things for many years. Oil is one thing: a commodity that fuels terror groups. But it’s not far fetched to wonder what weapons have been shipped. Or people.


You are crazy.


DP.

And you are an idiot when it comes to global geopolitical issues.

The PP is correct. And you’re a fool.


Go back to Fox and Twitter. You maga people have no credibility.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 19:16     Subject: US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

I'm not one to quickly believe in conspiracy theories about us attacking Venezuela on a made up provocation to distract from the Epstein files, but the timing of all this is not helping me convince myself that it's not true.
Anonymous
Post 12/16/2025 19:03     Subject: US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

Trump: "Venezuela is completely surrounded by the largest Armada ever assembled ... It will only get bigger, and the shock to them will be like nothing they have ever seen before — Until such time as they return to the USA all of the Oil, Land, and other Assets that they previously stole from us."


American Public: What oil, what land, what assets did Venezuela steal from the US? And when?
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2025 01:52     Subject: Re:US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:This was a Dark-Fleet ship, not a Venezuelan tanker.


+1

Venezuela has ZERO lawful claim here. None.


That is false. Trump and republicans seizing a tanking is lawless.


This ship has been sanctioned since way back during the Biden administration. It’s only now that we’re actually doing something about it. Of course it’s legal to seize a sanctioned ship participating in illegal activities. But do continue displaying your ignorance.


Sleep Joe Biden? Surely you jest. So you are blaming this f up and lawless action on Biden now? At what point do you actually take responsibility for your actions?


Sorry, what are you babbling about now? The ship has been sanctioned since Biden's administration. There has been no lawless action - quite the contrary, in fact. Glad this ship can no longer illegally transport oil to terrorists. Interesting that you're not.


DP What’s actually astonishing is your ability to suspend disbelief and believe literally anything our government tells us at this point. Like, “illegally transport oil to terrorists” … zero confidence in the ability of State to tell the truth, so why on earth would I believe them here?


DP

I’ve been worried about China and their cronies using Venezuela for years.

Why?

Because China has amassed a big foothold in the Caribbean, including land, buildings, businesses, and ports. They are directly across from Venezuela in the ABC islands, directly across from Florida in the Bahamas, and in several islands in between.

It’s all fun and games when terror ground and the countries that bankroll them are far away in the Middle East, but it’s quite different when they are so close and have been shipping things for many years. Oil is one thing: a commodity that fuels terror groups. But it’s not far fetched to wonder what weapons have been shipped. Or people.


You are crazy.


DP.

And you are an idiot when it comes to global geopolitical issues.

The PP is correct. And you’re a fool.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2025 17:49     Subject: US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

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Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?


They already have. Trump and the republicans believe in “zones of influence” as per New National Defense Strategy. This means the US can do anything(target and murder civilians, blow of boats in territorial or international waters, take any cargo it want without compensation, etc.) within its declared zone. China and Europe can do the same. Sorry Taiwan. Russia being a weak and poor country is not able to project power and therefore can not control a zone.

So yes this is the new world order. The free navigation of the seas and rule of law are no more. When the US invades and occupies Venezuela we will be able to extract oil without paying royalties to the locals. We also can take anything.


This administration is hell-bent on dismantling the command-and-control structures of narco-trafficking routes that funnel illicit drugs in to the U.S. and have contributed to the drug-death catastrophe that kills 100,000 Americans every year.

Just think of it as Washington DC regulations for your pet agendas that you know and love so much. In short, FAFO.


It's a fool's errand to think that drug flow can be meaningfully interrupted, but then again we all know Trump is a fool. Where this is demand, there is a way.


"If it saves even one life..." - every democrat.


Exactly what I was going to say. You’d think Democrats would be applauding the effort to disrupt the drug trade in the Americas… but no. They’re lamenting the fact that someone finally has the guts to do something. Just incredible.
DP


The problem with leading a corrupt, incompetent, and traitorous administration is that people tend to stop believing you. Not that Trump would ever do anything to help America, but if he ever did (even accidentally) no one would believe it.


Sounds like a you problem. Normal people without a political axe to grind are able to understand nuance and avoid knee-jerk reactions.


You don’t seem to understand anything, really. It’s just as embarrassing as this
dumpster fire of an administration.

It will be deeply satisfying when these murderers end up where they belong


So, just to recap: you and your fellow Democrats, who are clutching your pearls because the U.S. actually decided to ACT, are supporters of the Maduro regime. As if we didn’t already know that.

Recent Nobel Prize winner, Maria Corina Machado has only praise for the actions of the Trump administration.

OSLO—Venezuela’s Nobel Peace Prize laureate praised the U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off her country’s coast, saying it was necessary to choke the finances of the Maduro regime to aid the fight for democracy.

Speaking in Oslo a day after she completed her daring escape from Venezuela, opposition leader María Corina Machado evaded reporters’ questions about possible U.S. military action against her country, but said President Trump had shown the regime, for the first time, that its actions wouldn’t go unpunished.

The regime previously thought that they could do anything. They felt they had absolute impunity. They could torture. They could disappear. They could sexually assault young women,” Machado said on Thursday. “Now they start to understand that it’s serious and the world is really watching.”

https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/venezuelan-nobel-laureate-praises-trump-pressure-on-maduro-c813500a?st=iQ7GrY

Disagreeing with the legality or necessity of Trump’s actions does not automatically make someone a supporter of Maduro. What a stupid thing to conclude.


Gosh, how stupid to take people at their word! One of you was saying they hope that Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran take out one of OUR ships. Trump's action here was completely legal and absolutely necessary. But because "Trump" did it (and not, say, Biden), you reflexively have to condemn his actions. I suggest you educate yourself.

"President Trump is finally taking action beyond rhetorical threats to squeeze Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro out of power. The U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off the Venezuelan coast hits the dictator in the pocketbook, which is why he is screaming so loudly.

U.S. officials say the ship was flying under the flag of Guyana though it isn’t registered there. The U.S. Treasury previously sanctioned the ship for smuggling Iranian oil. There’s no doubt about the legality of the seizure, as it was executed with a warrant."

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/venezuela-oil-tanker-seizure-nicolas-maduro-donald-trump-maria-corina-machado-ff8e77dd?st=RxhEw4&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


None of that makes people who disagree with what Trump is doing “supporters” of Maduro.


It is the pro Israeli thing. If you do not support Israel you are Hamas. If you do not support Trump you Maduro or Ukraine. Same people making the same argument.


The way you call anyone who disagrees with you - or Democrats in general - "MAGA"? Got it.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2025 17:48     Subject: US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?


They already have. Trump and the republicans believe in “zones of influence” as per New National Defense Strategy. This means the US can do anything(target and murder civilians, blow of boats in territorial or international waters, take any cargo it want without compensation, etc.) within its declared zone. China and Europe can do the same. Sorry Taiwan. Russia being a weak and poor country is not able to project power and therefore can not control a zone.

So yes this is the new world order. The free navigation of the seas and rule of law are no more. When the US invades and occupies Venezuela we will be able to extract oil without paying royalties to the locals. We also can take anything.


This administration is hell-bent on dismantling the command-and-control structures of narco-trafficking routes that funnel illicit drugs in to the U.S. and have contributed to the drug-death catastrophe that kills 100,000 Americans every year.

Just think of it as Washington DC regulations for your pet agendas that you know and love so much. In short, FAFO.


It's a fool's errand to think that drug flow can be meaningfully interrupted, but then again we all know Trump is a fool. Where this is demand, there is a way.


"If it saves even one life..." - every democrat.


Exactly what I was going to say. You’d think Democrats would be applauding the effort to disrupt the drug trade in the Americas… but no. They’re lamenting the fact that someone finally has the guts to do something. Just incredible.
DP


The problem with leading a corrupt, incompetent, and traitorous administration is that people tend to stop believing you. Not that Trump would ever do anything to help America, but if he ever did (even accidentally) no one would believe it.


Sounds like a you problem. Normal people without a political axe to grind are able to understand nuance and avoid knee-jerk reactions.


You don’t seem to understand anything, really. It’s just as embarrassing as this
dumpster fire of an administration.

It will be deeply satisfying when these murderers end up where they belong


So, just to recap: you and your fellow Democrats, who are clutching your pearls because the U.S. actually decided to ACT, are supporters of the Maduro regime. As if we didn’t already know that.

Recent Nobel Prize winner, Maria Corina Machado has only praise for the actions of the Trump administration.

OSLO—Venezuela’s Nobel Peace Prize laureate praised the U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off her country’s coast, saying it was necessary to choke the finances of the Maduro regime to aid the fight for democracy.

Speaking in Oslo a day after she completed her daring escape from Venezuela, opposition leader María Corina Machado evaded reporters’ questions about possible U.S. military action against her country, but said President Trump had shown the regime, for the first time, that its actions wouldn’t go unpunished.

The regime previously thought that they could do anything. They felt they had absolute impunity. They could torture. They could disappear. They could sexually assault young women,” Machado said on Thursday. “Now they start to understand that it’s serious and the world is really watching.”

https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/venezuelan-nobel-laureate-praises-trump-pressure-on-maduro-c813500a?st=iQ7GrY

Disagreeing with the legality or necessity of Trump’s actions does not automatically make someone a supporter of Maduro. What a stupid thing to conclude.


Gosh, how stupid to take people at their word! One of you was saying they hope that Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran take out one of OUR ships. Trump's action here was completely legal and absolutely necessary. But because "Trump" did it (and not, say, Biden), you reflexively have to condemn his actions. I suggest you educate yourself.

"President Trump is finally taking action beyond rhetorical threats to squeeze Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro out of power. The U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off the Venezuelan coast hits the dictator in the pocketbook, which is why he is screaming so loudly.

U.S. officials say the ship was flying under the flag of Guyana though it isn’t registered there. The U.S. Treasury previously sanctioned the ship for smuggling Iranian oil. There’s no doubt about the legality of the seizure, as it was executed with a warrant."

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/venezuela-oil-tanker-seizure-nicolas-maduro-donald-trump-maria-corina-machado-ff8e77dd?st=RxhEw4&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


None of that makes people who disagree with what Trump is doing “supporters” of Maduro.


Yet I have no doubt you call anyone who disagrees with you, "MAGA".
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2025 16:05     Subject: US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?


They already have. Trump and the republicans believe in “zones of influence” as per New National Defense Strategy. This means the US can do anything(target and murder civilians, blow of boats in territorial or international waters, take any cargo it want without compensation, etc.) within its declared zone. China and Europe can do the same. Sorry Taiwan. Russia being a weak and poor country is not able to project power and therefore can not control a zone.

So yes this is the new world order. The free navigation of the seas and rule of law are no more. When the US invades and occupies Venezuela we will be able to extract oil without paying royalties to the locals. We also can take anything.


This administration is hell-bent on dismantling the command-and-control structures of narco-trafficking routes that funnel illicit drugs in to the U.S. and have contributed to the drug-death catastrophe that kills 100,000 Americans every year.

Just think of it as Washington DC regulations for your pet agendas that you know and love so much. In short, FAFO.


It's a fool's errand to think that drug flow can be meaningfully interrupted, but then again we all know Trump is a fool. Where this is demand, there is a way.


"If it saves even one life..." - every democrat.


Exactly what I was going to say. You’d think Democrats would be applauding the effort to disrupt the drug trade in the Americas… but no. They’re lamenting the fact that someone finally has the guts to do something. Just incredible.
DP


The problem with leading a corrupt, incompetent, and traitorous administration is that people tend to stop believing you. Not that Trump would ever do anything to help America, but if he ever did (even accidentally) no one would believe it.


Sounds like a you problem. Normal people without a political axe to grind are able to understand nuance and avoid knee-jerk reactions.


You don’t seem to understand anything, really. It’s just as embarrassing as this
dumpster fire of an administration.

It will be deeply satisfying when these murderers end up where they belong


So, just to recap: you and your fellow Democrats, who are clutching your pearls because the U.S. actually decided to ACT, are supporters of the Maduro regime. As if we didn’t already know that.

Recent Nobel Prize winner, Maria Corina Machado has only praise for the actions of the Trump administration.

OSLO—Venezuela’s Nobel Peace Prize laureate praised the U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off her country’s coast, saying it was necessary to choke the finances of the Maduro regime to aid the fight for democracy.

Speaking in Oslo a day after she completed her daring escape from Venezuela, opposition leader María Corina Machado evaded reporters’ questions about possible U.S. military action against her country, but said President Trump had shown the regime, for the first time, that its actions wouldn’t go unpunished.

The regime previously thought that they could do anything. They felt they had absolute impunity. They could torture. They could disappear. They could sexually assault young women,” Machado said on Thursday. “Now they start to understand that it’s serious and the world is really watching.”

https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/venezuelan-nobel-laureate-praises-trump-pressure-on-maduro-c813500a?st=iQ7GrY

Disagreeing with the legality or necessity of Trump’s actions does not automatically make someone a supporter of Maduro. What a stupid thing to conclude.


Gosh, how stupid to take people at their word! One of you was saying they hope that Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran take out one of OUR ships. Trump's action here was completely legal and absolutely necessary. But because "Trump" did it (and not, say, Biden), you reflexively have to condemn his actions. I suggest you educate yourself.

"President Trump is finally taking action beyond rhetorical threats to squeeze Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro out of power. The U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off the Venezuelan coast hits the dictator in the pocketbook, which is why he is screaming so loudly.

U.S. officials say the ship was flying under the flag of Guyana though it isn’t registered there. The U.S. Treasury previously sanctioned the ship for smuggling Iranian oil. There’s no doubt about the legality of the seizure, as it was executed with a warrant."

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/venezuela-oil-tanker-seizure-nicolas-maduro-donald-trump-maria-corina-machado-ff8e77dd?st=RxhEw4&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


None of that makes people who disagree with what Trump is doing “supporters” of Maduro.


It is the pro Israeli thing. If you do not support Israel you are Hamas. If you do not support Trump you Maduro or Ukraine. Same people making the same argument.


It's an argument that only works for low-IQ people with poor skills in logic and reasoning. The choices aren't binary. One can oppose Israel and NOT be "pro-Hamas." One can criticize Trump's actions in the Caribbean and NOT be "pro-Maduro."
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2025 13:41     Subject: Re:US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This was a Dark-Fleet ship, not a Venezuelan tanker.


+1

Venezuela has ZERO lawful claim here. None.


That is false. Trump and republicans seizing a tanking is lawless.


This ship has been sanctioned since way back during the Biden administration. It’s only now that we’re actually doing something about it. Of course it’s legal to seize a sanctioned ship participating in illegal activities. But do continue displaying your ignorance.


Sleep Joe Biden? Surely you jest. So you are blaming this f up and lawless action on Biden now? At what point do you actually take responsibility for your actions?


Sorry, what are you babbling about now? The ship has been sanctioned since Biden's administration. There has been no lawless action - quite the contrary, in fact. Glad this ship can no longer illegally transport oil to terrorists. Interesting that you're not.


DP What’s actually astonishing is your ability to suspend disbelief and believe literally anything our government tells us at this point. Like, “illegally transport oil to terrorists” … zero confidence in the ability of State to tell the truth, so why on earth would I believe them here?


DP

I’ve been worried about China and their cronies using Venezuela for years.

Why?

Because China has amassed a big foothold in the Caribbean, including land, buildings, businesses, and ports. They are directly across from Venezuela in the ABC islands, directly across from Florida in the Bahamas, and in several islands in between.

It’s all fun and games when terror ground and the countries that bankroll them are far away in the Middle East, but it’s quite different when they are so close and have been shipping things for many years. Oil is one thing: a commodity that fuels terror groups. But it’s not far fetched to wonder what weapons have been shipped. Or people.


China does not need the oil. They have reduced their demand for oil while growing their economy. Texas refineries want that heavy crude.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2025 13:37     Subject: US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?


They already have. Trump and the republicans believe in “zones of influence” as per New National Defense Strategy. This means the US can do anything(target and murder civilians, blow of boats in territorial or international waters, take any cargo it want without compensation, etc.) within its declared zone. China and Europe can do the same. Sorry Taiwan. Russia being a weak and poor country is not able to project power and therefore can not control a zone.

So yes this is the new world order. The free navigation of the seas and rule of law are no more. When the US invades and occupies Venezuela we will be able to extract oil without paying royalties to the locals. We also can take anything.


This administration is hell-bent on dismantling the command-and-control structures of narco-trafficking routes that funnel illicit drugs in to the U.S. and have contributed to the drug-death catastrophe that kills 100,000 Americans every year.

Just think of it as Washington DC regulations for your pet agendas that you know and love so much. In short, FAFO.


It's a fool's errand to think that drug flow can be meaningfully interrupted, but then again we all know Trump is a fool. Where this is demand, there is a way.


"If it saves even one life..." - every democrat.


Exactly what I was going to say. You’d think Democrats would be applauding the effort to disrupt the drug trade in the Americas… but no. They’re lamenting the fact that someone finally has the guts to do something. Just incredible.
DP


The problem with leading a corrupt, incompetent, and traitorous administration is that people tend to stop believing you. Not that Trump would ever do anything to help America, but if he ever did (even accidentally) no one would believe it.


Sounds like a you problem. Normal people without a political axe to grind are able to understand nuance and avoid knee-jerk reactions.


You don’t seem to understand anything, really. It’s just as embarrassing as this
dumpster fire of an administration.

It will be deeply satisfying when these murderers end up where they belong


So, just to recap: you and your fellow Democrats, who are clutching your pearls because the U.S. actually decided to ACT, are supporters of the Maduro regime. As if we didn’t already know that.

Recent Nobel Prize winner, Maria Corina Machado has only praise for the actions of the Trump administration.

OSLO—Venezuela’s Nobel Peace Prize laureate praised the U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off her country’s coast, saying it was necessary to choke the finances of the Maduro regime to aid the fight for democracy.

Speaking in Oslo a day after she completed her daring escape from Venezuela, opposition leader María Corina Machado evaded reporters’ questions about possible U.S. military action against her country, but said President Trump had shown the regime, for the first time, that its actions wouldn’t go unpunished.

The regime previously thought that they could do anything. They felt they had absolute impunity. They could torture. They could disappear. They could sexually assault young women,” Machado said on Thursday. “Now they start to understand that it’s serious and the world is really watching.”

https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/venezuelan-nobel-laureate-praises-trump-pressure-on-maduro-c813500a?st=iQ7GrY

Disagreeing with the legality or necessity of Trump’s actions does not automatically make someone a supporter of Maduro. What a stupid thing to conclude.


Gosh, how stupid to take people at their word! One of you was saying they hope that Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran take out one of OUR ships. Trump's action here was completely legal and absolutely necessary. But because "Trump" did it (and not, say, Biden), you reflexively have to condemn his actions. I suggest you educate yourself.

"President Trump is finally taking action beyond rhetorical threats to squeeze Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro out of power. The U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off the Venezuelan coast hits the dictator in the pocketbook, which is why he is screaming so loudly.

U.S. officials say the ship was flying under the flag of Guyana though it isn’t registered there. The U.S. Treasury previously sanctioned the ship for smuggling Iranian oil. There’s no doubt about the legality of the seizure, as it was executed with a warrant."

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/venezuela-oil-tanker-seizure-nicolas-maduro-donald-trump-maria-corina-machado-ff8e77dd?st=RxhEw4&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


None of that makes people who disagree with what Trump is doing “supporters” of Maduro.


It is the pro Israeli thing. If you do not support Israel you are Hamas. If you do not support Trump you Maduro or Ukraine. Same people making the same argument.


Well if you don't support the invasion of Venezuela, you are pro-Hamas according to Venezuelan opposition leader and Nobel peace prize winner Maria Corina Machado.

She has claimed Hamas was active in her country when the question of a US invasion was raised.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/11/world/americas/maria-corina-machado-nobel-venezuela-maduro-trump.html


So anyone opposed to this invasion is antisemitic and must silenced.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2025 12:50     Subject: US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

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Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?


They already have. Trump and the republicans believe in “zones of influence” as per New National Defense Strategy. This means the US can do anything(target and murder civilians, blow of boats in territorial or international waters, take any cargo it want without compensation, etc.) within its declared zone. China and Europe can do the same. Sorry Taiwan. Russia being a weak and poor country is not able to project power and therefore can not control a zone.

So yes this is the new world order. The free navigation of the seas and rule of law are no more. When the US invades and occupies Venezuela we will be able to extract oil without paying royalties to the locals. We also can take anything.


This administration is hell-bent on dismantling the command-and-control structures of narco-trafficking routes that funnel illicit drugs in to the U.S. and have contributed to the drug-death catastrophe that kills 100,000 Americans every year.

Just think of it as Washington DC regulations for your pet agendas that you know and love so much. In short, FAFO.


It's a fool's errand to think that drug flow can be meaningfully interrupted, but then again we all know Trump is a fool. Where this is demand, there is a way.


"If it saves even one life..." - every democrat.


Exactly what I was going to say. You’d think Democrats would be applauding the effort to disrupt the drug trade in the Americas… but no. They’re lamenting the fact that someone finally has the guts to do something. Just incredible.
DP


The problem with leading a corrupt, incompetent, and traitorous administration is that people tend to stop believing you. Not that Trump would ever do anything to help America, but if he ever did (even accidentally) no one would believe it.


Sounds like a you problem. Normal people without a political axe to grind are able to understand nuance and avoid knee-jerk reactions.


You don’t seem to understand anything, really. It’s just as embarrassing as this
dumpster fire of an administration.

It will be deeply satisfying when these murderers end up where they belong


So, just to recap: you and your fellow Democrats, who are clutching your pearls because the U.S. actually decided to ACT, are supporters of the Maduro regime. As if we didn’t already know that.

Recent Nobel Prize winner, Maria Corina Machado has only praise for the actions of the Trump administration.

OSLO—Venezuela’s Nobel Peace Prize laureate praised the U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off her country’s coast, saying it was necessary to choke the finances of the Maduro regime to aid the fight for democracy.

Speaking in Oslo a day after she completed her daring escape from Venezuela, opposition leader María Corina Machado evaded reporters’ questions about possible U.S. military action against her country, but said President Trump had shown the regime, for the first time, that its actions wouldn’t go unpunished.

The regime previously thought that they could do anything. They felt they had absolute impunity. They could torture. They could disappear. They could sexually assault young women,” Machado said on Thursday. “Now they start to understand that it’s serious and the world is really watching.”

https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/venezuelan-nobel-laureate-praises-trump-pressure-on-maduro-c813500a?st=iQ7GrY

Disagreeing with the legality or necessity of Trump’s actions does not automatically make someone a supporter of Maduro. What a stupid thing to conclude.


Gosh, how stupid to take people at their word! One of you was saying they hope that Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran take out one of OUR ships. Trump's action here was completely legal and absolutely necessary. But because "Trump" did it (and not, say, Biden), you reflexively have to condemn his actions. I suggest you educate yourself.

"President Trump is finally taking action beyond rhetorical threats to squeeze Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro out of power. The U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off the Venezuelan coast hits the dictator in the pocketbook, which is why he is screaming so loudly.

U.S. officials say the ship was flying under the flag of Guyana though it isn’t registered there. The U.S. Treasury previously sanctioned the ship for smuggling Iranian oil. There’s no doubt about the legality of the seizure, as it was executed with a warrant."

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/venezuela-oil-tanker-seizure-nicolas-maduro-donald-trump-maria-corina-machado-ff8e77dd?st=RxhEw4&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


None of that makes people who disagree with what Trump is doing “supporters” of Maduro.


It is the pro Israeli thing. If you do not support Israel you are Hamas. If you do not support Trump you Maduro or Ukraine. Same people making the same argument.


Well if you don't support the invasion of Venezuela, you are pro-Hamas according to Venezuelan opposition leader and Nobel peace prize winner Maria Corina Machado.

She has claimed Hamas was active in her country when the question of a US invasion was raised.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/11/world/americas/maria-corina-machado-nobel-venezuela-maduro-trump.html
Anonymous
Post 12/13/2025 12:06     Subject: Re:US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

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Venezuela has ZERO lawful claim here. None.


That is false. Trump and republicans seizing a tanking is lawless.


This ship has been sanctioned since way back during the Biden administration. It’s only now that we’re actually doing something about it. Of course it’s legal to seize a sanctioned ship participating in illegal activities. But do continue displaying your ignorance.


Sleep Joe Biden? Surely you jest. So you are blaming this f up and lawless action on Biden now? At what point do you actually take responsibility for your actions?


Sorry, what are you babbling about now? The ship has been sanctioned since Biden's administration. There has been no lawless action - quite the contrary, in fact. Glad this ship can no longer illegally transport oil to terrorists. Interesting that you're not.


DP What’s actually astonishing is your ability to suspend disbelief and believe literally anything our government tells us at this point. Like, “illegally transport oil to terrorists” … zero confidence in the ability of State to tell the truth, so why on earth would I believe them here?


DP

I’ve been worried about China and their cronies using Venezuela for years.

Why?

Because China has amassed a big foothold in the Caribbean, including land, buildings, businesses, and ports. They are directly across from Venezuela in the ABC islands, directly across from Florida in the Bahamas, and in several islands in between.

It’s all fun and games when terror ground and the countries that bankroll them are far away in the Middle East, but it’s quite different when they are so close and have been shipping things for many years. Oil is one thing: a commodity that fuels terror groups. But it’s not far fetched to wonder what weapons have been shipped. Or people.


You are crazy.
Anonymous
Post 12/13/2025 12:04     Subject: US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?


They already have. Trump and the republicans believe in “zones of influence” as per New National Defense Strategy. This means the US can do anything(target and murder civilians, blow of boats in territorial or international waters, take any cargo it want without compensation, etc.) within its declared zone. China and Europe can do the same. Sorry Taiwan. Russia being a weak and poor country is not able to project power and therefore can not control a zone.

So yes this is the new world order. The free navigation of the seas and rule of law are no more. When the US invades and occupies Venezuela we will be able to extract oil without paying royalties to the locals. We also can take anything.


This administration is hell-bent on dismantling the command-and-control structures of narco-trafficking routes that funnel illicit drugs in to the U.S. and have contributed to the drug-death catastrophe that kills 100,000 Americans every year.

Just think of it as Washington DC regulations for your pet agendas that you know and love so much. In short, FAFO.


It's a fool's errand to think that drug flow can be meaningfully interrupted, but then again we all know Trump is a fool. Where this is demand, there is a way.


"If it saves even one life..." - every democrat.


Exactly what I was going to say. You’d think Democrats would be applauding the effort to disrupt the drug trade in the Americas… but no. They’re lamenting the fact that someone finally has the guts to do something. Just incredible.
DP


The problem with leading a corrupt, incompetent, and traitorous administration is that people tend to stop believing you. Not that Trump would ever do anything to help America, but if he ever did (even accidentally) no one would believe it.


Sounds like a you problem. Normal people without a political axe to grind are able to understand nuance and avoid knee-jerk reactions.


You don’t seem to understand anything, really. It’s just as embarrassing as this
dumpster fire of an administration.

It will be deeply satisfying when these murderers end up where they belong


So, just to recap: you and your fellow Democrats, who are clutching your pearls because the U.S. actually decided to ACT, are supporters of the Maduro regime. As if we didn’t already know that.

Recent Nobel Prize winner, Maria Corina Machado has only praise for the actions of the Trump administration.

OSLO—Venezuela’s Nobel Peace Prize laureate praised the U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off her country’s coast, saying it was necessary to choke the finances of the Maduro regime to aid the fight for democracy.

Speaking in Oslo a day after she completed her daring escape from Venezuela, opposition leader María Corina Machado evaded reporters’ questions about possible U.S. military action against her country, but said President Trump had shown the regime, for the first time, that its actions wouldn’t go unpunished.

The regime previously thought that they could do anything. They felt they had absolute impunity. They could torture. They could disappear. They could sexually assault young women,” Machado said on Thursday. “Now they start to understand that it’s serious and the world is really watching.”

https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/venezuelan-nobel-laureate-praises-trump-pressure-on-maduro-c813500a?st=iQ7GrY

Disagreeing with the legality or necessity of Trump’s actions does not automatically make someone a supporter of Maduro. What a stupid thing to conclude.


Gosh, how stupid to take people at their word! One of you was saying they hope that Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran take out one of OUR ships. Trump's action here was completely legal and absolutely necessary. But because "Trump" did it (and not, say, Biden), you reflexively have to condemn his actions. I suggest you educate yourself.

"President Trump is finally taking action beyond rhetorical threats to squeeze Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro out of power. The U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off the Venezuelan coast hits the dictator in the pocketbook, which is why he is screaming so loudly.

U.S. officials say the ship was flying under the flag of Guyana though it isn’t registered there. The U.S. Treasury previously sanctioned the ship for smuggling Iranian oil. There’s no doubt about the legality of the seizure, as it was executed with a warrant."

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/venezuela-oil-tanker-seizure-nicolas-maduro-donald-trump-maria-corina-machado-ff8e77dd?st=RxhEw4&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


None of that makes people who disagree with what Trump is doing “supporters” of Maduro.


It is the pro Israeli thing. If you do not support Israel you are Hamas. If you do not support Trump you Maduro or Ukraine. Same people making the same argument.
Anonymous
Post 12/13/2025 07:35     Subject: US seizes oil tanker Venezuela

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?


They already have. Trump and the republicans believe in “zones of influence” as per New National Defense Strategy. This means the US can do anything(target and murder civilians, blow of boats in territorial or international waters, take any cargo it want without compensation, etc.) within its declared zone. China and Europe can do the same. Sorry Taiwan. Russia being a weak and poor country is not able to project power and therefore can not control a zone.

So yes this is the new world order. The free navigation of the seas and rule of law are no more. When the US invades and occupies Venezuela we will be able to extract oil without paying royalties to the locals. We also can take anything.


This administration is hell-bent on dismantling the command-and-control structures of narco-trafficking routes that funnel illicit drugs in to the U.S. and have contributed to the drug-death catastrophe that kills 100,000 Americans every year.

Just think of it as Washington DC regulations for your pet agendas that you know and love so much. In short, FAFO.


It's a fool's errand to think that drug flow can be meaningfully interrupted, but then again we all know Trump is a fool. Where this is demand, there is a way.


"If it saves even one life..." - every democrat.


Exactly what I was going to say. You’d think Democrats would be applauding the effort to disrupt the drug trade in the Americas… but no. They’re lamenting the fact that someone finally has the guts to do something. Just incredible.
DP


The problem with leading a corrupt, incompetent, and traitorous administration is that people tend to stop believing you. Not that Trump would ever do anything to help America, but if he ever did (even accidentally) no one would believe it.


Sounds like a you problem. Normal people without a political axe to grind are able to understand nuance and avoid knee-jerk reactions.


You don’t seem to understand anything, really. It’s just as embarrassing as this
dumpster fire of an administration.

It will be deeply satisfying when these murderers end up where they belong


So, just to recap: you and your fellow Democrats, who are clutching your pearls because the U.S. actually decided to ACT, are supporters of the Maduro regime. As if we didn’t already know that.

Recent Nobel Prize winner, Maria Corina Machado has only praise for the actions of the Trump administration.

OSLO—Venezuela’s Nobel Peace Prize laureate praised the U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off her country’s coast, saying it was necessary to choke the finances of the Maduro regime to aid the fight for democracy.

Speaking in Oslo a day after she completed her daring escape from Venezuela, opposition leader María Corina Machado evaded reporters’ questions about possible U.S. military action against her country, but said President Trump had shown the regime, for the first time, that its actions wouldn’t go unpunished.

The regime previously thought that they could do anything. They felt they had absolute impunity. They could torture. They could disappear. They could sexually assault young women,” Machado said on Thursday. “Now they start to understand that it’s serious and the world is really watching.”

https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/venezuelan-nobel-laureate-praises-trump-pressure-on-maduro-c813500a?st=iQ7GrY

Disagreeing with the legality or necessity of Trump’s actions does not automatically make someone a supporter of Maduro. What a stupid thing to conclude.


Gosh, how stupid to take people at their word! One of you was saying they hope that Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran take out one of OUR ships. Trump's action here was completely legal and absolutely necessary. But because "Trump" did it (and not, say, Biden), you reflexively have to condemn his actions. I suggest you educate yourself.

"President Trump is finally taking action beyond rhetorical threats to squeeze Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro out of power. The U.S. seizure of an oil tanker off the Venezuelan coast hits the dictator in the pocketbook, which is why he is screaming so loudly.

U.S. officials say the ship was flying under the flag of Guyana though it isn’t registered there. The U.S. Treasury previously sanctioned the ship for smuggling Iranian oil. There’s no doubt about the legality of the seizure, as it was executed with a warrant."

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/venezuela-oil-tanker-seizure-nicolas-maduro-donald-trump-maria-corina-machado-ff8e77dd?st=RxhEw4&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink


None of that makes people who disagree with what Trump is doing “supporters” of Maduro.