Anonymous wrote:I have not heard good things about DCI. Their test scores are better than other public MS and HS in the city, but you would expect that based on demographics. From parents who actually have kids there, I have heard that there are staffing issues, the kids spend too much time on Chromebooks, and that beyond the language opportunities which of course are highly valued by families who attend DCI charters, people are not very impressed. There is a perception it is better than their IB MS and HS, but we are talking about families who live in Brookland, LeDroit Parks etc. -- they don't have good IB options for elementary school, much less MS and HS.

As for Capitol Hill families (of which we are one), the main advantage of DCI is the HS option, given how weak Eastern continues to be. However, for MS, DCI seems no better than Stuart-Hobson, beyond the language options. If you look at the "growth to proficiency" ratings on the report card site, S-H and DCI have similar scores. For us, S-H is much closer and offers my kids the option of attending school with neighbors, and participating in activities with kids they've known since they were in kindergarten. S-H has the clear edge.

Neither of these school is amazing, and there are both charter and DCPS options that are worse (I wouldn't send my kid to Two Rivers Young or to Wheatley Education Campus for middle, for instance).

You can find better test scores at upper NW schools though for white and students who are not economically disadvantaged, Deal and Hardy don't do much better -- they just have smaller percentages of students who are economically disadvantaged.

I don't say this to boost S-H -- we are looking at privates for MS and if we get into Latin for 5th we're going there (on the fence about BASIS, I think I'm leaning towards S-H but I don't know, it's a tough choice). Latin is appealing to me because I really like their HS program and like the overall educational approach which is academically challenging but not insanely intense, with good balance. But I don't look at DCI and wish we'd sent our kids to one of the immersion characters we did in fact get into for PK, which would have required long commutes and where I have some reluctance about foundational academics.

So from my perspective as a DC parent, charters have no real advantage over DCPS. There are some good charters but they aren't light years better than our DCPS option -- they are about the same for elementary and middle and then better for HS but not light years better.

I feel bad for the DCI families we know who live on the Hill IB for good elementaries and decent middles, who have spent the last 8 years commuting to Brookland or NW only to be disappointed in DCI. Their kids speak a second language, which is awesome and I know they value that, but it hasn't just solved education for them. All of the DCI families we know are looking at privates right now, just like we are. Which is too bad, honestly.

Public education in DC is hard.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a solution to the problem with schools in this city. But as an educated UMC family EOTP, charters are what kept us in the city to make it work.

We were at an immersion charter and now at DCI as a new family this year. We were at an event this weekend and met a number of other DCI families and wow the backgrounds of these families were impressive - lawyers, CIO, educational executives, etc…. It was also a very diverse group with blacks, white, asians.

It is quite obvious to me now that educated UMC families of all backgrounds and ethnicities are congregating and coalescing among the few acceptable charters for middle school EOTP. It is not by chance that there were so many accomplished families in one event.

If I could send my kid to Stuart-Hobson I totally would. DC is at a supposedly desirable EOTP charter but meh.

I think this is the same Stuart Hobson booster but if it’s a real post I invite you do so some research on the school. It’s objectively a poor performing school.

It’s really not. It has a good OSSE report card with solid performance and growth scores. Its top kids do well on tests and in HS admissions, while having a very robust MS experience with great ECs and truly excellent performance arts. It’s not an accident that SH got over 20 kids into Duke last year. I’m not sure why anyone thinks there’s on SH booster.

Duke Ellington is a performing arts school. It’s not an academic powerhouse. I mean I am thrilled if kids who are good at performance do well here, but the reality is that SH has very little to do with it. Furthermore, the “honors” classes are not even grade level. Kids do really poorly on standardized tests. “Truly excellent” performing arts is 100% in the eye of the booster. I’m glad you’re happy but I’m really glad my kids don’t attend Stuart Hobson.

Anonymous wrote:I have not heard good things about DCI. Their test scores are better than other public MS and HS in the city, but you would expect that based on demographics. From parents who actually have kids there, I have heard that there are staffing issues, the kids spend too much time on Chromebooks, and that beyond the language opportunities which of course are highly valued by families who attend DCI charters, people are not very impressed. There is a perception it is better than their IB MS and HS, but we are talking about families who live in Brookland, LeDroit Parks etc. -- they don't have good IB options for elementary school, much less MS and HS.

As for Capitol Hill families (of which we are one), the main advantage of DCI is the HS option, given how weak Eastern continues to be. However, for MS, DCI seems no better than Stuart-Hobson, beyond the language options. If you look at the "growth to proficiency" ratings on the report card site, S-H and DCI have similar scores. For us, S-H is much closer and offers my kids the option of attending school with neighbors, and participating in activities with kids they've known since they were in kindergarten. S-H has the clear edge.

Neither of these school is amazing, and there are both charter and DCPS options that are worse (I wouldn't send my kid to Two Rivers Young or to Wheatley Education Campus for middle, for instance).

You can find better test scores at upper NW schools though for white and students who are not economically disadvantaged, Deal and Hardy don't do much better -- they just have smaller percentages of students who are economically disadvantaged.

I don't say this to boost S-H -- we are looking at privates for MS and if we get into Latin for 5th we're going there (on the fence about BASIS, I think I'm leaning towards S-H but I don't know, it's a tough choice). Latin is appealing to me because I really like their HS program and like the overall educational approach which is academically challenging but not insanely intense, with good balance. But I don't look at DCI and wish we'd sent our kids to one of the immersion characters we did in fact get into for PK, which would have required long commutes and where I have some reluctance about foundational academics.

So from my perspective as a DC parent, charters have no real advantage over DCPS. There are some good charters but they aren't light years better than our DCPS option -- they are about the same for elementary and middle and then better for HS but not light years better.

I feel bad for the DCI families we know who live on the Hill IB for good elementaries and decent middles, who have spent the last 8 years commuting to Brookland or NW only to be disappointed in DCI. Their kids speak a second language, which is awesome and I know they value that, but it hasn't just solved education for them. All of the DCI families we know are looking at privates right now, just like we are. Which is too bad, honestly.

Public education in DC is hard.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a solution to the problem with schools in this city. But as an educated UMC family EOTP, charters are what kept us in the city to make it work.

We were at an immersion charter and now at DCI as a new family this year. We were at an event this weekend and met a number of other DCI families and wow the backgrounds of these families were impressive - lawyers, CIO, educational executives, etc…. It was also a very diverse group with blacks, white, asians.

It is quite obvious to me now that educated UMC families of all backgrounds and ethnicities are congregating and coalescing among the few acceptable charters for middle school EOTP. It is not by chance that there were so many accomplished families in one event.

If I could send my kid to Stuart-Hobson I totally would. DC is at a supposedly desirable EOTP charter but meh.

I think this is the same Stuart Hobson booster but if it’s a real post I invite you do so some research on the school. It’s objectively a poor performing school.

It’s really not. It has a good OSSE report card with solid performance and growth scores. Its top kids do well on tests and in HS admissions, while having a very robust MS experience with great ECs and truly excellent performance arts. It’s not an accident that SH got over 20 kids into Duke last year. I’m not sure why anyone thinks there’s on SH booster.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a solution to the problem with schools in this city. But as an educated UMC family EOTP, charters are what kept us in the city to make it work.

We were at an immersion charter and now at DCI as a new family this year. We were at an event this weekend and met a number of other DCI families and wow the backgrounds of these families were impressive - lawyers, CIO, educational executives, etc…. It was also a very diverse group with blacks, white, asians.

It is quite obvious to me now that educated UMC families of all backgrounds and ethnicities are congregating and coalescing among the few acceptable charters for middle school EOTP. It is not by chance that there were so many accomplished families in one event.

If I could send my kid to Stuart-Hobson I totally would. DC is at a supposedly desirable EOTP charter but meh.

I think this is the same Stuart Hobson booster but if it’s a real post I invite you do so some research on the school. It’s objectively a poor performing school.

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Anonymous wrote:Banneker and School Without Walls are the top high schools. Lots of DCPS elementary schools at the top of the ratings. For the charters, Latin, Friendship and Center City have campuses in the top.

The official OSSE site is here https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/home.
It may be easier to navigate the information on the EmpowerK12 site https://www.empowerk12.org/dc-accountability-scores-dashboard.

Looks like BASIS and Walls have the best numbers. However, Basis is 100% lottery and Walls selects its students.

Is BASIS really a lottery if they kick kids out who don’t pass their many tests? Walls can’t do that…

Basis does not kick out kids, they just don't pass them unless they actually pass. I haven't heard of anyone not passing in high school at Basis. I have also not heard of Walls accepting any kids who aren't passing in middle school.

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Walls only accepts straight A kids.

Yes but the cohort of kids are from mediocre schools. No I do not think a kid getting an A at dcps “honors” math is the same as a kid at basis, or the accelerated track at DCI.

Um they get higher SAT scores than DCI and have higher test scores. Mediocre, ok lol.

Walks has higher SAT scores because they are a selective school and DCI is not.

But if you actually dig deep into the details, Walls is around 1300 and DCI 1200 but DCI does not reject its kids, has higher at risk, much higher SPED and ELL.

The SAT scores at Walks will trend down as the academic cohort weakens with the new admissions screening. We already see that where almost 1/3rd of the kids are not even in grade level with CAPE.

As to the other DCPS high schoolls except JR, their SAT averages are abysmal like 900’s

Why *aren’t the ‘super bright’ kids at DCI doing better then?

Also all charters are selective, they can get rid of kids after count day and DCPS must receive them. This is a fact.

Oh and ALL the charter schools are scoring so well :roll:

You don’t have to convince me that DCPS is doing poorly but so are charters schools overall.

If charters were really the solution instead of part of the problem we’d have no need for DCPS. But the problem is the mayor, chancellor, and council members.

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Anonymous wrote:Banneker and School Without Walls are the top high schools. Lots of DCPS elementary schools at the top of the ratings. For the charters, Latin, Friendship and Center City have campuses in the top.

The official OSSE site is here https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/home.
It may be easier to navigate the information on the EmpowerK12 site https://www.empowerk12.org/dc-accountability-scores-dashboard.

Looks like BASIS and Walls have the best numbers. However, Basis is 100% lottery and Walls selects its students.

Is BASIS really a lottery if they kick kids out who don’t pass their many tests? Walls can’t do that…

Basis does not kick out kids, they just don't pass them unless they actually pass. I haven't heard of anyone not passing in high school at Basis. I have also not heard of Walls accepting any kids who aren't passing in middle school.

lol.

Walls only accepts straight A kids.

Yes but the cohort of kids are from mediocre schools. No I do not think a kid getting an A at dcps “honors” math is the same as a kid at basis, or the accelerated track at DCI.

Ha! You are really desperate for a flex if you are trying to stratify all-lottery DCI and Basis over DCPS middle schools. The differences are just not that great. It's not like you are comparing community college yo MIT.

Also, most Walls students come from the biggest middle schools--Deal and Hardy.

Anonymous wrote:I have not heard good things about DCI. Their test scores are better than other public MS and HS in the city, but you would expect that based on demographics. From parents who actually have kids there, I have heard that there are staffing issues, the kids spend too much time on Chromebooks, and that beyond the language opportunities which of course are highly valued by families who attend DCI charters, people are not very impressed. There is a perception it is better than their IB MS and HS, but we are talking about families who live in Brookland, LeDroit Parks etc. -- they don't have good IB options for elementary school, much less MS and HS.

As for Capitol Hill families (of which we are one), the main advantage of DCI is the HS option, given how weak Eastern continues to be. However, for MS, DCI seems no better than Stuart-Hobson, beyond the language options. If you look at the "growth to proficiency" ratings on the report card site, S-H and DCI have similar scores. For us, S-H is much closer and offers my kids the option of attending school with neighbors, and participating in activities with kids they've known since they were in kindergarten. S-H has the clear edge.

Neither of these school is amazing, and there are both charter and DCPS options that are worse (I wouldn't send my kid to Two Rivers Young or to Wheatley Education Campus for middle, for instance).

You can find better test scores at upper NW schools though for white and students who are not economically disadvantaged, Deal and Hardy don't do much better -- they just have smaller percentages of students who are economically disadvantaged.

I don't say this to boost S-H -- we are looking at privates for MS and if we get into Latin for 5th we're going there (on the fence about BASIS, I think I'm leaning towards S-H but I don't know, it's a tough choice). Latin is appealing to me because I really like their HS program and like the overall educational approach which is academically challenging but not insanely intense, with good balance. But I don't look at DCI and wish we'd sent our kids to one of the immersion characters we did in fact get into for PK, which would have required long commutes and where I have some reluctance about foundational academics.

So from my perspective as a DC parent, charters have no real advantage over DCPS. There are some good charters but they aren't light years better than our DCPS option -- they are about the same for elementary and middle and then better for HS but not light years better.

I feel bad for the DCI families we know who live on the Hill IB for good elementaries and decent middles, who have spent the last 8 years commuting to Brookland or NW only to be disappointed in DCI. Their kids speak a second language, which is awesome and I know they value that, but it hasn't just solved education for them. All of the DCI families we know are looking at privates right now, just like we are. Which is too bad, honestly.

Public education in DC is hard.

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Anonymous wrote:Banneker and School Without Walls are the top high schools. Lots of DCPS elementary schools at the top of the ratings. For the charters, Latin, Friendship and Center City have campuses in the top.

The official OSSE site is here https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/home.
It may be easier to navigate the information on the EmpowerK12 site https://www.empowerk12.org/dc-accountability-scores-dashboard.

Looks like BASIS and Walls have the best numbers. However, Basis is 100% lottery and Walls selects its students.

Is BASIS really a lottery if they kick kids out who don’t pass their many tests? Walls can’t do that…

Basis does not kick out kids, they just don't pass them unless they actually pass. I haven't heard of anyone not passing in high school at Basis. I have also not heard of Walls accepting any kids who aren't passing in middle school.

lol.

Walls only accepts straight A kids.

Yes but the cohort of kids are from mediocre schools. No I do not think a kid getting an A at dcps “honors” math is the same as a kid at basis, or the accelerated track at DCI.

Um they get higher SAT scores than DCI and have higher test scores. Mediocre, ok lol.

Walks has higher SAT scores because they are a selective school and DCI is not.

But if you actually dig deep into the details, Walls is around 1300 and DCI 1200 but DCI does not reject its kids, has higher at risk, much higher SPED and ELL.

The SAT scores at Walks will trend down as the academic cohort weakens with the new admissions screening. We already see that where almost 1/3rd of the kids are not even in grade level with CAPE.

As to the other DCPS high schoolls except JR, their SAT averages are abysmal like 900’s

Why *aren’t the ‘super bright’ kids at DCI doing better then?

Also all charters are selective, they can get rid of kids after count day and DCPS must receive them. This is a fact.

Oh and ALL the charter schools are scoring so well :roll:

You don’t have to convince me that DCPS is doing poorly but so are charters schools overall.

If charters were really the solution instead of part of the problem we’d have no need for DCPS. But the problem is the mayor, chancellor, and council members.

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Anonymous wrote:Banneker and School Without Walls are the top high schools. Lots of DCPS elementary schools at the top of the ratings. For the charters, Latin, Friendship and Center City have campuses in the top.

The official OSSE site is here https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/home.
It may be easier to navigate the information on the EmpowerK12 site https://www.empowerk12.org/dc-accountability-scores-dashboard.

Looks like BASIS and Walls have the best numbers. However, Basis is 100% lottery and Walls selects its students.

Is BASIS really a lottery if they kick kids out who don’t pass their many tests? Walls can’t do that…

Basis does not kick out kids, they just don't pass them unless they actually pass. I haven't heard of anyone not passing in high school at Basis. I have also not heard of Walls accepting any kids who aren't passing in middle school.

lol.

Walls only accepts straight A kids.

Yes but the cohort of kids are from mediocre schools. No I do not think a kid getting an A at dcps “honors” math is the same as a kid at basis, or the accelerated track at DCI.

Um they get higher SAT scores than DCI and have higher test scores. Mediocre, ok lol.

Walks has higher SAT scores because they are a selective school and DCI is not.

But if you actually dig deep into the details, Walls is around 1300 and DCI 1200 but DCI does not reject its kids, has higher at risk, much higher SPED and ELL.

The SAT scores at Walks will trend down as the academic cohort weakens with the new admissions screening. We already see that where almost 1/3rd of the kids are not even in grade level with CAPE.

As to the other DCPS high schoolls except JR, their SAT averages are abysmal like 900’s

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Anonymous wrote:Banneker and School Without Walls are the top high schools. Lots of DCPS elementary schools at the top of the ratings. For the charters, Latin, Friendship and Center City have campuses in the top.

The official OSSE site is here https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/home.
It may be easier to navigate the information on the EmpowerK12 site https://www.empowerk12.org/dc-accountability-scores-dashboard.

Looks like BASIS and Walls have the best numbers. However, Basis is 100% lottery and Walls selects its students.

Is BASIS really a lottery if they kick kids out who don’t pass their many tests? Walls can’t do that…

Basis does not kick out kids, they just don't pass them unless they actually pass. I haven't heard of anyone not passing in high school at Basis. I have also not heard of Walls accepting any kids who aren't passing in middle school.

lol.

Walls only accepts straight A kids.

Yes but the cohort of kids are from mediocre schools. No I do not think a kid getting an A at dcps “honors” math is the same as a kid at basis, or the accelerated track at DCI.

Um they get higher SAT scores than DCI and have higher test scores. Mediocre, ok lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Banneker and School Without Walls are the top high schools. Lots of DCPS elementary schools at the top of the ratings. For the charters, Latin, Friendship and Center City have campuses in the top.

The official OSSE site is here https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/home.
It may be easier to navigate the information on the EmpowerK12 site https://www.empowerk12.org/dc-accountability-scores-dashboard.

Looks like BASIS and Walls have the best numbers. However, Basis is 100% lottery and Walls selects its students.

Is BASIS really a lottery if they kick kids out who don’t pass their many tests? Walls can’t do that…

Basis does not kick out kids, they just don't pass them unless they actually pass. I haven't heard of anyone not passing in high school at Basis. I have also not heard of Walls accepting any kids who aren't passing in middle school.

lol.

Walls only accepts straight A kids.

Yes but the cohort of kids are from mediocre schools. No I do not think a kid getting an A at dcps “honors” math is the same as a kid at basis, or the accelerated track at DCI.

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Anonymous wrote:Banneker and School Without Walls are the top high schools. Lots of DCPS elementary schools at the top of the ratings. For the charters, Latin, Friendship and Center City have campuses in the top.

The official OSSE site is here https://schoolreportcard.dc.gov/home.
It may be easier to navigate the information on the EmpowerK12 site https://www.empowerk12.org/dc-accountability-scores-dashboard.

Looks like BASIS and Walls have the best numbers. However, Basis is 100% lottery and Walls selects its students.

Is BASIS really a lottery if they kick kids out who don’t pass their many tests? Walls can’t do that…

Basis does not kick out kids, they just don't pass them unless they actually pass. I haven't heard of anyone not passing in high school at Basis. I have also not heard of Walls accepting any kids who aren't passing in middle school.

lol.

Walls only accepts straight A kids.

Yes but the cohort of kids are from mediocre schools. No I do not think a kid getting an A at dcps “honors” math is the same as a kid at basis, or the accelerated track at DCI.