Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It has been proven time and time and time again that the achievement gap is tied to income and parental involvement. There is no substitute for those things, no matter how hard to the government tries. They will just continue to flush money down the toilet.

So your approach is to give up and not try to address disparities?

How are you supposed to address lack of parental involvement? You can’t make parents care.

You are correct. You can't make parents "care", but you can provide a carrot and stick approach to parenting. It would require something as simple as conditioning any federal assistance that a person or family receives who has a child under 18 to undergo a mandatory course (and completion) on parenting. What the course constitutes could be developed, but it would likely include learning about character, respect, accountability, whole-child development, communication skills, and social emotional learning. After course completion, there would be a cycle of regular check ups (maybe annually) with a social worker (or something similar). The school that the child attends would also be included in reporting out progress on the student. Failure to meet certain requirements would result in loss of all federal assistance. Programs that would qualify could include CHIP, Medicaid, TANF, free and reduced price lunch, etc.

The point is to discuss solutions to problems not to keep complaining and give up because you think there is no way to fix something.

Some of the people who think they are the best parents are the worst.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It has been proven time and time and time again that the achievement gap is tied to income and parental involvement. There is no substitute for those things, no matter how hard to the government tries. They will just continue to flush money down the toilet.

So your approach is to give up and not try to address disparities?

How are you supposed to address lack of parental involvement? You can’t make parents care.

You are correct. You can't make parents "care", but you can provide a carrot and stick approach to parenting. It would require something as simple as conditioning any federal assistance that a person or family receives who has a child under 18 to undergo a mandatory course (and completion) on parenting. What the course constitutes could be developed, but it would likely include learning about character, respect, accountability, whole-child development, communication skills, and social emotional learning. After course completion, there would be a cycle of regular check ups (maybe annually) with a social worker (or something similar). The school that the child attends would also be included in reporting out progress on the student. Failure to meet certain requirements would result in loss of all federal assistance. Programs that would qualify could include CHIP, Medicaid, TANF, free and reduced price lunch, etc.

The point is to discuss solutions to problems not to keep complaining and give up because you think there is no way to fix something.

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Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

After our personal experience watching the once-great FCPS circle the drain and crumble around our teens, I agree that public education in the U.S. has indeed been ruined.

All the while: the U.S. Department of Education was fully funded. The departments existence only made the problems worse.

I am a democrat who supports education but I am glad to see the department dissolved.

Wrong. FCPS is the problem. I've worked in other states and FCPS is the issue not the department of education.

You’re not wrong but not right either. As others have mentioned, school districts operate independently from dept of education and their issues such as with FCPS are due to poor leadership.

The dept of education is simply unnecessary and wastes millions of dollars adding no value in educating children.

You seem to have zero knowledge of history. Prior to the civil rights era, the federal government had little involvement in education. However, due to segregation, it was necessary to intervene to end long standing discrimination. Every child deserves a chance at a quality education. The role of the US Dept of Ed is aimed at trying to ensure that. They are not perfect by no means. And, yes, there have been flawed policies.

Also, in a globally connected world, it is stupid to think that the education of a populace is not directly tied into the overall innovation and competitiveness of the country. Thus, it IS an issue for us as a nation if entire states are not educating their children.

Education outcomes for students of all races have only declined since the dept of education was established.

You really should educate yourself before spouting nonsense.

This is a bipartisan issue. Anyone who works in education knows that the Dept of Education does more harm than good.

The only people who want to keep it are ideological know-nothings who have never stepped foot in classroom,

+ a milliion

And, I am a former career teacher with 35 years of experience.
The Dept. of Ed has not educated ONE child. Not one. It is a bureaucratic "pass through." Get rid of it. The few beneficial duties they are responsible for can easily be accomplished by other agencies.

The dept's job was never to educate children. That is the job of teachers in the classroom.

The dept is supposed to hold states accountable for taxpayer dollars. It boggles my mind that conservatives think that having zero accountability is a good idea.

All these data points that are being raised are invaluable for showing that there are flaws in our education system.

You don't even see the irony of your statement.
Given that achievement in ALL AREAS has declined significantly since the formation of the Dept. of Ed it is clear that they have failed in their supposed mission to hold states accountable.

One - data is data. It is important to have indicators. Two - the data shows that your entire premise - achievement in all areas has declined significantly since USED was created is FALSE.

For example - https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-18-154 This report notes that key indicators of K-12 student achievement had improved from 1980 through 2015. There is an obvious post-covid impact and slight decline, but this completely undermines your opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

After our personal experience watching the once-great FCPS circle the drain and crumble around our teens, I agree that public education in the U.S. has indeed been ruined.

All the while: the U.S. Department of Education was fully funded. The departments existence only made the problems worse.

I am a democrat who supports education but I am glad to see the department dissolved.

Wrong. FCPS is the problem. I've worked in other states and FCPS is the issue not the department of education.

You’re not wrong but not right either. As others have mentioned, school districts operate independently from dept of education and their issues such as with FCPS are due to poor leadership.

The dept of education is simply unnecessary and wastes millions of dollars adding no value in educating children.

You seem to have zero knowledge of history. Prior to the civil rights era, the federal government had little involvement in education. However, due to segregation, it was necessary to intervene to end long standing discrimination. Every child deserves a chance at a quality education. The role of the US Dept of Ed is aimed at trying to ensure that. They are not perfect by no means. And, yes, there have been flawed policies.

Also, in a globally connected world, it is stupid to think that the education of a populace is not directly tied into the overall innovation and competitiveness of the country. Thus, it IS an issue for us as a nation if entire states are not educating their children.

Education outcomes for students of all races have only declined since the dept of education was established.

You really should educate yourself before spouting nonsense.

This is a bipartisan issue. Anyone who works in education knows that the Dept of Education does more harm than good.

The only people who want to keep it are ideological know-nothings who have never stepped foot in classroom,

+ a milliion

And, I am a former career teacher with 35 years of experience.
The Dept. of Ed has not educated ONE child. Not one. It is a bureaucratic "pass through." Get rid of it. The few beneficial duties they are responsible for can easily be accomplished by other agencies.

The dept's job was never to educate children. That is the job of teachers in the classroom.

The dept is supposed to hold states accountable for taxpayer dollars. It boggles my mind that conservatives think that having zero accountability is a good idea.

All these data points that are being raised are invaluable for showing that there are flaws in our education system.

You don't even see the irony of your statement.
Given that achievement in ALL AREAS has declined significantly since the formation of the Dept. of Ed it is clear that they have failed in their supposed mission to hold states accountable.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

After our personal experience watching the once-great FCPS circle the drain and crumble around our teens, I agree that public education in the U.S. has indeed been ruined.

All the while: the U.S. Department of Education was fully funded. The departments existence only made the problems worse.

I am a democrat who supports education but I am glad to see the department dissolved.

Wrong. FCPS is the problem. I've worked in other states and FCPS is the issue not the department of education.

You’re not wrong but not right either. As others have mentioned, school districts operate independently from dept of education and their issues such as with FCPS are due to poor leadership.

The dept of education is simply unnecessary and wastes millions of dollars adding no value in educating children.

You seem to have zero knowledge of history. Prior to the civil rights era, the federal government had little involvement in education. However, due to segregation, it was necessary to intervene to end long standing discrimination. Every child deserves a chance at a quality education. The role of the US Dept of Ed is aimed at trying to ensure that. They are not perfect by no means. And, yes, there have been flawed policies.

Also, in a globally connected world, it is stupid to think that the education of a populace is not directly tied into the overall innovation and competitiveness of the country. Thus, it IS an issue for us as a nation if entire states are not educating their children.

Education outcomes for students of all races have only declined since the dept of education was established.

You really should educate yourself before spouting nonsense.

This is a bipartisan issue. Anyone who works in education knows that the Dept of Education does more harm than good.

The only people who want to keep it are ideological know-nothings who have never stepped foot in classroom,

+ a milliion

And, I am a former career teacher with 35 years of experience.
The Dept. of Ed has not educated ONE child. Not one. It is a bureaucratic "pass through." Get rid of it. The few beneficial duties they are responsible for can easily be accomplished by other agencies.

The dept's job was never to educate children. That is the job of teachers in the classroom.

The dept is supposed to hold states accountable for taxpayer dollars. It boggles my mind that conservatives think that having zero accountability is a good idea.

All these data points that are being raised are invaluable for showing that there are flaws in our education system.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

After our personal experience watching the once-great FCPS circle the drain and crumble around our teens, I agree that public education in the U.S. has indeed been ruined.

All the while: the U.S. Department of Education was fully funded. The departments existence only made the problems worse.

I am a democrat who supports education but I am glad to see the department dissolved.

Wrong. FCPS is the problem. I've worked in other states and FCPS is the issue not the department of education.

You’re not wrong but not right either. As others have mentioned, school districts operate independently from dept of education and their issues such as with FCPS are due to poor leadership.

The dept of education is simply unnecessary and wastes millions of dollars adding no value in educating children.

You seem to have zero knowledge of history. Prior to the civil rights era, the federal government had little involvement in education. However, due to segregation, it was necessary to intervene to end long standing discrimination. Every child deserves a chance at a quality education. The role of the US Dept of Ed is aimed at trying to ensure that. They are not perfect by no means. And, yes, there have been flawed policies.

Also, in a globally connected world, it is stupid to think that the education of a populace is not directly tied into the overall innovation and competitiveness of the country. Thus, it IS an issue for us as a nation if entire states are not educating their children.

Education outcomes for students of all races have only declined since the dept of education was established.

You really should educate yourself before spouting nonsense.

This is a bipartisan issue. Anyone who works in education knows that the Dept of Education does more harm than good.

The only people who want to keep it are ideological know-nothings who have never stepped foot in classroom,

+ a milliion

And, I am a former career teacher with 35 years of experience.
The Dept. of Ed has not educated ONE child. Not one. It is a bureaucratic "pass through." Get rid of it. The few beneficial duties they are responsible for can easily be accomplished by other agencies.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

After our personal experience watching the once-great FCPS circle the drain and crumble around our teens, I agree that public education in the U.S. has indeed been ruined.

All the while: the U.S. Department of Education was fully funded. The departments existence only made the problems worse.

I am a democrat who supports education but I am glad to see the department dissolved.

Wrong. FCPS is the problem. I've worked in other states and FCPS is the issue not the department of education.

You’re not wrong but not right either. As others have mentioned, school districts operate independently from dept of education and their issues such as with FCPS are due to poor leadership.

The dept of education is simply unnecessary and wastes millions of dollars adding no value in educating children.

You seem to have zero knowledge of history. Prior to the civil rights era, the federal government had little involvement in education. However, due to segregation, it was necessary to intervene to end long standing discrimination. Every child deserves a chance at a quality education. The role of the US Dept of Ed is aimed at trying to ensure that. They are not perfect by no means. And, yes, there have been flawed policies.

Also, in a globally connected world, it is stupid to think that the education of a populace is not directly tied into the overall innovation and competitiveness of the country. Thus, it IS an issue for us as a nation if entire states are not educating their children.

Education outcomes for students of all races have only declined since the dept of education was established.

You really should educate yourself before spouting nonsense.

This is a bipartisan issue. Anyone who works in education knows that the Dept of Education does more harm than good.

The only people who want to keep it are ideological know-nothings who have never stepped foot in classroom,

NP.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:Trump loves the poorly educated.

Hey, idiot, how’s the education going in all these blue cities? Despite spending billions of dollars on public schools, the test scores are getting worse. But Dem mayors, governors, & school boards do nothing to fix the schools. Democrats: If it’s broke, don’t fix it.

You don’t even know what Trump is proposing. Elementary education will be in the Dept of Labor — interesting choice isn’t it, since Trump loves the Gilded Age.

Also, here’s the patriotic AI slop your kids will be indoctrinated with: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-indoctrination-in-k-12-schooling/

You can’t seriously think an authoritarian is going to give up control, do you?

Anonymous wrote:Trump loves the poorly educated.

Hey, idiot, how’s the education going in all these blue cities? Despite spending billions of dollars on public schools, the test scores are getting worse. But Dem mayors, governors, & school boards do nothing to fix the schools. Democrats: If it’s broke, don’t fix it.

Here’s another I should add: your “superior” education will be patriotic propaganda.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-indoctrination-in-k-12-schooling/

Don’t fight for the Dept of Education at your own risk.

Oh, and here’s my receipt for my last claim.

https://prospect.org/2025/11/19/trump-administration-quietly-preparing-to-bring-back-school-segregation/

I love how confident people here are in their state to provide a superior education for their kids that isn’t segregated.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

After our personal experience watching the once-great FCPS circle the drain and crumble around our teens, I agree that public education in the U.S. has indeed been ruined.

All the while: the U.S. Department of Education was fully funded. The departments existence only made the problems worse.

I am a democrat who supports education but I am glad to see the department dissolved.

Wrong. FCPS is the problem. I've worked in other states and FCPS is the issue not the department of education.

You’re not wrong but not right either. As others have mentioned, school districts operate independently from dept of education and their issues such as with FCPS are due to poor leadership.

The dept of education is simply unnecessary and wastes millions of dollars adding no value in educating children.

You seem to have zero knowledge of history. Prior to the civil rights era, the federal government had little involvement in education. However, due to segregation, it was necessary to intervene to end long standing discrimination. Every child deserves a chance at a quality education. The role of the US Dept of Ed is aimed at trying to ensure that. They are not perfect by no means. And, yes, there have been flawed policies.

Also, in a globally connected world, it is stupid to think that the education of a populace is not directly tied into the overall innovation and competitiveness of the country. Thus, it IS an issue for us as a nation if entire states are not educating their children.

Education outcomes for students of all races have only declined since the dept of education was established.

You really should educate yourself before spouting nonsense.

This is a bipartisan issue. Anyone who works in education knows that the Dept of Education does more harm than good.

The only people who want to keep it are ideological know-nothings who have never stepped foot in classroom,

NP

If the Department of Ed is failing then why not fix it? Plus, I don't believe it's true to say Department of Ed has failed in every area in the first place. For example, Department of Ed has had demonstrable success rates in reducing dropout rates, improving college access through Pell grants, improved transparency via the College Scorecard, reduced predatory student loan programs, has improved special ed outcomes via IDEA, expanded pre-K programs. improved school safety and emergency preparedness, improved data collection and statistics about education in the US, supported free lunch programs, and so on.

Meanwhile I'd wager 90% of MAGAs aren't even aware of any of that and wants Department of Ed gone because of their delusional beliefs like "litter boxes for students who identify as cat gender" and "they want weird Common Core math" and crap like that which doesn't actually have anything to do with Department of Ed.

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For example, Department of Ed has had demonstrable success rates in reducing dropout rates, improving college access through Pell grants, improved transparency via the College Scorecard, reduced predatory student loan programs, has improved special ed outcomes via IDEA, expanded pre-K programs. improved school safety and emergency preparedness, improved data collection and statistics about education in the US, supported free lunch programs, and so on
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Did you get this list from chatGPT. Most of it is meaningless and a perfect example of wasted taxpayer funds.

Improved data collection?
Improved transparency?

Who cares when many school districts have cohorts of 9th graders that can’t read.

What special ed outcomes have improved specifically? Special ed in particular is the most breathtaking fraud waste and abuse of funds that I have seen.

You’re clearly an uninformed ideologue who has no experience in the public education system.

Education outcomes are abysmal and only getting worse.

Student proficiency levels have stagnated or declined since the early 1990s, with fourth- and eighth-grade reading proficiency at an average of 30%–31%. Math proficiency for both grades peaked in 2013 (42% for fourth grade and 35% for eighth grade) but has declined to 39% (fourth grade) and 28% (eighth grade).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

After our personal experience watching the once-great FCPS circle the drain and crumble around our teens, I agree that public education in the U.S. has indeed been ruined.

All the while: the U.S. Department of Education was fully funded. The departments existence only made the problems worse.

I am a democrat who supports education but I am glad to see the department dissolved.

Wrong. FCPS is the problem. I've worked in other states and FCPS is the issue not the department of education.

You’re not wrong but not right either. As others have mentioned, school districts operate independently from dept of education and their issues such as with FCPS are due to poor leadership.

The dept of education is simply unnecessary and wastes millions of dollars adding no value in educating children.

You seem to have zero knowledge of history. Prior to the civil rights era, the federal government had little involvement in education. However, due to segregation, it was necessary to intervene to end long standing discrimination. Every child deserves a chance at a quality education. The role of the US Dept of Ed is aimed at trying to ensure that. They are not perfect by no means. And, yes, there have been flawed policies.

Also, in a globally connected world, it is stupid to think that the education of a populace is not directly tied into the overall innovation and competitiveness of the country. Thus, it IS an issue for us as a nation if entire states are not educating their children.

Education outcomes for students of all races have only declined since the dept of education was established.

You really should educate yourself before spouting nonsense.

This is a bipartisan issue. Anyone who works in education knows that the Dept of Education does more harm than good.

The only people who want to keep it are ideological know-nothings who have never stepped foot in classroom,

NP

If the Department of Ed is failing then why not fix it? Plus, I don't believe it's true to say Department of Ed has failed in every area in the first place. For example, Department of Ed has had demonstrable success rates in reducing dropout rates, improving college access through Pell grants, improved transparency via the College Scorecard, reduced predatory student loan programs, has improved special ed outcomes via IDEA, expanded pre-K programs. improved school safety and emergency preparedness, improved data collection and statistics about education in the US, supported free lunch programs, and so on.

Meanwhile I'd wager 90% of MAGAs aren't even aware of any of that and wants Department of Ed gone because of their delusional beliefs like "litter boxes for students who identify as cat gender" and "they want weird Common Core math" and crap like that which doesn't actually have anything to do with Department of Ed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public education has been ruined for years. Let it crash and burn and we’ll start over.

After our personal experience watching the once-great FCPS circle the drain and crumble around our teens, I agree that public education in the U.S. has indeed been ruined.

All the while: the U.S. Department of Education was fully funded. The departments existence only made the problems worse.

I am a democrat who supports education but I am glad to see the department dissolved.

Wrong. FCPS is the problem. I've worked in other states and FCPS is the issue not the department of education.

You’re not wrong but not right either. As others have mentioned, school districts operate independently from dept of education and their issues such as with FCPS are due to poor leadership.

The dept of education is simply unnecessary and wastes millions of dollars adding no value in educating children.

You seem to have zero knowledge of history. Prior to the civil rights era, the federal government had little involvement in education. However, due to segregation, it was necessary to intervene to end long standing discrimination. Every child deserves a chance at a quality education. The role of the US Dept of Ed is aimed at trying to ensure that. They are not perfect by no means. And, yes, there have been flawed policies.

Also, in a globally connected world, it is stupid to think that the education of a populace is not directly tied into the overall innovation and competitiveness of the country. Thus, it IS an issue for us as a nation if entire states are not educating their children.

Education outcomes for students of all races have only declined since the dept of education was established.

You really should educate yourself before spouting nonsense.

This is a bipartisan issue. Anyone who works in education knows that the Dept of Education does more harm than good.

The only people who want to keep it are ideological know-nothings who have never stepped foot in classroom,