Anonymous wrote:I was sick recently so I spent the day at home. My DH works from home a few days per week. He could eat when he wanted (even during a meeting because he wasn't required to have his camera on), go to the bathroom when he wanted, take breaks when he wanted, etc. All of that there is priceless. The loudest part of his day was the sound of the leaf blower next door for 10 minutes.

I asked him how his day at work differed and aside from the commute, he said it was mostly the same.

No wonder he isn't dead tired at the end of every work day like I am. Teaching is extremely overstimulating. Everything about your work day is very micromanaged (when you eat, when you can use the bathroom, what you do during your planning time). The only free time is my lunch. Very different working environments and while he has been in the same industry for about the same time as I've taught, he earns more three times my salary (and he has a 4 yr degree and I have two Master's).

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Anonymous wrote:The teachers aren’t well trained either. They present worksheets with incorrect spelling. They don’t know how to teach phonics. They are poor in math skills and even poorer in explaining concepts. They don’t understand higher level math and how they should be better supporting it. They don’t prepare kids adequately for the next grade. They are inexperienced and think that grabbing worksheets off TpT website is a best practice! I’ve not seen much creativity in the method of teaching in 9+ years.

I think this is correct, but I also think there are too many kids in a normal class that are quite literally incapable of learning at grade level and it sidetracks the whole class. I don’t know which problem came first

I went to Harvard and I have also have a Masters degree in my subject. Not an M. Ed, but a "real" Masters degree. I understand my subject better than the majority of the parents of my students AND my students' AP exam scores are consistently higher than those of any other teachers' classes at our school.

But it is very clear to me that the majority of parents view me as a sort of unintelligent servant. This is why I'm moving out of the profession. You people wonder why there are so many inexperienced young teachers who struggle with subject content? It's because you make the conditions of the job so miserable that anybody with options gets out.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting teacher threads are always filled with teachers claiming they work 60+ hours a week, but there's always a delay in grading, sending communication, etc. 🤔

You have no idea how much BS teachers have to deal with. Learning support meetings. Team meetings. Grade level meetings. Department meetings. Curriculum change meetings. Faculty professional development. If you're at a private school, teachers often have to run clubs, attend games and faculty events, and coach.

But that’s a lot of jobs even if the packaging is different. I work in a client facing job, and I have plenty of admin work, projects I am “voluntold” to work on, etc. what makes teachers so different or special?

There’s zero room for promotion or pay raises in teaching. Presumably many people do all the extra voluntold BS in their careers to impress higher ups and potentially get a bonus at the end of year for meeting sales targets or hitting some metric, or add it to their resume for the next career move. There is no “up” in teaching unless you want to completely remove yourself from the classroom and go into administration (arguably a completely different field). Roles like “team lead” or “department chair” or “club lead” are just more work with no extra time/money/privileges that come with the title. It’s just “teach all your same classes AND find time to plan a meeting and organize logistics for a team of adults too”.

If there was no such thing as a raise or a bonus or a promotion for good performance, would you still work as hard at all the extras in your job? I don’t think many people would. It’s impressive so many teachers do. There is zero external motivation, it’s all internal.

I think your impression of private sector is a bit off, many companies level out quickly. I work for a F500 and people are told to do extra for no extra pay or are in fear of losing their job and there are no step increases guaranteed like in teaching. Client service is exactly the same. More work where you are paid a set salary and told to figure it out. I'm not saying teaching is not hard or that the world hasn't changed.... but what I am saying is that it's really no different than any other job? We adapt or we decide we don't want to do it anymore and move on.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting teacher threads are always filled with teachers claiming they work 60+ hours a week, but there's always a delay in grading, sending communication, etc. 🤔

You have no idea how much BS teachers have to deal with. Learning support meetings. Team meetings. Grade level meetings. Department meetings. Curriculum change meetings. Faculty professional development. If you're at a private school, teachers often have to run clubs, attend games and faculty events, and coach.

But that’s a lot of jobs even if the packaging is different. I work in a client facing job, and I have plenty of admin work, projects I am “voluntold” to work on, etc. what makes teachers so different or special?

There’s zero room for promotion or pay raises in teaching. Presumably many people do all the extra voluntold BS in their careers to impress higher ups and potentially get a bonus at the end of year for meeting sales targets or hitting some metric, or add it to their resume for the next career move. There is no “up” in teaching unless you want to completely remove yourself from the classroom and go into administration (arguably a completely different field). Roles like “team lead” or “department chair” or “club lead” are just more work with no extra time/money/privileges that come with the title. It’s just “teach all your same classes AND find time to plan a meeting and organize logistics for a team of adults too”.

If there was no such thing as a raise or a bonus or a promotion for good performance, would you still work as hard at all the extras in your job? I don’t think many people would. It’s impressive so many teachers do. There is zero external motivation, it’s all internal.

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Anonymous wrote:The teachers aren’t well trained either. They present worksheets with incorrect spelling. They don’t know how to teach phonics. They are poor in math skills and even poorer in explaining concepts. They don’t understand higher level math and how they should be better supporting it. They don’t prepare kids adequately for the next grade. They are inexperienced and think that grabbing worksheets off TpT website is a best practice! I’ve not seen much creativity in the method of teaching in 9+ years.

I think this is correct, but I also think there are too many kids in a normal class that are quite literally incapable of learning at grade level and it sidetracks the whole class. I don’t know which problem came first

I went to Harvard and I have also have a Masters degree in my subject. Not an M. Ed, but a "real" Masters degree. I understand my subject better than the majority of the parents of my students AND my students' AP exam scores are consistently higher than those of any other teachers' classes at our school.

But it is very clear to me that the majority of parents view me as a sort of unintelligent servant. This is why I'm moving out of the profession. You people wonder why there are so many inexperienced young teachers who struggle with subject content? It's because you make the conditions of the job so miserable that anybody with options gets out.


you mean you have a masters. in a content area, not an MED which is a "real" masters. are you confusing MAT - also a real degree.

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Anonymous wrote:When I started twenty years ago, I could get my work done in 40 or 45 hours a week. I had balance.

I work 7 days a week now. It never ends. I’m always grading papers, responding to emails, and revising lessons. If I’m awake, I’m working or thinking about the work that needs to get done.

The demands of the job have grown exponentially.

As a parent, I also felt we have to enrich so much outside school. Somehow it is very exhausting to be parent in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting teacher threads are always filled with teachers claiming they work 60+ hours a week, but there's always a delay in grading, sending communication, etc. 🤔

You have no idea how much BS teachers have to deal with. Learning support meetings. Team meetings. Grade level meetings. Department meetings. Curriculum change meetings. Faculty professional development. If you're at a private school, teachers often have to run clubs, attend games and faculty events, and coach.

But that’s a lot of jobs even if the packaging is different. I work in a client facing job, and I have plenty of admin work, projects I am “voluntold” to work on, etc. what makes teachers so different or special?

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting teacher threads are always filled with teachers claiming they work 60+ hours a week, but there's always a delay in grading, sending communication, etc. 🤔

You have no idea how much BS teachers have to deal with. Learning support meetings. Team meetings. Grade level meetings. Department meetings. Curriculum change meetings. Faculty professional development. If you're at a private school, teachers often have to run clubs, attend games and faculty events, and coach.

But that’s a lot of jobs even if the packaging is different. I work in a client facing job, and I have plenty of admin work, projects I am “voluntold” to work on, etc. what makes teachers so different or special?

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting teacher threads are always filled with teachers claiming they work 60+ hours a week, but there's always a delay in grading, sending communication, etc. 🤔

You have no idea how much BS teachers have to deal with. Learning support meetings. Team meetings. Grade level meetings. Department meetings. Curriculum change meetings. Faculty professional development. If you're at a private school, teachers often have to run clubs, attend games and faculty events, and coach.

But that’s a lot of jobs even if the packaging is different. I work in a client facing job, and I have plenty of admin work, projects I am “voluntold” to work on, etc. what makes teachers so different or special?

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting teacher threads are always filled with teachers claiming they work 60+ hours a week, but there's always a delay in grading, sending communication, etc. 🤔

You have no idea how much BS teachers have to deal with. Learning support meetings. Team meetings. Grade level meetings. Department meetings. Curriculum change meetings. Faculty professional development. If you're at a private school, teachers often have to run clubs, attend games and faculty events, and coach.

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Anonymous wrote:The teachers aren’t well trained either. They present worksheets with incorrect spelling. They don’t know how to teach phonics. They are poor in math skills and even poorer in explaining concepts. They don’t understand higher level math and how they should be better supporting it. They don’t prepare kids adequately for the next grade. They are inexperienced and think that grabbing worksheets off TpT website is a best practice! I’ve not seen much creativity in the method of teaching in 9+ years.

I think this is correct, but I also think there are too many kids in a normal class that are quite literally incapable of learning at grade level and it sidetracks the whole class. I don’t know which problem came first

Anonymous wrote:Teaching seems like on the worst jobs right now. The kids suck, the parents suck, the pay sucks, the admin sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are teachers who truly love their work - but things are different than when we were kids...

the school schedule was more forgiving

there were no active shooter drills

IEPs are far more common and need attention

more moms work - there is less unpaid labor helping with making copies or setting up for events

kids are generally more tolerant of each other, but it's also easier to be a bully

attention spans are shorter

there's less respect for authority and less parental involvement

kids don't read as much as they did before

kindergarten is more like first grade, some school districts let kids start a year late, creating a divide in the early grades

it's easy to exploit young teachers who are more likely to leave teaching

and it goes on and on and on

the bolded are true everywhere but i am skeptical of the rest. that will all depend heavily on the district and the socioeconomic distribution. districts with mostly rich kids are very different from districts with mostly poor kids, and both are very different from districts with a uniform mixture across the strata.