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Strength train 5x week with the peloton app
Walk the dog on the trails every day
Root color every month
Pedicures in the summer
Forehead Botox 2x year
GLP-1
HRT
Adapalene
Sunscreen every day, drugstore makeup

Why are you on HRT at 43? I feel like so many women here are so extreme. All of this money and horseshit, baby Botox this and microdosing GLPs that and all of this fqing spending and bragging. And for what, be real.

I watch Slow Horses on Apple and because I was bored and watched it before, The Morning Show queued up for me. Both Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon are doing all of this sh!t and neither is technically Jocelyn Wildebstein and yet they both look strange, ugly, and cheap as hell next to Kristen Scott Thomas.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, you’re lashing out because you’re buying into it!

DP. You have poor logical and analytical skills.

Mmmkay. >> "I use Tret. I exercise. I have posted about fashion bloggers and recent purchases. And I still find these routines unsettling and self-defeating and if you post about it and some of you mock other women as “stinky” and “letting themselves go,” I’ll say whatever the F I want about it."

Indeed, I will say whatever the F I want about it, in any tone. Many thanks, girl.

It's all fine--whatever you do or don't do. You can do you without bashing others. Nobody is specifically competing with you and your tough guy act and doubling down is just sad.

The bashing started with some poster making fun of someone for being low maintenance. Get your sht together. Yes, other women in this cohort can wonder about the utility of all of this.

It’s a “buzz kill” if you don’t spend thousands and get to flounce around claiming your skin is comparatively whatever in middle age - that is innately a competitive arms race, do people really not see this?

It started with someone making fun of women who put chemicals on their face.

Wasn’t me, and again, it isn’t pitting women against each other to talk about the why and efficacy of that.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, you’re lashing out because you’re buying into it!

DP. You have poor logical and analytical skills.

Mmmkay. >> "I use Tret. I exercise. I have posted about fashion bloggers and recent purchases. And I still find these routines unsettling and self-defeating and if you post about it and some of you mock other women as “stinky” and “letting themselves go,” I’ll say whatever the F I want about it."

Indeed, I will say whatever the F I want about it, in any tone. Many thanks, girl.

It's all fine--whatever you do or don't do. You can do you without bashing others. Nobody is specifically competing with you and your tough guy act and doubling down is just sad.

The bashing started with some poster making fun of someone for being low maintenance. Get your sht together. Yes, other women in this cohort can wonder about the utility of all of this.

It’s a “buzz kill” if you don’t spend thousands and get to flounce around claiming your skin is comparatively whatever in middle age - that is innately a competitive arms race, do people really not see this?

It started with someone making fun of women who put chemicals on their face.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, you’re lashing out because you’re buying into it!

DP. You have poor logical and analytical skills.

Mmmkay. >> "I use Tret. I exercise. I have posted about fashion bloggers and recent purchases. And I still find these routines unsettling and self-defeating and if you post about it and some of you mock other women as “stinky” and “letting themselves go,” I’ll say whatever the F I want about it."

Indeed, I will say whatever the F I want about it, in any tone. Many thanks, girl.

It's all fine--whatever you do or don't do. You can do you without bashing others. Nobody is specifically competing with you and your tough guy act and doubling down is just sad.

The bashing started with some poster making fun of someone for being low maintenance. Get your sht together. Yes, other women in this cohort can wonder about the utility of all of this.

It’s a “buzz kill” if you don’t spend thousands and get to flounce around claiming your skin is comparatively whatever in middle age - that is innately a competitive arms race, do people really not see this?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, you’re lashing out because you’re buying into it!

DP. You have poor logical and analytical skills.

Mmmkay. >> "I use Tret. I exercise. I have posted about fashion bloggers and recent purchases. And I still find these routines unsettling and self-defeating and if you post about it and some of you mock other women as “stinky” and “letting themselves go,” I’ll say whatever the F I want about it."

Indeed, I will say whatever the F I want about it, in any tone. Many thanks, girl.

It's all fine--whatever you do or don't do. You can do you without bashing others. Nobody is specifically competing with you and your tough guy act and doubling down is just sad.

The bashing started with some poster making fun of someone for being low maintenance. Get your sht together. Yes, other women in this cohort can wonder about the utility of all of this.

It’s a “buzz kill” if you don’t spend thousands and get to flounce around claiming your skin is comparatively whatever in middle age - that is innately a competitive arms race, do people really not see this?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, you’re lashing out because you’re buying into it!

DP. You have poor logical and analytical skills.

Mmmkay. >> "I use Tret. I exercise. I have posted about fashion bloggers and recent purchases. And I still find these routines unsettling and self-defeating and if you post about it and some of you mock other women as “stinky” and “letting themselves go,” I’ll say whatever the F I want about it."

Indeed, I will say whatever the F I want about it, in any tone. Many thanks, girl.

It's all fine--whatever you do or don't do. You can do you without bashing others. Nobody is specifically competing with you and your tough guy act and doubling down is just sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people seem to be using Vitamin C serums. Does anyone have a specific brand recommendation?

18:25 PP
I have a biochem background (though a lawyer now) so I like to get into the weeds of ingredient/interactions/sourcing of different products, and have tried several. (Vitamin c serum helps with brightening/collagen production/anti ox protection and I find it to be a perfect complement to tretinoin). The most effective will be a L ascorbic acid or a derivative. The two I love are skinceuticals vitamin C (quite expensive) and Cerave (cheap drugstore). But of course with all products, ymmv. I also liked drunk elephant and Sunday Riley ok but neither was any better than cerave

NP. Thanks for posting this! Which moisturizers do you recommend?

Hi! I like talking about my skincare routine, haha. My specific skin concerns are fine lines around eyes, dullness and clogged pores. I use a combo of moisturizers to “plump” up my skin and to protect the skin barrier because of the active products I use. Tretinoin is the center of my routine and (alternating) I also use surface exfoliants: AHA acid (glycolic) to address texture/dullness and a BHA acid (salicylic) to address clogged pores. I use very gentle acids (caudalie brightening glycolic peel mask & Paula’s choice bha lotion exfoliant).

The moisturizers I use nightly (esp to address reactions to tretinoin) are:
-barrier serum: MA:NYO Bifida Biome Complex Ampoule Serum
-barrier moisturizer: AESTURA ATOBARRIER365 Cream with Ceramides
OR
-Skin Fix
-Also, when I first started using tret, or if I’ve been in the sun a lot that day, I use La Roche-Posay Cicaplast Balm B5, Healing Ointment

In the morning, I use:
-La Roche-Posay Toleriane Double Repair UV SPF Moisturizer
-cerave eye repair cream

Also, I still love the cerave peptide night cream and while it’s not as potent as what I’m using now, sometimes I’ll put the peptide cream on during the day if I’m WFH and taking a bathroom break, maybe that’s weird, anyways…

I don’t believe tret does anything - I’ve seen no changes on my middle aged face and it’s done nothing for my teen with acne. Why does everyone think it’s the magic elixir?

Because it is proven to prevent aging. But it's also playing the long game. My skin looks great in middle age in no small part because of tret but I've been on the tret, vitamin C, and religious use of high SPF sunscreen since middle sschool. You can't expect miracles starting that regime at 45.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, you’re lashing out because you’re buying into it!

DP. You have poor logical and analytical skills.

Mmmkay. >> "I use Tret. I exercise. I have posted about fashion bloggers and recent purchases. And I still find these routines unsettling and self-defeating and if you post about it and some of you mock other women as “stinky” and “letting themselves go,” I’ll say whatever the F I want about it."

Indeed, I will say whatever the F I want about it, in any tone. Many thanks, girl.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people seem to be using Vitamin C serums. Does anyone have a specific brand recommendation?

18:25 PP
I have a biochem background (though a lawyer now) so I like to get into the weeds of ingredient/interactions/sourcing of different products, and have tried several. (Vitamin c serum helps with brightening/collagen production/anti ox protection and I find it to be a perfect complement to tretinoin). The most effective will be a L ascorbic acid or a derivative. The two I love are skinceuticals vitamin C (quite expensive) and Cerave (cheap drugstore). But of course with all products, ymmv. I also liked drunk elephant and Sunday Riley ok but neither was any better than cerave

NP. Thanks for posting this! Which moisturizers do you recommend?

Hi! I like talking about my skincare routine, haha. My specific skin concerns are fine lines around eyes, dullness and clogged pores. I use a combo of moisturizers to “plump” up my skin and to protect the skin barrier because of the active products I use. Tretinoin is the center of my routine and (alternating) I also use surface exfoliants: AHA acid (glycolic) to address texture/dullness and a BHA acid (salicylic) to address clogged pores. I use very gentle acids (caudalie brightening glycolic peel mask & Paula’s choice bha lotion exfoliant).

The moisturizers I use nightly (esp to address reactions to tretinoin) are:
-barrier serum: MA:NYO Bifida Biome Complex Ampoule Serum
-barrier moisturizer: AESTURA ATOBARRIER365 Cream with Ceramides
OR
-Skin Fix
-Also, when I first started using tret, or if I’ve been in the sun a lot that day, I use La Roche-Posay Cicaplast Balm B5, Healing Ointment

In the morning, I use:
-La Roche-Posay Toleriane Double Repair UV SPF Moisturizer
-cerave eye repair cream

Also, I still love the cerave peptide night cream and while it’s not as potent as what I’m using now, sometimes I’ll put the peptide cream on during the day if I’m WFH and taking a bathroom break, maybe that’s weird, anyways…

I don’t believe tret does anything - I’ve seen no changes on my middle aged face and it’s done nothing for my teen with acne. Why does everyone think it’s the magic elixir?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, you’re lashing out because you’re buying into it!

DP. You have poor logical and analytical skills.

Mmmkay. >> "I use Tret. I exercise. I have posted about fashion bloggers and recent purchases. And I still find these routines unsettling and self-defeating and if you post about it and some of you mock other women as “stinky” and “letting themselves go,” I’ll say whatever the F I want about it."

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Strength train 5x week with the peloton app
Walk the dog on the trails every day
Root color every month
Pedicures in the summer
Forehead Botox 2x year
GLP-1
HRT
Adapalene
Sunscreen every day, drugstore makeup

Why are you on HRT at 43? I feel like so many women here are so extreme. All of this money and horseshit, baby Botox this and microdosing GLPs that and all of this fqing spending and bragging. And for what, be real.

I watch Slow Horses on Apple and because I was bored and watched it before, The Morning Show queued up for me. Both Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon are doing all of this sh!t and neither is technically Jocelyn Wildebstein and yet they both look strange, ugly, and cheap as hell next to Kristen Scott Thomas.

Stop pitting women against each other. If a woman does or doesn’t do anything it’s not a moral argument or representative of anything larger. It’s individual choices. Stop the madness.

DP It's a valid comparison, and I don't think the PP was making a moral judgement or pitting women against each other. I prefer watching actors male or female who look relatively normal, and it's relevant to the discussion to caution about using extreme measures in a losing battle against aging.

Well, she responded with “big girl” so doubling down on the misogyny is telling. She’s upholding the patriarchy as much as the others she believes are doing so because they use a skin serum.

I think you both need to ask yourselves why you need to insert your opinion here? People can think whatever they want, it’s in the sharing that makes it an agenda since the thread isn’t “what are your thoughts on beauty routines after 50?”

She also criticized HRT as nothing more than part of preposterous beauty regime, when the benefits include lowered incidence of osteoporosis which is a leading cause of death…fracture = hospital = reduced mobility and other infections like pneumonia.

Stop reading into things. I wrote that. What’s misogynistic about “big girl”? Did you also criticize the women who is sneering that if you don’t use these techniques, other women will wonder why they “let themselves go”?

I am on HRT. I see a menopause expert. I’ve had all of the conversations. I will never believe, ever, that a woman in her very early 40s without being kicked into surgical menopause via hysterectomy, had legitimate symptoms requiring HRT. I have PCOS, and so I’ve been in that space understanding endocrine issues for decades.

It is so fqn obnoxious to read these 800 step plans created by women to try best other women. To treat aging with something like your natural face like a failure. The idea that THAT is not upholding patriarchy is a fkn farce and if you have scannable brain activity, you should know that. I use Tret. I exercise. I have posted about fashion bloggers and recent purchases. And I still find these routines unsettling and self-defeating and if you post about it and some of you mock other women as “stinky” and “letting themselves go,” I’ll say whatever the F I want about it.

I’m not a big girl. I’m a woman. Stop infantilizing middle-aged women. You seem to have anger issues and think your way is the only way. Saying “women are letting themselves go” is also self-defeating, but she only said that after you doubled down.

Have a nice day! 👍🏻

Dp. I am the poster who was told they were letting themselves go- not the one you are responding to. I am the one said it’s okay to question what we’re all doing. Hardly anger issues or doubling down. But some people are very ugly on the inside and it spills out. Have a nice day as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, you’re lashing out because you’re buying into it!

DP. You have poor logical and analytical skills.