Anonymous wrote:When do we get to criticize these backwards Islam countries.

The breadth and depth historically, present day, lack of freedoms. Slavery entire countries dedicated to the slave trade. America had slavery, like a few rich whites owned some slaves. Christian abolitionists stopped the practice. They went to war to stop slavery. In the whole history of slavery when did an Islamist ever lift a finger to stop slavery? Modern day, there they killing people to build Qatar's world cup. When did they give up slavery in these countries 1960's or later. Probably even DeFacto today.

Anyone that is Islam that is commenting on American lack of freedom needs to have a mirror shattered in front of their face. I get Islam preaches certain ethics, but when have they have actually implemented them. Point to a culture where they did anything but behave like spineless peons. Islam is a very populous culture surely somewhere they treat workers with respect and dignity. Why would you come to this country for "religious freedom" then continue to practice Islam? I don't get it. My relatives from China were quick to adopt Christianity. It was like a bonus, Oh and they can go to church. I don't even go to church, that is what they wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious.

Denmark is a high trust society. mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse.

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom.

There are very few true atheists, but a lot of lazy people that don’t want to render unto God what is God’s.

Those people can live off the fruits of their forefathers for a time, but things decay over time.

What you perhaps actually like is to live off the accumulated social capital without having to do anything yourself to maintain it. Much like some people like to live off inherited wealth without having to work hard. That certainly can be appealing.

This is why I’m poking you to name a truly non-Christian nation that meets your definition of freedom. Because such a thing cannot exist without generations of Christians doing the hard work.

DP...I didn't have to look very far because Canada is a non-Christian nation that meets my definition of freedom.

They seem to be attempting to make the point that many free nations historically were founded by Christians, so they can only attribute their success to that and not other things like basic evolution of human intelligence, ability for empathy, and level of education. Ultimately it is a giant correlation argument. Nevermind that atheists are "lazy."

The hilarious part is that the ideals that make nations free, such as individual liberty, reason, natural rights, and freedom of the press, speech, and religion, came from Enlightenment thinkers. Who were fiercely opposed by Christians.

The enlightenment itself is the outcome of a Christian society and Christian beliefs, notably about truth.

I’m an atheist but it pretty undisputable that Christian morality and belief is the cornerstone to western civilization. I’m not looking forward to the day when our society inevitably becomes either completely repaganized; conquered by the Islamicists or technologists.

The Enlightenment was a critique of Christianity, not an outgrowth of it.

No, it wasnt. Much of early enlightenment “science” was sponsored by the Catholic Church. The enlightenment did not occur in an Islamic or Hindu or daoist society and this is not a coincidence.

The first university was established for Christian learning. Why? Because Christ’s isn’t solely for obedience to him (right sides interpretation) or empathy (progressive side interpretation) but truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

Japan has also been occupied by the USA, a Christian nation, who wrote their constitution for them. At least you tried.

The question was "[w]hat country that was never Christian do you consider free?" Sorry my answer was inconvenient for your parochial purposes. I hope your back doesn't hurt too much from moving the goalposts after you got an answer you didn't like.

Would you have called pre-occupation Japan free? How long do you think it will remain free after we leave?

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

Japan has also been occupied by the USA, a Christian nation, who wrote their constitution for them. At least you tried.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious.

Denmark is a high trust society. mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse.

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom.

There are very few true atheists, but a lot of lazy people that don’t want to render unto God what is God’s.

Those people can live off the fruits of their forefathers for a time, but things decay over time.

What you perhaps actually like is to live off the accumulated social capital without having to do anything yourself to maintain it. Much like some people like to live off inherited wealth without having to work hard. That certainly can be appealing.

This is why I’m poking you to name a truly non-Christian nation that meets your definition of freedom. Because such a thing cannot exist without generations of Christians doing the hard work.

DP...I didn't have to look very far because Canada is a non-Christian nation that meets my definition of freedom.

When would you say Canada became a non-Christian nation?

DP. It's in their constitution. From the founding, then.

The constitution provides for freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, and expression. Every individual is equal under the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination based on religion. The law imposes “reasonable limits” on the exercise of these religious rights only where such restrictions can be “demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” The law permits individuals to sue the government for violations of religious freedom. Federal and provincial human rights laws prohibit discrimination based on the grounds of religious belief. Civil remedies include compensation and changes to the policy or practice responsible for the discrimination.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/canada#:~:text=The%20constitution%20provides%20for%20freedom,without%20discrimination%20based%20on%20religion.

Their Constitution dates back to 1982, not the founding btw. They were founded as a Crown Colony, and the Crown is the head of the Anglican Church. So that's 200+ years of being an officially Christian nation, and 43 of being merely culturally Christian.

Once again, you people seem to really like formerly Christian nations that are frittering away their spiritual inheritance, much like one might befriend a trust-funder who spends his parents wealth. But we all know the shirt-tails to shirt-tails story.

And I'm still waiting for an example of a free nation without a deep Christian heritage.

Yes, Canada began as its own nation -- not as a colony of the British Empire -- with the patriation of its constitution. It has been an independent country since 1982.

If you wanted its history as a colony, you should have asked for that.

Please give it up, Canada is a member of the commonwealth for goodness sake.

Yes, but as its own nation, no longer as just a colony since patriation of its Constitution in 1982.

This is not hard.

Canada was not self-determining before 1982, and now it is. When do you think the USA started its history as a nation? Back while we were still a colony of the Brits? Come on.

Behold the atheist. Got something completely wrong and is now doubling down in the most cringe inducing manner rather than admit a fault. Atheistic morality requires one to string self-serving lies together to preserve your worldview.

Thank you for illustrating to anyone on the fence what it will be like if atheists ever take control of.

So what is the date of the USA beginning as a nation?

You’d save everyone a lot of trouble if you looked at Wikipedia before posting.

While you’re looking at it, look at a $20 CAD bill too. You can oddly even find examples printed before 1982.

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

Japan has also been occupied by the USA, a Christian nation, who wrote their constitution for them. At least you tried.

The question was "[w]hat country that was never Christian do you consider free?" Sorry my answer was inconvenient for your parochial purposes. I hope your back doesn't hurt too much from moving the goalposts after you got an answer you didn't like.

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

Japan has also been occupied by the USA, a Christian nation, who wrote their constitution for them. At least you tried.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious.

Denmark is a high trust society. mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse.

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom.

There are very few true atheists, but a lot of lazy people that don’t want to render unto God what is God’s.

Those people can live off the fruits of their forefathers for a time, but things decay over time.

What you perhaps actually like is to live off the accumulated social capital without having to do anything yourself to maintain it. Much like some people like to live off inherited wealth without having to work hard. That certainly can be appealing.

This is why I’m poking you to name a truly non-Christian nation that meets your definition of freedom. Because such a thing cannot exist without generations of Christians doing the hard work.

DP...I didn't have to look very far because Canada is a non-Christian nation that meets my definition of freedom.

When would you say Canada became a non-Christian nation?

DP. It's in their constitution. From the founding, then.

The constitution provides for freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, and expression. Every individual is equal under the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination based on religion. The law imposes “reasonable limits” on the exercise of these religious rights only where such restrictions can be “demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” The law permits individuals to sue the government for violations of religious freedom. Federal and provincial human rights laws prohibit discrimination based on the grounds of religious belief. Civil remedies include compensation and changes to the policy or practice responsible for the discrimination.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/canada#:~:text=The%20constitution%20provides%20for%20freedom,without%20discrimination%20based%20on%20religion.

Their Constitution dates back to 1982, not the founding btw. They were founded as a Crown Colony, and the Crown is the head of the Anglican Church. So that's 200+ years of being an officially Christian nation, and 43 of being merely culturally Christian.

Once again, you people seem to really like formerly Christian nations that are frittering away their spiritual inheritance, much like one might befriend a trust-funder who spends his parents wealth. But we all know the shirt-tails to shirt-tails story.

And I'm still waiting for an example of a free nation without a deep Christian heritage.

Yes, Canada began as its own nation -- not as a colony of the British Empire -- with the patriation of its constitution. It has been an independent country since 1982.

If you wanted its history as a colony, you should have asked for that.

Please give it up, Canada is a member of the commonwealth for goodness sake.

Yes, but as its own nation, no longer as just a colony since patriation of its Constitution in 1982.

This is not hard.

Canada was not self-determining before 1982, and now it is. When do you think the USA started its history as a nation? Back while we were still a colony of the Brits? Come on.

Behold the atheist. Got something completely wrong and is now doubling down in the most cringe inducing manner rather than admit a fault. Atheistic morality requires one to string self-serving lies together to preserve your worldview.

Thank you for illustrating to anyone on the fence what it will be like if atheists ever take control of.

So what is the date of the USA beginning as a nation?

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

Cato rates Japan as freer than the United States, or is Cato too woke and leftist for your kind ever since they published a report finding that politically-motivated violence is primarily a right-wing issue?

In any event, you can stop with the non sequiturs now that someone has held your hand and spoonfed you the information you were looking for.

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.

Try “not pushing” lgbtq on anyone in an Islamic country. What freedoms you take for granted are entirely dependent upon a Christian heritage.

Which brings me back to my original question. What country that was never Christian do you consider free?

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Anonymous wrote:Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious.

Denmark is a high trust society. mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse.

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom.

There are very few true atheists, but a lot of lazy people that don’t want to render unto God what is God’s.

Those people can live off the fruits of their forefathers for a time, but things decay over time.

What you perhaps actually like is to live off the accumulated social capital without having to do anything yourself to maintain it. Much like some people like to live off inherited wealth without having to work hard. That certainly can be appealing.

This is why I’m poking you to name a truly non-Christian nation that meets your definition of freedom. Because such a thing cannot exist without generations of Christians doing the hard work.

DP...I didn't have to look very far because Canada is a non-Christian nation that meets my definition of freedom.

When would you say Canada became a non-Christian nation?

DP. It's in their constitution. From the founding, then.

The constitution provides for freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, and expression. Every individual is equal under the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination based on religion. The law imposes “reasonable limits” on the exercise of these religious rights only where such restrictions can be “demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.” The law permits individuals to sue the government for violations of religious freedom. Federal and provincial human rights laws prohibit discrimination based on the grounds of religious belief. Civil remedies include compensation and changes to the policy or practice responsible for the discrimination.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-report-on-international-religious-freedom/canada#:~:text=The%20constitution%20provides%20for%20freedom,without%20discrimination%20based%20on%20religion.

Their Constitution dates back to 1982, not the founding btw. They were founded as a Crown Colony, and the Crown is the head of the Anglican Church. So that's 200+ years of being an officially Christian nation, and 43 of being merely culturally Christian.

Once again, you people seem to really like formerly Christian nations that are frittering away their spiritual inheritance, much like one might befriend a trust-funder who spends his parents wealth. But we all know the shirt-tails to shirt-tails story.

And I'm still waiting for an example of a free nation without a deep Christian heritage.

Yes, Canada began as its own nation -- not as a colony of the British Empire -- with the patriation of its constitution. It has been an independent country since 1982.

If you wanted its history as a colony, you should have asked for that.

Please give it up, Canada is a member of the commonwealth for goodness sake.

Yes, but as its own nation, no longer as just a colony since patriation of its Constitution in 1982.

This is not hard.

Canada was not self-determining before 1982, and now it is. When do you think the USA started its history as a nation? Back while we were still a colony of the Brits? Come on.

Behold the atheist. Got something completely wrong and is now doubling down in the most cringe inducing manner rather than admit a fault. Atheistic morality requires one to string self-serving lies together to preserve your worldview.

Thank you for illustrating to anyone on the fence what it will be like if atheists ever take control of.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweden, Denmark, high proportion atheist population. Not all of Europe is so religious.

Denmark is a high trust society. mostly because it is homogeneous.

https://www.helenrussell.co.uk/books/the-year-of-living-danishly/

now in the US diversity means 80% Indians in IT and a token white person.

but to progressives that is ok.

Australia, also high atheist population, also diverse.

You guys keep citing Christian countries. Where are your non-Christian examples? You know the places that never were Christian… Surely you must have at least one paradise where no one celebrates Christmas.

*Uh not really. Not if the majority of a country is atheist. It is more about FREE countries. With true religious freedom, there will probably be some celebration if Christmas and other religion holidays. We don't want forced atheism either. Just freedom.

There are very few true atheists, but a lot of lazy people that don’t want to render unto God what is God’s.

Those people can live off the fruits of their forefathers for a time, but things decay over time.

What you perhaps actually like is to live off the accumulated social capital without having to do anything yourself to maintain it. Much like some people like to live off inherited wealth without having to work hard. That certainly can be appealing.

This is why I’m poking you to name a truly non-Christian nation that meets your definition of freedom. Because such a thing cannot exist without generations of Christians doing the hard work.

DP...I didn't have to look very far because Canada is a non-Christian nation that meets my definition of freedom.

They seem to be attempting to make the point that many free nations historically were founded by Christians, so they can only attribute their success to that and not other things like basic evolution of human intelligence, ability for empathy, and level of education. Ultimately it is a giant correlation argument. Nevermind that atheists are "lazy."

The hilarious part is that the ideals that make nations free, such as individual liberty, reason, natural rights, and freedom of the press, speech, and religion, came from Enlightenment thinkers. Who were fiercely opposed by Christians.

The enlightenment itself is the outcome of a Christian society and Christian beliefs, notably about truth.

I’m an atheist but it pretty undisputable that Christian morality and belief is the cornerstone to western civilization. I’m not looking forward to the day when our society inevitably becomes either completely repaganized; conquered by the Islamicists or technologists.

The Enlightenment was a critique of Christianity, not an outgrowth of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Try pushing LGBTQ in an Islamic country and see how that works out for you. Write back.

Nobody is “pushing lgbtq” on anyone.