Agree that a D1 level player with those stats is a desirable commodity - but according to DCUM, athletes don’t have those stats and unfairly get into top schools where they don’t belong academically. Obviously this is wrong, but you will never convince them. (In my DD’s sport, the top recruit three years ago had a 1590 SAT and was an Olympian.)

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No athlete is accepted to a school junior year so the verbal commitments mean nothing.

Pretty sure coaches need approval from admissions to recruit. It means something; exactly what varies from school to school and with the recruit’s academic qualifications. The assumption on this thread is that athletes are stupid and have lower scores than traditional admits. Maybe in some sports, but not all

Most athletes are very smart and they have an amazing ability to balance academics and sports. I would hire a college athlete over one who wasn't any day.

And I have two college athletes. I laugh at the "I am going to Stanford to play some non-revenue sport" that is posted in September of Junior year. Recruiting has just started, coaches don't have the definite list they want to give to admissions and a lot can happen between Sept junior year and September senior year.

Also, recruits to top ranked schools usually meet the academic standards also.

Most of this post is pretty solid but this part is 100% wrong for D1 recruiting even at the high academic schools. Mine kid plays a non-revenue sport but had offers starting July of her Junior year. Continued to get more over the course of the year but schools go early and hard for their top recruits.

the coaches job is to recruit and they are ever changing the list when the kids are juniors.

Not for top recruits. My kid had somewhere between 15 and 20 offers had high academic D3 and mid-major D1 schools. She was sometimes given a deadline by some of the D1s but nobody dropped her for another kid without trying to get a commitment instead. Kids getting offers the first week of July are in the drivers seat.

sure.

7 NESCAC, 5 UAA Menu, MIT and multiple mid major D1. A D1 level player with a 1560 SAT is a pretty valuable prize we learned.

JHU, not menu

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No athlete is accepted to a school junior year so the verbal commitments mean nothing.

Pretty sure coaches need approval from admissions to recruit. It means something; exactly what varies from school to school and with the recruit’s academic qualifications. The assumption on this thread is that athletes are stupid and have lower scores than traditional admits. Maybe in some sports, but not all

Most athletes are very smart and they have an amazing ability to balance academics and sports. I would hire a college athlete over one who wasn't any day.

And I have two college athletes. I laugh at the "I am going to Stanford to play some non-revenue sport" that is posted in September of Junior year. Recruiting has just started, coaches don't have the definite list they want to give to admissions and a lot can happen between Sept junior year and September senior year.

Also, recruits to top ranked schools usually meet the academic standards also.

Most of this post is pretty solid but this part is 100% wrong for D1 recruiting even at the high academic schools. Mine kid plays a non-revenue sport but had offers starting July of her Junior year. Continued to get more over the course of the year but schools go early and hard for their top recruits.

the coaches job is to recruit and they are ever changing the list when the kids are juniors.

Not for top recruits. My kid had somewhere between 15 and 20 offers had high academic D3 and mid-major D1 schools. She was sometimes given a deadline by some of the D1s but nobody dropped her for another kid without trying to get a commitment instead. Kids getting offers the first week of July are in the drivers seat.

sure.

7 NESCAC, 5 UAA Menu, MIT and multiple mid major D1. A D1 level player with a 1560 SAT is a pretty valuable prize we learned.

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Anonymous wrote:I follow lacrosse and know some kids who play. Many of the top recruits who are currently juniors (i.e. just started junior year) have very publicly in the last few weeks declared where they are going - fancy IG posts, etc. I'm guessing they wouldn't be doing this unless they had an almost iron clad guarantee they were in (barring them totally screwing up academically). I'm almost sure the same applies for baseball. And likely some other sports.

It is a totally different process. And it is amazing to me that admissions is willing to commit to these kids so early. I'm a huge sports fan but this is really the tail wagging the dog. This is obviously the top, top kids I am referring to but it isn't just one or two it is still a lot.

But you know who has committed- Quincy Wilson- an Olympian. And ha ha on lacrosse being your gage of D1 sports.

He has not publicly posted a commitment.

I know all football offers and commits have already been made by both Harvard and Princeton. maybe rest of ivy league, I'm not sure.

I think revenue producing sports also done.

Anonymous wrote:DIII recruit for 26 school year. Kid received an email from admissions with decision and merit offer contingent on applying ED, and remaining in good academic standing,

This kid is a senior. Offer came in this summer.

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Anonymous wrote:I follow lacrosse and know some kids who play. Many of the top recruits who are currently juniors (i.e. just started junior year) have very publicly in the last few weeks declared where they are going - fancy IG posts, etc. I'm guessing they wouldn't be doing this unless they had an almost iron clad guarantee they were in (barring them totally screwing up academically). I'm almost sure the same applies for baseball. And likely some other sports.

It is a totally different process. And it is amazing to me that admissions is willing to commit to these kids so early. I'm a huge sports fan but this is really the tail wagging the dog. This is obviously the top, top kids I am referring to but it isn't just one or two it is still a lot.

I think these kids just want attention so they are showing off by announcing before it's official. They just want a lot of likes and "congrats bro" comments and "you did it!". They need affirmation. Competitive sports will rewire your brain to need/crave rewards.

Exactly!

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Anonymous wrote:when seniors post where they're going after ED and RD acceptances come out, do DCUMers come on here and go off, THEY COULD HAVE THEIR OFFERS RESCINDED AT ANY TIME, HOW DARE THEY POST THIS ON THEIR SOCIALS etc etc

Senior athletes already know. They've known for 6 months plus. Some juniors know.

I am happy for athletes to post when they are seniors. Before then- it is not real.

Everyone here is so darn simplistic and thinks everything is binary. There are shades of gray. I’m the lax fan poster above. As I noted but everyone chose to ignore in their rush to show what smart contrarians they are, the offers can be withdrawn under various conditions. I’m not 100% sure what those conditions are. One would think there is a poster here who could better specify.

But I do know kids who went public with their commitments early in junior year. And trust me, these are not kids and families who would just do this for bragging rights and giggles. They have decent assurances (but again, not a 100% guarantee) that they will be accepted ED. I’m not sure why this is so hard for people to process. These are lax players going to UNC, Syracuse, Duke, etc. As someone intelligently said, if schools started reneging on these promises for no good reason, word would spread very quickly and it would kill the program.

So many self-proclaimed experts here who don’t understand the concept of nuance.

Anonymous wrote:when seniors post where they're going after ED and RD acceptances come out, do DCUMers come on here and go off, THEY COULD HAVE THEIR OFFERS RESCINDED AT ANY TIME, HOW DARE THEY POST THIS ON THEIR SOCIALS etc etc

Senior athletes already know. They've known for 6 months plus. Some juniors know.

I am happy for athletes to post when they are seniors. Before then- it is not real.

when seniors post where they're going after ED and RD acceptances come out, do DCUMers come on here and go off, THEY COULD HAVE THEIR OFFERS RESCINDED AT ANY TIME, HOW DARE THEY POST THIS ON THEIR SOCIALS etc etc

Senior athletes already know. They've known for 6 months plus. Some juniors know.

Anonymous wrote:I have ocean front property in Arizona for sale too.

Parents and teenagers post dumb stuff

As demonstrated by you. What a dumb post.

Anonymous wrote:I follow lacrosse and know some kids who play. Many of the top recruits who are currently juniors (i.e. just started junior year) have very publicly in the last few weeks declared where they are going - fancy IG posts, etc. I'm guessing they wouldn't be doing this unless they had an almost iron clad guarantee they were in (barring them totally screwing up academically). I'm almost sure the same applies for baseball. And likely some other sports.

It is a totally different process. And it is amazing to me that admissions is willing to commit to these kids so early. I'm a huge sports fan but this is really the tail wagging the dog. This is obviously the top, top kids I am referring to but it isn't just one or two it is still a lot.

They have "committed" to the school, they are not "admitted" until Fall of their senior year. They can still be rejected if they change their senior year classes to something less rigorous than agreed upon, or have a disciplinary issue, or their sport gets cut by the school, etc. There is nothing in writing. The coach has committed to give them a roster spot, and admissions has pre-read their transcripts and SATs (and sometimes required an essay/writing sample and list of other ECs) to validate they are admissible.

So the students were cleared by admissions, but there is no contract, either side can break the commitment and the only thing at stake are reputations. Kids won't commit to a school that has a reputation for reneging on offers, and other coaches aren't interested in recruits that have backed out of a commitment. Both do happen tho.

Coaches love their recruits to post publicly because it tells other coaches to back off, and the kid feels more social pressure to follow through on their commitment. Even though no guarantees have been made in writing. Have you noticed that the schools don’t post that a recruit has been signed a year in advance?

Anonymous wrote:I follow lacrosse and know some kids who play. Many of the top recruits who are currently juniors (i.e. just started junior year) have very publicly in the last few weeks declared where they are going - fancy IG posts, etc. I'm guessing they wouldn't be doing this unless they had an almost iron clad guarantee they were in (barring them totally screwing up academically). I'm almost sure the same applies for baseball. And likely some other sports.

It is a totally different process. And it is amazing to me that admissions is willing to commit to these kids so early. I'm a huge sports fan but this is really the tail wagging the dog. This is obviously the top, top kids I am referring to but it isn't just one or two it is still a lot.

I think these kids just want attention so they are showing off by announcing before it's official. They just want a lot of likes and "congrats bro" comments and "you did it!". They need affirmation. Competitive sports will rewire your brain to need/crave rewards.

Anonymous wrote:I follow lacrosse and know some kids who play. Many of the top recruits who are currently juniors (i.e. just started junior year) have very publicly in the last few weeks declared where they are going - fancy IG posts, etc. I'm guessing they wouldn't be doing this unless they had an almost iron clad guarantee they were in (barring them totally screwing up academically). I'm almost sure the same applies for baseball. And likely some other sports.

It is a totally different process. And it is amazing to me that admissions is willing to commit to these kids so early. I'm a huge sports fan but this is really the tail wagging the dog. This is obviously the top, top kids I am referring to but it isn't just one or two it is still a lot.

But you know who has committed- Quincy Wilson- an Olympian. And ha ha on lacrosse being your gage of D1 sports.

I have ocean front property in Arizona for sale too.

Parents and teenagers post dumb stuff