Anonymous wrote:Why not add AAP to all elementary schools too? The Board said kids reach different levels of learning throughout their lives and should have opportunities available to them so then shouldn’t you have AAP at all elementary schools by that logic? Especially considering they spend 7 years in elementary versus just 2 in middle? Why isn’t bussing an issue at the elementary level too, why only at the middle school level?

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Nearly every single kid getting busted to a middle school AAP center will still need to ride a bus to their base middle school.

Putting AAP at every middle school will have minimal to zero effect on busses.

Disagree:

Few of those buses are overflowing. It will definitely cut the number of buses.
Most of those being bused to AAP centers out of their boundary are going longer distances. Longer distances require more buses because of the time required --in other words, they are not as able to take another run. And, it is greater gas expense.

No, it won't.

Those kids will still be on crowded busses, just going to a different school.

It will make no notable difference to the buss costs or crowded busses to put AAP at every middle school.

Most middle school students live outside of the walk zone, whether or not the school is an AAP center.

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Nearly every single kid getting busted to a middle school AAP center will still need to ride a bus to their base middle school.

Putting AAP at every middle school will have minimal to zero effect on busses.

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Few of those buses are overflowing. It will definitely cut the number of buses.
Most of those being bused to AAP centers out of their boundary are going longer distances. Longer distances require more buses because of the time required --in other words, they are not as able to take another run. And, it is greater gas expense.

Nearly every single kid getting busted to a middle school AAP center will still need to ride a bus to their base middle school.

Putting AAP at every middle school will have minimal to zero effect on busses.

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Anonymous wrote:Does this mean that we will have enough busses to scrap the awful start time survey options they've sent out???

No, that’s what the idiots don’t understand. Eliminating busing to AAP centers won’t really help at all.

Of course, it will help. We have multiple buses running through my neighborhood for middle school. Lots of neighborhoods have this. They should do the same with elementary schools, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Does this mean that we will have enough busses to scrap the awful start time survey options they've sent out???

No, that’s what the idiots don’t understand. Eliminating busing to AAP centers won’t really help at all.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t have a full list, but Robinson has no AAP program.

Anonymous wrote:What middle schools do not currently offer some sort of AAP program? Chat GPT is failing me. I was hoping this could be done in one fell swoop along with the boundary changes, but with Reid mentioning a multi yea process, I assume those would be last to implement.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Plus, once you get to HS, it truly is Honors for all! Or at least, honors for all who want it...

Yes and the difference from AAP middle school is staggering. We are back to unfocused, shouldn’t be there trouble makers even in honors classes in high school because it’s open enrollment. AAP classes in middle school were amazing. Honors classes in high school are a complete joke. You have to actually get to the AP level to weed out losers which sucks. AAP was nice. Wish they still have it in HS.

Wow.

I’m sure the apple fall far from the tree with the kid(s) of that parent. Karma may come back to bite them when AI replaces the positions for which they groomed their children so carefully.

Don’t worry. AI will also replace your kids jobs too. Barista, fry cook and Uber driver.

Nah my kids will have soft skills and connections to lean on. Unlike your socially stunted offspring.

Just make sure your kid leaves room for cream and sugar in my coffee. Thanks in advance.

I bet more than one person has spit in the coffee you ordered.

Just like how God spit on your life.

All good here! Sorry you’re mad that the rest of the world doesn’t think your kids are as special as you believe them to be. Make sure you link them up with a good therapist so they can work through the issues you created for them.

No one is mad here. Just make sure your kid gets my drive through order right and we’ll be all good honey.

In case you haven't noticed, elitists like you are getting your comeuppance right now. Hope you're enjoying the environment you helped create.

Just tell your kids to make my coffee great again!

Have you been tracking the unemployment data for college educated people? My kids are young and have time to ride out the storm. Yours are much more likely to be making my coffee in the near future.

The only way my kids would serve food or drink to yours is if they volunteered in soup kitchen for vagrants.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Why are people so bothered by MS center schools? What’s it to you if AAP kids choose to go to a center school over the local? It has no effect on your kid.

Not true in some cases. Take Lewis for example. Kids leave the pyramid for AAP middle school and then frequently transfer for high school (like at LBSS). This robs Lewis of high performing students and thus impacts the advanced courses Lewis can offer.

It is not an AAP kid’s job to create opportunity for non-AAP students. That is the job of FCPS. If you want better programming, you need to ask the county to provide it. Another student shouldn’t have to compromise on their education to trick FCPS into offering better programming.

Your kid can still have access to AAP if they offer it at every middle school. You aren’t owed a massive AAP center that is fed by three or four middle schools.

Why does it matter to you? Why so bothered?

I am going to guess you're a parent whose kid will go to Franklin instead of Carson if they put AAP at all middle schools. Why so worried? If there is an AAP program at Franklin your kid will be with many of their peers from Navy. Why should you get a choice to optimize your kid's education without having to move to a new home, that others do not get?

If that's the case, that a parent is concerned about sending their child to Franklin instead of Carson, they shouldn't worry. I sent kids through AAP programs at both Carson and Franklin, and we were significantly more impressed with Franklin's program than Carson's. There is nothing to worry about.

That’s funny. I had one at Carson and one at Franklin. Franklin was a complete joke. The teachers are not good, they don’t use best practice, and it’s completely unorganized. Not to mention the pathetic after school program.

You had that experience with Franklin's AAP program? I'm shocked. The AAP teachers, especially History 7, Algebra I Honors, English 7, and Geometry Honors are very good and they for sure used best practice. I also wouldn't call any of those teachers disorganized. In fact, my AAP kids learned good organizational skills from their History 7, English 7, and Algebra teachers in 7th grade.

+1. DD is currently at Franklin and her teachers are absolutely phenomenal.

I may be wrong but I believe the boundary proposals stated that Franklin would be severely over capacity if the boundary changes went thru as is. It’s currently at 95% and if everyone returned to the base school it would be at 131% or so. Maybe they will shift some kids out of Franklin to make room? Otherwise I don’t see Carson kids getting absorbed easily.

No I think you're wrong. Franklin is at 80-something. Plenty of room for the Carson kids.

The initial boundary review did identify and state that adding everyone back to their base school would put Franklin at 131%. It states it would be over capacity by a volume that isn’t acceptable to the county. They may have to shift some Franklin kids to Rocky Run or Luther Jackson to make room for Carson kids returning.

Wouldn't be hard to do. Kids on other side of 50 could easily go to RR.

A bunch could be shifted to Luther Jackson too. Kids on Waple Mills side.

They would not be sent to Jackson. Oakton AAP kids would go to Thoreau, Carson, or Franklin. Waples Mill would be a distant attendance island to Jackson.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Why are people so bothered by MS center schools? What’s it to you if AAP kids choose to go to a center school over the local? It has no effect on your kid.

Not true in some cases. Take Lewis for example. Kids leave the pyramid for AAP middle school and then frequently transfer for high school (like at LBSS). This robs Lewis of high performing students and thus impacts the advanced courses Lewis can offer.

It is not an AAP kid’s job to create opportunity for non-AAP students. That is the job of FCPS. If you want better programming, you need to ask the county to provide it. Another student shouldn’t have to compromise on their education to trick FCPS into offering better programming.

Your kid can still have access to AAP if they offer it at every middle school. You aren’t owed a massive AAP center that is fed by three or four middle schools.

Why does it matter to you? Why so bothered?

I am going to guess you're a parent whose kid will go to Franklin instead of Carson if they put AAP at all middle schools. Why so worried? If there is an AAP program at Franklin your kid will be with many of their peers from Navy. Why should you get a choice to optimize your kid's education without having to move to a new home, that others do not get?

If that's the case, that a parent is concerned about sending their child to Franklin instead of Carson, they shouldn't worry. I sent kids through AAP programs at both Carson and Franklin, and we were significantly more impressed with Franklin's program than Carson's. There is nothing to worry about.

That’s funny. I had one at Carson and one at Franklin. Franklin was a complete joke. The teachers are not good, they don’t use best practice, and it’s completely unorganized. Not to mention the pathetic after school program.

You had that experience with Franklin's AAP program? I'm shocked. The AAP teachers, especially History 7, Algebra I Honors, English 7, and Geometry Honors are very good and they for sure used best practice. I also wouldn't call any of those teachers disorganized. In fact, my AAP kids learned good organizational skills from their History 7, English 7, and Algebra teachers in 7th grade.

+1. DD is currently at Franklin and her teachers are absolutely phenomenal.

I may be wrong but I believe the boundary proposals stated that Franklin would be severely over capacity if the boundary changes went thru as is. It’s currently at 95% and if everyone returned to the base school it would be at 131% or so. Maybe they will shift some kids out of Franklin to make room? Otherwise I don’t see Carson kids getting absorbed easily.

No I think you're wrong. Franklin is at 80-something. Plenty of room for the Carson kids.

The initial boundary review did identify and state that adding everyone back to their base school would put Franklin at 131%. It states it would be over capacity by a volume that isn’t acceptable to the county. They may have to shift some Franklin kids to Rocky Run or Luther Jackson to make room for Carson kids returning.

Wouldn't be hard to do. Kids on other side of 50 could easily go to RR.

A bunch could be shifted to Luther Jackson too. Kids on Waple Mills side.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Why are people so bothered by MS center schools? What’s it to you if AAP kids choose to go to a center school over the local? It has no effect on your kid.

Not true in some cases. Take Lewis for example. Kids leave the pyramid for AAP middle school and then frequently transfer for high school (like at LBSS). This robs Lewis of high performing students and thus impacts the advanced courses Lewis can offer.

It is not an AAP kid’s job to create opportunity for non-AAP students. That is the job of FCPS. If you want better programming, you need to ask the county to provide it. Another student shouldn’t have to compromise on their education to trick FCPS into offering better programming.

Your kid can still have access to AAP if they offer it at every middle school. You aren’t owed a massive AAP center that is fed by three or four middle schools.

Why does it matter to you? Why so bothered?

I am going to guess you're a parent whose kid will go to Franklin instead of Carson if they put AAP at all middle schools. Why so worried? If there is an AAP program at Franklin your kid will be with many of their peers from Navy. Why should you get a choice to optimize your kid's education without having to move to a new home, that others do not get?

If that's the case, that a parent is concerned about sending their child to Franklin instead of Carson, they shouldn't worry. I sent kids through AAP programs at both Carson and Franklin, and we were significantly more impressed with Franklin's program than Carson's. There is nothing to worry about.

That’s funny. I had one at Carson and one at Franklin. Franklin was a complete joke. The teachers are not good, they don’t use best practice, and it’s completely unorganized. Not to mention the pathetic after school program.

You had that experience with Franklin's AAP program? I'm shocked. The AAP teachers, especially History 7, Algebra I Honors, English 7, and Geometry Honors are very good and they for sure used best practice. I also wouldn't call any of those teachers disorganized. In fact, my AAP kids learned good organizational skills from their History 7, English 7, and Algebra teachers in 7th grade.

+1. DD is currently at Franklin and her teachers are absolutely phenomenal.

I may be wrong but I believe the boundary proposals stated that Franklin would be severely over capacity if the boundary changes went thru as is. It’s currently at 95% and if everyone returned to the base school it would be at 131% or so. Maybe they will shift some kids out of Franklin to make room? Otherwise I don’t see Carson kids getting absorbed easily.

No I think you're wrong. Franklin is at 80-something. Plenty of room for the Carson kids.

The initial boundary review did identify and state that adding everyone back to their base school would put Franklin at 131%. It states it would be over capacity by a volume that isn’t acceptable to the county. They may have to shift some Franklin kids to Rocky Run or Luther Jackson to make room for Carson kids returning.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Why are people so bothered by MS center schools? What’s it to you if AAP kids choose to go to a center school over the local? It has no effect on your kid.

Not true in some cases. Take Lewis for example. Kids leave the pyramid for AAP middle school and then frequently transfer for high school (like at LBSS). This robs Lewis of high performing students and thus impacts the advanced courses Lewis can offer.

It is not an AAP kid’s job to create opportunity for non-AAP students. That is the job of FCPS. If you want better programming, you need to ask the county to provide it. Another student shouldn’t have to compromise on their education to trick FCPS into offering better programming.

Your kid can still have access to AAP if they offer it at every middle school. You aren’t owed a massive AAP center that is fed by three or four middle schools.

Why does it matter to you? Why so bothered?

I am going to guess you're a parent whose kid will go to Franklin instead of Carson if they put AAP at all middle schools. Why so worried? If there is an AAP program at Franklin your kid will be with many of their peers from Navy. Why should you get a choice to optimize your kid's education without having to move to a new home, that others do not get?

If that's the case, that a parent is concerned about sending their child to Franklin instead of Carson, they shouldn't worry. I sent kids through AAP programs at both Carson and Franklin, and we were significantly more impressed with Franklin's program than Carson's. There is nothing to worry about.

That’s funny. I had one at Carson and one at Franklin. Franklin was a complete joke. The teachers are not good, they don’t use best practice, and it’s completely unorganized. Not to mention the pathetic after school program.

You had that experience with Franklin's AAP program? I'm shocked. The AAP teachers, especially History 7, Algebra I Honors, English 7, and Geometry Honors are very good and they for sure used best practice. I also wouldn't call any of those teachers disorganized. In fact, my AAP kids learned good organizational skills from their History 7, English 7, and Algebra teachers in 7th grade.

+1. DD is currently at Franklin and her teachers are absolutely phenomenal.

I may be wrong but I believe the boundary proposals stated that Franklin would be severely over capacity if the boundary changes went thru as is. It’s currently at 95% and if everyone returned to the base school it would be at 131% or so. Maybe they will shift some kids out of Franklin to make room? Otherwise I don’t see Carson kids getting absorbed easily.

No I think you're wrong. Franklin is at 80-something. Plenty of room for the Carson kids.

The initial boundary review did identify and state that adding everyone back to their base school would put Franklin at 131%. It states it would be over capacity by a volume that isn’t acceptable to the county. They may have to shift some Franklin kids to Rocky Run or Luther Jackson to make room for Carson kids returning.

Wouldn't be hard to do. Kids on other side of 50 could easily go to RR.

A bunch could be shifted to Luther Jackson too. Kids on Waple Mills side.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems to me that if every middle school can send kids to TJ, then every middle school should be able to offer AAP.

Not that straightforward because certain courses require certain requirements. For example, a random teacher can’t just teach algebra and geometry (which is why algebra in 6th grade is crazy). You need a math endorsement from VDOE. Some local schools may not have the staff with those requirements.

I believe every MS has math teachers for Algebra 1 and most have a teacher for Geometry but those classes are not AAP classes.

But there are schools that do not have enough AAP students to offer AAP classes so the AAP kids are in honors classes. Center schools can offer AAP classes because they have more students and can offer multiple AAP classes in LA, Social Studies, and Science to meet the scheduling needs of the AAP kids at the school.

Some people will tell you that the honors courses are teaching the same material as the AAP courses, some people will tell you that the AAP courses go a bit more in depth. At a Center school, AAP kids will only be in classes with other AAP kids. Parents send their kids to the Center because they think the peer group is stronger and they don't like the open enrollment in Honors classes.

Every MS should hve enough kids who were selected for AAP that they have enough kids to fill out multiple sections of the 3 core AAP classes. There really isn't a need for MS Centers.

Why are people so bothered by MS center schools? What’s it to you if AAP kids choose to go to a center school over the local? It has no effect on your kid.

Not true in some cases. Take Lewis for example. Kids leave the pyramid for AAP middle school and then frequently transfer for high school (like at LBSS). This robs Lewis of high performing students and thus impacts the advanced courses Lewis can offer.

It is not an AAP kid’s job to create opportunity for non-AAP students. That is the job of FCPS. If you want better programming, you need to ask the county to provide it. Another student shouldn’t have to compromise on their education to trick FCPS into offering better programming.

Your kid can still have access to AAP if they offer it at every middle school. You aren’t owed a massive AAP center that is fed by three or four middle schools.

Why does it matter to you? Why so bothered?

I am going to guess you're a parent whose kid will go to Franklin instead of Carson if they put AAP at all middle schools. Why so worried? If there is an AAP program at Franklin your kid will be with many of their peers from Navy. Why should you get a choice to optimize your kid's education without having to move to a new home, that others do not get?

If that's the case, that a parent is concerned about sending their child to Franklin instead of Carson, they shouldn't worry. I sent kids through AAP programs at both Carson and Franklin, and we were significantly more impressed with Franklin's program than Carson's. There is nothing to worry about.

That’s funny. I had one at Carson and one at Franklin. Franklin was a complete joke. The teachers are not good, they don’t use best practice, and it’s completely unorganized. Not to mention the pathetic after school program.

You had that experience with Franklin's AAP program? I'm shocked. The AAP teachers, especially History 7, Algebra I Honors, English 7, and Geometry Honors are very good and they for sure used best practice. I also wouldn't call any of those teachers disorganized. In fact, my AAP kids learned good organizational skills from their History 7, English 7, and Algebra teachers in 7th grade.

+1. DD is currently at Franklin and her teachers are absolutely phenomenal.

I may be wrong but I believe the boundary proposals stated that Franklin would be severely over capacity if the boundary changes went thru as is. It’s currently at 95% and if everyone returned to the base school it would be at 131% or so. Maybe they will shift some kids out of Franklin to make room? Otherwise I don’t see Carson kids getting absorbed easily.

No I think you're wrong. Franklin is at 80-something. Plenty of room for the Carson kids.

The initial boundary review did identify and state that adding everyone back to their base school would put Franklin at 131%. It states it would be over capacity by a volume that isn’t acceptable to the county. They may have to shift some Franklin kids to Rocky Run or Luther Jackson to make room for Carson kids returning.

Wouldn't be hard to do. Kids on other side of 50 could easily go to RR.